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21 Apr 2015 @ 12:39:10 pm
paddyandpaul
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A few years ago I camped/travelled around New Zealand with a small camper van for 2 weeks and about 18 years ago for 3 months with a bedford van kitted out with bed and curtains. I also camped in Australia for the 9 months I stayed there and travelled week ends in a Toyota Lite Ace I kitted out with bed and curtains.
From my experience I found it rather convenient that most campsites had a kitchen with stoves, basins and fridges for communal use sometimes with tables and a sitting area. Admittedly the campsites were a lot smaller than what we are generally used to here but certainly for someone with a small camper van without awning and a cylinder and hot plate only to cook with at the back of the van, the kitchen was a Godsend.It was also a great way to meet other campers and chat. The minority of campers here camp from a van or small tent and most campers are well kitted out for cooking, but for youngsters starting out it costs to get set up.
Do you think it would be a good idea for caravan parks to have kitchens with facilities or do you think it would encourage the wrong elements, or are people here not responsable enough to keep a facility like that clean and not abuse it?
Try and keep it simple
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21 Apr 2015 @ 12:48:01 pm
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The game park is rigged out with kitchens and hot water i find it helpfulllaughing

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21 Apr 2015 @ 12:49:56 pm
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Paul agree wiht you allso enjou sites with  private  kitchen and ablutions but can everybody afford them

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21 Apr 2015 @ 12:51:16 pm
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Hi Paul,

I think your last paragraph answers the question. Some people can not even clean a basin after they have shaved or flush a toilet.

Just my 2c

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Philip
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21 Apr 2015 @ 13:02:10 pm
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I vote no...

Push costs up.

 

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21 Apr 2015 @ 13:40:35 pm
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Unfortunately, Philip is correct.
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21 Apr 2015 @ 13:54:33 pm
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Have all my own stuff so dont need one just my 2c

"Nou gaan ons braai!!!! Kamp met oorgawe!!!!"
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21 Apr 2015 @ 14:02:24 pm
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Warren gedink jy gaan dit se maar daar is ander wat nie met min kan klaar kom nie en wees tog maar eerlik dis darem lekker om bederf te word

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21 Apr 2015 @ 14:06:00 pm
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Campsite owners may consider doing something like this on a user-pay system. However, is there really a need for it? Our camping culture differs from that in other countries. I do not want to go to a communal kitchen to heat up soup and make tea. I want to braai at my own campsite with a few beers.

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21 Apr 2015 @ 14:13:54 pm
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Nes jy daar se Hans ek dink in ons kamp kultuur will ons eerder op ons eie braai en kos maak as saam met ander mense

"Nou gaan ons braai!!!! Kamp met oorgawe!!!!"
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21 Apr 2015 @ 14:49:25 pm
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What Paul (paddyand paul) is getting at, is not necessary for us guys that are kitted out with all our camping essentials, but very much for the camper travelling light or even for the International tourist. Paul is not referring to a facility (camp kitchen) to be used by us, the weekend, long weekend or holiday campers, but by those campers “on the go”.

Even at times we are “on the go” towing long distance and need to stop over night. No need to unpack, set up kitchen, tables ‘n chairs etc. – a camp kitchen set up properly will be of benefit.

I am personally a great advocate of the camp kitchen concept. If set up properly, not half measure like in the Kruger or National parks, but with stove, hot water facility for tea or coffee, wash up, refrigeration and seating. (Tables & chairs.) Very important, tables & chairs. Campers camping out of their car boots, back packers and or those travelling with the barest minimum of equipment, will definitely require better cooking and “sit down to eat” facilities as provided in Australia and New Zealand camp sites. We really do not have these facilities in South Africa.

If these facilities were provided at more and more camp sites (caravan parks), this would attract more custom. Especially the International traveler/camper or “on the go” camper would welcome these facilities.

This is a photo of a camp kitchen at one of the "Big 4 Holiday Resorts" franchise in Australia. Look at the facilities inside the kitchen! Very impressive.

 

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21 Apr 2015 @ 14:58:13 pm
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Willie  i agree with you its a very nice idea but it won't work in SA there is to mutch crime and vandalism around

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21 Apr 2015 @ 15:05:49 pm
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Stef - don't they have crime or vandalism in Australia?

Some more Camp Kitchen photos from my collection.

Regards.
This is how we spent the last fifteen years - working our buts off!
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21 Apr 2015 @ 15:09:57 pm
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@ Willie....

Thanks for explaining the concept, I had it wrong, I was thinking each site / selected sites have a kitchen....

I like touring holidays.... But I'm kitted for me, and I travel alone, so my outdoorsing is somewhat different from everybody else, I just stealth camp....

Something to think about..... 

@ Chamelion... True that....

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21 Apr 2015 @ 15:18:05 pm
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Willie,

Looks that is not just BRAAIVLEIS and BARBEQUE Thats different but also CAMPING and CAMPING.
For me it will work very good, because I can then leave the mother-in-law at home. (Might even conssider the wife) LOL
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21 Apr 2015 @ 15:41:58 pm
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I think it would be perfect for the backpacker or camper passing through. But the people using it must be educated, what you bring with, you take with when you leave. We would be camping in and around our home on wheels. That is the reason we do camping, to enjoy the outdoors.
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21 Apr 2015 @ 18:49:39 pm
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Already a mission to clean the sink before I can wash my dishes at camp sites. Sorry, if they have it, I won't use it.
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21 Apr 2015 @ 19:31:33 pm
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I vote for a facility, even the camp kitchens in Kruger are fine, we don't use the stove, but wash up sinks, are a blessing. Same with laundry, pretty handy.
Maybe a caravaner wont appreciate it as much as a backpacker, I've seen them cook their meals in empty baked bean tinns in Kruger,s kitchens.
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21 Apr 2015 @ 20:45:53 pm
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Personally I dont want or need such a facility.. the only building we want within reasonable walking distance is ablution block, rest we prefer trees, grass and open campsites

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21 Apr 2015 @ 21:02:39 pm
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Interesting concept
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22 Apr 2015 @ 07:04:22 am
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Ek stem saam met Andre, dit vat die kamp uit kampeer, mens het net 'n skoon ablusie blok nodig. Al die jare met 'n tent gekamp, geen luukse soos met die karavaan nie, pak plek was ook beperk, so jy moet maar plan maak. Ek sal dit enige tyd weer doen
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22 Apr 2015 @ 07:08:24 am
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I would vote yes. I will not use it though, but I am sure it will serve its purpose for some campers. 

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22 Apr 2015 @ 07:37:31 am
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People in Aus and NZ are more educated and concerned for their fellow beings as a whole, and people do follow rules set down for society. This is why I asked the questions, as I am not too sure how something like this would work in SA as we do have a bit of culture of a free for all attitude. But with the labour we do have at camp sites I believe the better parks could keep the facilities clean. The pictures Willie showed with cooking utensils available would certainly not work here, they would dissapear or be lost on the first day.
I sometimes would like to go back to the simple camper concept but without the camp kitchen would end up getting as complicated and involved with gear as I now camp.
Try and keep it simple
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22 Apr 2015 @ 09:30:49 am
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Dit maak dit net makliker vir die ou wat met n tent en met die minimum kamp innie bos maak jy n plan
Haak daai wa kamp bly koning
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22 Apr 2015 @ 10:29:45 am
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Willie....

When it comes to pictures.... Truly you are my mentor.. I stand in awe...laughing

Anyhow, What could ever be wrong with this "camp kitchen"?

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22 Apr 2015 @ 10:37:36 am
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EEK!surprised

avent a kooking clue what happened here...laughinglaughing

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22 Apr 2015 @ 10:59:45 am
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In AUS en NZ noem hulle dit survivor in SA noem ons dit kampering
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22 Apr 2015 @ 12:00:59 pm
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Yes Warren - EEK!

I've fixed it!

Regards.
This is how we spent the last fifteen years - working our buts off!
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22 Apr 2015 @ 12:04:35 pm
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Ooooooooooooooo 

Ta! 

Whew!

 

 

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22 Apr 2015 @ 12:29:54 pm
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Hi julle...

Om eerlik te wees,

Skottlegoed ek sal eerder was in my eie twee ronde plastik bakkies wat ek in die wasbak sit. En as hulle nie pas, dan werk ek op die draineering kant.. 

Stort, dra ek plakkies.

As dit by Klere-was kom......

Nou ja, hier is my camp-kombuis mini-draagbaar "was mashien"...

Kos so R20.00 en is beskikbaar by enige West-pack winkle.... Heel geskik vir 1 ou T hempie en 1 kortbroekie of somme a hele week se kouse... (Ek dink groen.... ek spaar waspoier)

Hoe werk hy?.... Somme maklik....

Sit wasgoed in, so bietjie-bietjie seep poier, 1/2 vol low-warm water.... Draai prop lekker vas toe, dan gaan n mens "inkomste-belasting-betaal".... winklaughing

Kom-kom mense... Ons moet ons plig doen en ons bietjie oorgee aan die regering.... ons is mos "staan-vas-Afrikanse mense" of hoe dan?  Dus vrywillig gee ons vir die regering dit wat gesoek word....sealed

Noujaa, daaaaaar by die inkomste belasting kantoor, soos jy daar sit en uitwerk wat jy gaan betaal, skud-skud jy die ding so hele paar keer, en mooi-so! 2 taakies somme gou-gou afgehandle

Inkomste belasting en wasgoed...laughing

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22 Apr 2015 @ 20:01:33 pm
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Warren, ek is rof gebore, grof grootgemaak en wild oud geword. Maar belowe jou, nie te hardegat om die kamp se opwabak te gebruik en wasgoed in n R 5 masjien te gooi nie.
Genoeg van stink sokkies en week-oud onnies en ghrieserige browns gehad om my n leeftyd te hou.
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22 Apr 2015 @ 20:12:11 pm
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If its a private one exclusive for my stand I will use it. But I do have what is needed so its not a must have for me.

Edenpark and Shangrila in die bos stands have them. Surely is a cost driver but convenient.

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22 Apr 2015 @ 20:38:13 pm
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For the tourist who is travelling light I think a camp kitchen is a blessing. Have come across a few in our travels. Sanparks, Bush Baby Lodge, and Numbi Caravan Park come to mind.

 

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23 Apr 2015 @ 10:32:41 am
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Sulke fasiliteite kan net tot voordeel strek vir 'n karavaanpark.  Daar is baie mense wat dit regtig nodig het omdat hulle nie self al die geriewe het nie.   Dink net hoe dankbaar moet 'n ou wees wat nie 'n yskas by hom het nie, of plek om te sit en eet as dit reen nie.   En selfs die wat hul eie geriewe het, maak een of ander tyd gebruik daarvan. 

Oorsese toeriste toer deesdae graag deur die land deur oor te bly in karavaanparke.  Dit wil voorkom of hul in twee kategoriee ingedeel is, die wat met groot campers met al die geriewe toer en die wat werklik net die nodigste het.   Paasnaweek was daar 'n  jong paartjie van Holland by Homestead.  Hul het die kleinste tentjie gehad, ek was bevrees die man se voete sou saans uitsteek na buite.  Behalwe dit het hul 2 matrassies en 2 slaapsakke gehad en 'n paar goedjie in hul kattebak.  Hulle het ten volle gebruik gemaak van die kombuis.  Mens gun dit vir hulle en dit kan toerisme net goed doen as SA vir sulke mense voorsiening maak.

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23 Apr 2015 @ 10:53:24 am
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Dit sal n pluspunt vir enige oord wees. Maar soos bo genoem sal die "free for all" gedagte dalk probleme skep waar dit yskaste betref. Bewaar die d&%%#r wat sy warm bier met my koue omruil of my ys vat. Ander fasiliteite soos mikrogolf, stoof ens kan vir baie van waarde wees. Kan selfs n "games room" en TV aangrensend he aan een kant en wasmasjiene aan die ander kant.

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23 Apr 2015 @ 11:26:39 am
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If there is such a need and resort owners do consider these, here are some practical suggestions:

  • Provide for a stove/ stoves.
  • Supply tables and chairs.
  • Provide a scullery.
  • Build lockable cubicles containing a bar fridge, cooking utensils, pots, pans, etc.

The last suggestion is so that a deposit may be asked to protect the property and a fee may be asked to recover the costs of the investment.  Each person thus rents his own fridge and utensils and gets provoded with a key for his/her cubicle.

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23 Apr 2015 @ 11:59:30 am
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If there is such a need and resort owners do consider these, here are some practical suggestions:

  • Provide for a stove/ stoves.
  • Supply tables and chairs.
  • Provide a scullery.
  • Build lockable cubicles containing a bar fridge, cooking utensils, pots, pans, etc.

The last suggestion is so that a deposit may be asked to protect the property and a fee may be asked to recover the costs of the investment.  Each person thus rents his own fridge and utensils and gets provoded with a key for his/her cubicle.


Most reputable caravan parks have sculleries these days. I think it would be rather expensive to provide fridges for individual campers exclusive use.
At Mac Nicols and Hlanathi in KZN, freezers are provided for campers to put their frozen goods in at no charge and at Hermits Wood near Drackensberg Gardens they have a kitchenette with scullery and stoves, and the system seem to work with most people being honest and not pinching others food. Mac Nicols is in the Shop and access is only during office hours but is more secure and a system I would encourage.It would not take much to set up gas stoves and fridges in some of the larger Scullery areas of existing structures at many caravan parks. I would love to hear park managers response to this idea but they seem rather quiet.
Try and keep it simple
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24 Apr 2015 @ 18:38:29 pm
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I would unfortunately not recommend this as some campers are not civelized in such a way to handle equipment with respect and to clean up behind themselves. I have experienced too much incidents all over caravan resorts where caravaners and campers, men and women, who behave like pigs in the ablutions and sculleries, as they do not have a servant on leash to do the job for them.

A big, big NO!





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24 Apr 2015 @ 21:02:45 pm
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Stem saam Johnnie.
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23 Jan 2016 @ 12:23:33 pm
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Interesante konsep...sou seker lekker wees as almal mekaar respekteer...die foto's wat Willie geplaas het, lyk baie gesellig.......👍
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Kampeer is aansteeklik en verslawend 😁
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23 Jan 2016 @ 15:02:08 pm
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Nee wat ek stem ook teen die kombuis storie dan gaan meer een dag besoekers kom en ja daar is te veel mense wat nie omgee hoe hulle n plek los nadat hulle geeet het en gekuier het nie.
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24 Jan 2016 @ 06:08:10 am
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Solank geen dag besoekers toegelaat word tensy hulle by iemand wat kamp kom kuier nie het ons geen probleem met dit nie. Almal is nie so ingerig vir meer as as twee of so gaste nie. Dan vir die oornag me nse sal dit baie vordeel inhou, solak dit beheer word.
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24 Jan 2016 @ 06:57:41 am
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I would unfortunately not recommend this as some campers are not civelized in such a way to handle equipment with respect and to clean up behind themselves. I have experienced too much incidents all over caravan resorts where caravaners and campers, men and women, who behave like pigs in the ablutions and sculleries, as they do not have a servant on leash to do the job for them.

A big, big NO!

Stem saam Johnny experience with other campers previous years tells me this is a no go.  If there are such facilities and tourists come by our SA Camping name will be down the drain.

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24 Jan 2016 @ 13:37:28 pm
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Ook 'n GROOT NO GO vir my. Jy kry verskillende tipe kampeerders, nl: die netjiese tipe, Die gemors Gatte en natuurlik die alkholiese grapjasse.

Die netjiese tipe sal altyd skuldig voel wanneer die gemors gatte die kombuis net so laat en dan staan en lag as die netjiese tipe die kombuis agter hulle gaan skoon maak.

Die alkholiese grapjasse het geen respek vir die ander kampeerder se kos wat besig is om te kook nie. Het my al oorgekom by Badplaas toe ek nog op skool was waar iemand klomp chillies en rooipepr in die kokende kos gegooi het en sodoende moes die pot kos vir die asblik gegee word.

Kook maar eerder kos by my karavaan of tent of koop vis & chips, maar geensins gesamentlike kombuis nie.

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24 Jan 2016 @ 15:55:51 pm
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Het baie gekamp in kruger en nog nooit die kombuis gebruik nie

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24 Jan 2016 @ 17:39:46 pm
Michelin Man
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Ons het op n plaas buite PTA gekamp. Plek se naam is Kwagaspride. Mens moet n groep wees, daar is niks. Hul het so kamp kombuis gehad. Selfs toegerus met swart potte, yskas, ketel ens ens. Dit was nogal nice. Ons was n groot vriende groep en toe het dit lekker gewerk. Saam vreemde kampers dink ek nie dit sal werk nie.
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27 Jan 2016 @ 10:48:43 am
DR DRAKE GP not a Doctor nor a GP
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As ek na ander drade kyk, dan is die antwoord "NEEEEEEEEEEE"

Die lede kla dan reeds oor tarriewe en die sal ook dan op gaan om die addisionele kostes en opbrengs te dek.

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