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30 Dec 2019 @ 13:20:50 pm
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campers a little down and over the road from us were carrying on last night in a rowdy drunk disorderly manor and the campers next to us had had enough which ended up in an even more rowdy exchange of opinions which continued unto what time i dont know cause we just closed our van up , put the air-con on which drowned most of the noise and went to sleep, only to be woken at 4 am by the camper next to us blowing his hooter and banging tent poles down in the back of his bakkie until the offending campers from last night came out bleary eyed to see what was going on. i guess that was the plan but now most of the campsite is now awake at 4 am. word has it the present campers here will never return here again let alone speak any good of this place. management here do not have a plan in place to deal with these alcohol fueled events.

we knew we would meet some interesting people on our adventure and we have, but the mentality of some............. 
two roads diverged in a wood and i took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.
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30 Dec 2019 @ 16:15:13 pm
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Waar is dit......

 

As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

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30 Dec 2019 @ 17:11:33 pm
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Hi maybe you must mention the name of this resort so we don't make any mistake of visiting hoping to enjoy while we are to be disappointed like yourself. 

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30 Dec 2019 @ 17:34:57 pm
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Hi maybe you must mention the name of this resort so we don't make any mistake of visiting hoping to enjoy while we are to be disappointed like yourself. 

Incidents like this happen at several resorts especially this time of year. If you are going to blacklist them you might end up not finding a place to camp.

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30 Dec 2019 @ 17:55:04 pm
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I hate it when alcohol is the reason for me not enjoying my camping.  I have no respect for a drunk idiot.   Better yet I have no respect for someone that use alcohol and there is no purpose to drinking it.  Since I was a child I new what alcohol does to a family.  If you use alcohol even like on a party or during a wedding or what ever reason you can think up to drink it you should do it with respect to others and for the taste of it.  The moment you do it for the effect of it you have a problem.

Does not matter in what resort you are, if you are drunk and you cannot control your self you should leave.  And this is the duty of the resort owner to sort it out.  Because before long your resort will have a name like  Omaramba near Rustenburg.

I would also like the name of the resort

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30 Dec 2019 @ 18:17:50 pm
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I hate it when alcohol is the reason for me not enjoying my camping.  I have no respect for a drunk idiot.   Better yet I have no respect for someone that use alcohol and there is no purpose to drinking it.  Since I was a child I new what alcohol does to a family.  If you use alcohol even like on a party or during a wedding or what ever reason you can think up to drink it you should do it with respect to others and for the taste of it.  The moment you do it for the effect of it you have a problem.

Does not matter in what resort you are, if you are drunk and you cannot control your self you should leave.  And this is the duty of the resort owner to sort it out.  Because before long your resort will have a name like  Omaramba near Rustenburg.

I would also like the name of the resort

What is the best way of handling these kind of situations? Instant eviction even during the night? 

 

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30 Dec 2019 @ 18:27:16 pm
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What is the best way of handling these kind of situations? Instant eviction even during the night? 

 

Seen instant eviction once or twice, one was literally late at night. The resort was so "friendly" to even pack up for the offenders (none was due to drink but simply because of bad and noisy behaviour). 

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30 Dec 2019 @ 18:42:46 pm
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Yes instand eviction.  See it done twice before.

It really is the only way to deal with drunkards.  You will put one camping drunk out and win 100 other proper camping friends 

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30 Dec 2019 @ 18:55:00 pm
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No tolerance.  Why have rules if you do not intend to enforce them.

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30 Dec 2019 @ 19:54:08 pm
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At the very least the resort management should bring the law in to remove the offenders. If the security is up to scratch they should be aware of this sort of behavior almost as soon as you are.

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30 Dec 2019 @ 21:19:21 pm
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The name of the resort?

One of the problems of members here is we do do not really care to get to know each other. If we did we would know who George is and where he has been camping for more than 4 months. Some of you have actually communicated with him on other topics.

Now that I have that off my chest.

George, before we "blacklist" the place, it would be interesting to know if this is a regular thing there?

 

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30 Dec 2019 @ 21:53:50 pm
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Hi maybe you must mention the name of this resort so we don't make any mistake of visiting hoping to enjoy while we are to be disappointed like yourself. 

Welkom op die forum.

 

 

As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

Die jonge Fransies. (Parys - Frankryk)
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30 Dec 2019 @ 22:47:16 pm
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HUGO.............. BEL DIE POLISIE ! ! !

HUGO........BEL DIE POLISIE ! ! !

Stop dit. More is hulle uit 🙄

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31 Dec 2019 @ 06:07:42 am
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The name of the resort is not important. 

Yes they could have asked the police to relocate them to their B&B. But you can't have a drunk behind the wheel with a caravan.

The next morning have them BOTH do the drive of shame. The drunk was an idiot. Drummer Boy had no excuse for waking up the whole camp. 

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31 Dec 2019 @ 10:59:19 am
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oord bestuur behoor kamper wat hulle skuldig maak aan "pulic nusance" se goed onmidelik te help pak. en hulle tot buite die oord te begely....

Kom ons gaan kamp
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01 Jan 2020 @ 06:34:00 am
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Sou die reels op die oord se geen harde musiek na 22H00 moet die reel mos toegepas word het selfde met my gebeur jare terug by badplaas ek het gaan aanklop by security hulle niks gedoen en ja 5 jaar later nog nie weer daar gekamp nie daar is baie oorde in die land wat jy kan kamp my 2c

Haak daai wa kamp bly koning
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01 Jan 2020 @ 14:49:48 pm
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I blame a situation like that on incompetent management.

I have been to a resort where we had to sign a document having acquainted oureslves with the rules and then had to sign an agreement to evacuate without a refund should we transgress.

During our visit a group of youngsters got rowdy. A staff member confronted them with the documets they signed, and not a single sound was heard from their campsite subsequently.

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01 Jan 2020 @ 17:07:29 pm
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I think we are missing the point that George is making.

It is not about the reactive actions (or lack thereof) of the resort management after the incident took place.

It is about the actions and mentality of the types of people that he has encountered so far,  and in my opinion will undoubtedly encounter again at other resorts in future, as he is a full-time camper.

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01 Jan 2020 @ 17:14:19 pm
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My opinion :-

  •  I agree with KD, it will be irresponsible to evict a drunk person and his family from the resort and risk killing himself, his family and other road users
  •  It cannot be classified as public nuisance as it happened on private property
  •  The offender should be black listed from the resort and evicted the following day.  Notices explaining the action should be placed in prominent places in the resort so that other campers can see that Management is acting on bad behavior. This in itself should be a deterrent.
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01 Jan 2020 @ 17:34:21 pm
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I agree that the offenders (the drunks and the ranting camper at 4 am) should be dealt with, but notices as a deterrent is no guarantee that it will not happen again. Even the 22:00 ruling in Sanparks is regularly not adhered to.

Did hanging deter people from murdering? It just reduces the amount of people in jail.

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01 Jan 2020 @ 18:07:40 pm
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What I meant was that action by management is important to notify everybody in the resort what happens to bad behavior.

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01 Jan 2020 @ 21:08:37 pm
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No misunderstanding Lennie. I think we are in agreement on that. But does it stop bad behaviour?

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01 Jan 2020 @ 21:52:24 pm
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I cannot say, however, it should address the many complaints campers have that Management do not apply their own rules.

On the other hand, if rules are strictly applied and it is well known by all, it may just be that the message reach those that tend to misbehave.

We have such an example here in the Cape at Montagu Caravan Park in Montagu and it is well known throughout the camping community that absolute no tolerance is taken at bad behavior.

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01 Jan 2020 @ 22:41:14 pm
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Off the topic but now that you mention Montague Caravan Park, it is is the most unfriendly staff we have ever encountered in our travels.  From the receptionist to the owners. And I am not the only one that says this. Hopefully they have been on a personal relationship course as they needed it.

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01 Jan 2020 @ 23:01:53 pm
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Unfortunately that is the experience of many.  We were four couples camping there six weeks ago for four days and we encountered only friendly and efficient service.  However, we heard the same complaint from various campers.

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02 Jan 2020 @ 05:50:54 am
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campers a little down and over the road from us were carrying on last night in a rowdy drunk disorderly manor and the campers next to us had had enough which ended up in an even more rowdy exchange of opinions which continued unto what time i dont know cause we just closed our van up , put the air-con on which drowned most of the noise and went to sleep, only to be woken at 4 am by the camper next to us blowing his hooter and banging tent poles down in the back of his bakkie until the offending campers from last night came out bleary eyed to see what was going on. i guess that was the plan but now most of the campsite is now awake at 4 am. word has it the present campers here will never return here again let alone speak any good of this place. management here do not have a plan in place to deal with these alcohol fueled events.

we knew we would meet some interesting people on our adventure and we have, but the mentality of some............. 

Klink nie of hierdie betrokke oord eienaars veel worry oor wat hul kampeerders doen nie. Op ander draad gelees waar kampeerders mechanic werk doen op hierdie oord op hul karre soos CV joints vervang ensovoorts. Dit gaan ook nie geraasvry verby nie. n Oord wat sulke dinge toelaat is buitendien n "no-go" vir my.....ek kom om te ontspan en rus.

En dan wonder hulle hoekom hul oord leegloop.......?

WAARSKUWING:

Kampeer is aansteeklik en verslawend 😁
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02 Jan 2020 @ 08:34:26 am
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Om dronk kampeerders in die middel van die nag weg te jaag is, soos verskeie mense sê, verkeerd.  Jy kan nie dronk mense dwing op te bestuur nie.  Dis gewoonlik Pa wat hom soos 'n vark gedra en nou moet sy hele gesin dar onder ly. Ek dink die bestuur moet die situasie hanteer en as hulle dit nie doen nie, behoort die polisie in te gryp.  Ek het 'n aantal jare gelede op Stilbaai gesien hoe vinnig 'n bekwame polisieman 'n klomp raserige matrikulante by ons buurhuis stilgemaak het. 'n Nag in die polisieselle of die dreigement daarvan,  is wat nodig is. 

Ek betwyfel die stelling hierbo dat rusversteuring op privaatgrond nie deur die polisie aangespreek kan word nie.  Dit sou beteken dat ek maar op my eie erf tekere kan gaan soos ek wil, die bure se slaap versteur en die polisie staan magteloos.  Maak nie saak waar jy die lawaai maak nie, as dit enige lid van die publiek benadeel, is dit 'n misdaad.  Jou eie erf is nie 'n skuiling nie.  Bestuur van die oord, of wettige inwoners daarvan, het ook die reg om polisiebeskerming aan te vra.

Leon, Ek stem 100% met jou saam oor jou sentimente oor drankgebruik, maar dit wil vir my voorkom of mense wat soos ons dink, ver in die minderheid is.  Meeste mense drink vir die effek, met ander woorde om dronk te word.  Waarom anders sal brandewyn se aaklige smaak met coke verberg word? Hoekom kan mense nie in 'n nugter toestand vrolik wees nie?

Oor die negatiewe aanmerkings oor Montagu karavaan park, het ek ernstige bedenkings.  Ons was al vele kere daar en vind die plek BAIE goed bestuur en die personeel baie hoflik.  Hulle neem egter hulle reëls oor goeie gedrag ernstig op, wat deur redelike kampeerders waardeer word.  Ek wonder waarom die lid wat so krities is, voel dat hy onvriendelik behandel is- het hy dalk self onhoflik opgetree of 'n oorlas van homself gemaak?

Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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02 Jan 2020 @ 08:43:41 am
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Stem saam, ek kamp eerder by 'n oord met streng reëls (wat soms iewat irriterend is) en streng toegepas word om darem die ongewensde elemente uit te hou.

Byvoorbeeld, kyk hoekom kamp ek nie meer jaarliks by Joos Becker karavaanpark in Pretoria nie :-

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02 Jan 2020 @ 09:06:56 am
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Rusverstoring  op jou eie privaatgrond (jou huis) tot steurnis van ander mense op hulle eie privaatgrond (in hulle huise) verskil van rusverstoring binne die privaatgrond van 'n vakansie-oord  -  dis niks anders as huismoles van 'n oord nie.  Die polisie sal net reageer as lewens bedreig word.

Hoe dit ookal sy, kom ons wees prakties : om die polisie wat dikwels nie eers instaat is om ernstige misdaad aan te spreek nie vanweë verskeie redes (gebrek aan voertuie en kundige personeel), mors jy jou tyd. En,  in ons gevaarlike Suid-Afrika, kom ons gee tog daardie klompie kundige en gewillige polisielede die kans om werklike misdaad te bestry eerder as om dronkaards in 'n vakansie-oord onder beheer te probeer bring.  Dit bly bestuur van 'n oord se verantwoordelikheid om reëls toe te pas en te sorg dat alle betalende kampeerders gelukkig en veilige verblyf geniet.

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02 Jan 2020 @ 09:33:27 am
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" …..I have no respect for someone that use alcohol and there is no purpose to drinking it"

Leon, ek twyfel of dit werklik is wat jy bedoel want dan het jy pas jou respek vir my verloor.  Ek geniet 'n bier en hou van wit- of rooiwyn tydens etes, netsoos ander mense van koeldrank, vrugtesap, koffie en braaivleis hou.  Netsoos met alles in die lewe, daar is perke in die oormatige gebruik van enige voedsel of drank en in die geval van alkohol is daar natuurlik wetlike beperkinge as jy wil bestuur.

Ek respekteer iemand wat 'n keuse uitoefen om nie alkohol te gebruik nie en ek sal dit waardeer as mense my keuse om wel alkohol te gebruik, ook sal respekteer.

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02 Jan 2020 @ 09:47:29 am
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Mens kan dink wat jy wil ne, maar wat jy se, kan verskil maak, vir jouself en andere...

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02 Jan 2020 @ 10:05:05 am
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" …..I have no respect for someone that use alcohol and there is no purpose to drinking it"

Leon, ek twyfel of dit werklik is wat jy bedoel want dan het jy pas jou respek vir my verloor.  Ek geniet 'n bier en hou van wit- of rooiwyn tydens etes, netsoos ander mense van koeldrank, vrugtesap, koffie en braaivleis hou.  Netsoos met alles in die lewe, daar is perke in die oormatige gebruik van enige voedsel of drank en in die geval van alkohol is daar natuurlik wetlike beperkinge as jy wil bestuur.

Ek respekteer iemand wat 'n keuse uitoefen om nie alkohol te gebruik nie en ek sal dit waardeer as mense my keuse om wel alkohol te gebruik, ook sal respekteer.

Stem ook met dit. Ek drink nie alkohol om dronk te word nie maar geniet ook 'n "dop".

 

Se dankie vir wat jy in die lewe het.
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02 Jan 2020 @ 12:05:50 pm
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Fred, ek let op jy verwys na my en het ook 'n vraag gevra so kom ek help jou reg.

Jy skryf.

Oor die negatiewe aanmerkings oor Montagu karavaan park, het ek ernstige bedenkings.  Ons was al vele kere daar en vind die plek BAIE goed bestuur en die personeel baie hoflik.  Hulle neem egter hulle reëls oor goeie gedrag ernstig op, wat deur redelike kampeerders waardeer word.  Ek wonder waarom die lid wat so krities is, voel dat hy onvriendelik behandel is- het hy dalk self onhoflik opgetree of 'n oorlas van homself gemaak?

My answer. Regarding your reservations about the unfriendliness of the management. Go read the reviews on this and other websites. Also Lennie's posting below, in response to mine.

"Unfortunately that is the experience of many.  We were four couples camping there six weeks ago for four days and we encountered only friendly and efficient service.  However, we heard the same complaint from various campers."

Regarding your insinuating questions in your last sentence.

I am not being critical. Just stating what I experienced without any reason for it. Good for you that you and Lennie experienced the opposite, but your insinuations that I provoked unfriendliness does not go down well.

Lastly, I will rather not comment on your statement and intolerance of alcohol users. You are entitled to your generalized opinion.

Have a happy 2020.

 

 
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03 Jan 2020 @ 11:31:40 am
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Yes, this is a Forum with different people & personalities, and we do tend to post our feelings/thoughts, often not thinking about it or the consequences. Sometimes we are not as big and strong, when we are faced with the same situation. It is easy to be the cleverest and bravest when not confronted with the odds stacked against you. Sometimes, just common sense will prevail...

In life, there is not a script or booklet to cover every situation you may encounter, but experience may have to show you the right way. Sometimes you may just have to bite the bullet, because getting involved can often cause more problems than what it is worth. That certainly does not mean that you are necessarily backing away from a situation, but sometimes it is better to postpone a fight to another day...

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03 Jan 2020 @ 12:50:59 pm
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Yes, this is a Forum with different people & personalities, and we do tend to post our feelings/thoughts, often not thinking about it or the consequences. Sometimes we are not as big and strong, when we are faced with the same situation. It is easy to be the cleverest and bravest when not confronted with the odds stacked against you. Sometimes, just common sense will prevail...

In life, there is not a script or booklet to cover every situation you may encounter, but experience may have to show you the right way. Sometimes you may just have to bite the bullet, because getting involved can often cause more problems than what it is worth. That certainly does not mean that you are necessarily backing away from a situation, but sometimes it is better to postpone a fight to another day...

This is the best answer I came across in a long time.

Tx Edge 

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03 Jan 2020 @ 17:58:58 pm
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Yes Edge i fully agree with you. That old country song says "Son you don't have to fight to be a man" To argue with an intoxicated person is to beg for a fight. A friendly discussion the next day with a lesson in good behaviour might bring him back to reality.(or not) At least you tried. 

Ons drink uit die piering want ons koppie loop oor.
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03 Jan 2020 @ 18:07:00 pm
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A commotion where liquor is involved and a road rage situation has much in common where the offending party is confronted. It can easily end up very, very ugly. This is where one stays out of it.

However, on the internet my view is that if one posts on an open forum exposure is to a wide variety of opinions, who are free to respond. Reactions, positive or negative, should be viewed as opinions, and should not be taken personally. 

Don't confuse one's personality with one's attitude. One's personality is who you are. One's attitude depends on who the other person is. Therefore, be who you are and say how you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
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03 Jan 2020 @ 20:10:35 pm
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Klink nie of hierdie betrokke oord eienaars veel worry oor wat hul kampeerders doen nie. Op ander draad gelees waar kampeerders mechanic werk doen op hierdie oord op hul karre soos CV joints vervang ensovoorts. Dit gaan ook nie geraasvry verby nie. n Oord wat sulke dinge toelaat is buitendien n "no-go" vir my.....ek kom om te ontspan en rus.

En dan wonder hulle hoekom hul oord leegloop.......?

In die 1970's het Cortina XR6 eienaars sommer hulle Fordjie met sy "go faster" strepe op 'n Sondag oggend so teen 6 uur gou 'n diens gegee in die karvaanpark! Daai XR6'e se "diens" het sowat 'n uur se aanhoudende "rev innie rooi" gekos terwyl die eienaar so hier en daar sommer gou 'n paar skroewe vasgedraai het. Daarna is die XR6 se keelgat mooi skoon en hy's reg vir die huistoe sleep :)

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04 Jan 2020 @ 08:57:22 am
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Klink soos Rev Right Motors

In die 1970's het Cortina XR6 eienaars sommer hulle Fordjie met sy "go faster" strepe op 'n Sondag oggend so teen 6 uur gou 'n diens gegee in die karvaanpark! Daai XR6'e se "diens" het sowat 'n uur se aanhoudende "rev innie rooi" gekos terwyl die eienaar so hier en daar sommer gou 'n paar skroewe vasgedraai het. Daarna is die XR6 se keelgat mooi skoon en hy's reg vir die huistoe sleep :)

On The Road Again
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04 Jan 2020 @ 09:17:10 am
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Ai tog!  As almal maar ander in ag sou neem, sou die wêreld 'n beter plek wees.  Ons het lank gelede op Rob Ferreira oornag toe daar mense naby middernag ingekom het- in 'n hut- maar terwyl hulle afpak, Give me hope Johanah, aanhoudend kliphard op hulle motor se klankstelsel gespeel het terwyl die hele kamp slaap.  Hoe verstaan jy sulke mense?  Haat hulle die hele wêreld?

Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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04 Jan 2020 @ 17:34:47 pm
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Nadat ons afgetree het en in meenthuise begin bly het,het dieselfde verskynsel hom ook maar daar afgespeel. Dit is maar ook n lewe waaraan jy gewoond moet raak. Hoedigtheid behuising en n karavaanpark het maar min of meer dieselfde probleme. 

Tans bly ons hier in Uvongo in n kompleks op groot  grond met slegs 5 losstaande huise op. Gelukkig vir ons heers hier n baie goeie atmosfeer tussen die inwoners en ek hoop nie hier kom ooit n verandering nie. Dit kan dalk daardie raserige buurman met sy nuwe karavaan wees wat soos in n kampplek met al sy nuwe tegnologie intrek en die res van ons "oumense" se rus en vrede kom versteur. Ou tannies kan moeilik raak as jy hulle ritme versteur.LOL.

Ons drink uit die piering want ons koppie loop oor.
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07 Jan 2020 @ 10:31:27 am
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Sou die reels op die oord se geen harde musiek na 22H00 moet die reel mos toegepas word het selfde met my gebeur jare terug by badplaas ek het gaan aanklop by security hulle niks gedoen en ja 5 jaar later nog nie weer daar gekamp nie daar is baie oorde in die land wat jy kan kamp my 2c

Stem saam.  Hier gaan dit oor die afdwing van die reels.  As die oord dit nie kan doen nie will ek nie daar kamp nie.  Want dan is die odd kans daar, dat die lawaaierigheid weer kan gebeur as ek daar gaan kamp.

 

 

Sonder Jesus is ek niks! ! ! !
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