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Which gear for towing with Auto 2.8 Hilux

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23 Jan 2017 @ 17:09:54 pm
Klaasvakie
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I've been towing for years. With my new 2.8 Hilux DC 4x4 AUTO and a 3 yr old Sprite Swing in tow my question is:
My towing speed is 90 kph. With a manual box (5 gears) Hilux I used the 4 th (straight) gear.
Which gear would you select: 'D' or one of the 'S' gears? the S range only go to S4. Anybody with hand on experience with this combination?


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23 Jan 2017 @ 17:27:34 pm
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I also can select between "D" and "S", and generally use "D". All I know is that in "S" I use a helluva lot more gas. If you experiment between the two you will soon establish in which one the vehicle feels "happiest".
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23 Jan 2017 @ 17:29:43 pm
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Following as when I get Hilux I would want to know..

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23 Jan 2017 @ 17:44:51 pm
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I also can select between "D" and "S", and generally use "D". All I know is that in "S" I use a helluva lot more gas. If you experiment between the two you will soon establish in which one the vehicle feels "happiest".

Thanks Louvan. Sounds the right way to handle it.
Really looking forward to the trip. Never though I would ever have a auto Hilux.
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23 Jan 2017 @ 17:50:51 pm
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Please give feedback on how all goes? I would really appreciate your views and experience

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23 Jan 2017 @ 17:58:44 pm
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Brommer, ek ry middel Feb Knysna toe en kom terug Langebaan toe 15 Maart. Die bulte op die N2 sal vir my leer. Sal so maak!
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23 Jan 2017 @ 18:07:35 pm
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Eastwood, With a big engine and a reasonably light caravan, why would you consider forcing the car into a lower gear(by forcing it to rev higher before changing up)? I have no experience of your tow vehicle, but I would be inclined to believe you have excess power to tow economically in D on reasonably level roads. Lovan's commment makes sense to me.

Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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23 Jan 2017 @ 19:41:46 pm
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Agree with the above topic.
Auto will select the appropriate gear.
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23 Jan 2017 @ 20:07:51 pm
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Ek vermoed jy gaan nie sukkel nie.. was vir toetsrit en met PWR mode trek daai Toyota beter as sy spec op papier

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25 Jan 2017 @ 08:39:35 am
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what does your owners manual say?

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25 Jan 2017 @ 12:51:37 pm
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what does your owners manual say?


Die handleiding (42 mm dik) sÍ niks van watter rat nie. Wel dat jy nie moet sleep as hy nie n trekstang het nie :>)))
Die verkoopsman stel voor die D rat.

Eastwood, With a big engine and a reasonably light caravan, why would you consider forcing the car into a lower gear(by forcing it to rev higher before changing up)? I have no experience of your tow vehicle, but I would be inclined to believe you have excess power to tow economically in D on reasonably level roads. Lovan's commment makes sense to me.

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25 Jan 2017 @ 13:03:40 pm
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Eastwood, With a big engine and a reasonably light caravan, why would you consider forcing the car into a lower gear(by forcing it to rev higher before changing up)? I have no experience of your tow vehicle, but I would be inclined to believe you have excess power to tow economically in D on reasonably level roads. Lovan's commment makes sense to me.


Fred, I see no forcing using 4 in manual transmission. It must be obvious to you that I know zero about what happens in an automatic transmission. From there the question. It seems with all the suggestions in this discussion which I appreciate, I shall be the first one to report back Deo Volente. Thanks for your input :>))
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25 Jan 2017 @ 14:06:10 pm
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Eastwood, With a big engine and a reasonably light caravan, why would you consider forcing the car into a lower gear(by forcing it to rev higher before changing up)? I have no experience of your tow vehicle, but I would be inclined to believe you have excess power to tow economically in D on reasonably level roads. Lovan's commment makes sense to me.

It's not about forcing it into a lower gear. By towing in the highest gear (6th) you are putting more strain on the gearbox. You often find some vehicle have a whining sound in top gear - this could be from too much stress in top gear. By towing in the direct gear(1:1 ratio), the strain is the same between engine/gearbox.

Having said that I do some times tow in 5th gear, but only on a level road with the wind behind or down hill. I rather pay at the pumps (read fuel consumption) than having to do costly gearbox maintenance at some future stage.

Just my 2c worth

Good luck and keep us posted.

Edwin

 

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25 Jan 2017 @ 15:04:45 pm
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Edwin,  What I am saying is that by using S-mode, the car revs higher in every gear before changing to the next gear.  My point is that probably the Hilux has enough torque to run confortably in D-mode with the caravan in tow. In other words, I do not think it needs to rev higher with the caravan in tow.  With my Kuga and my previous Sprite Supersport, I used to tow in S-mode(S for sleep in Afrikaanssmile) but the Hilux with much more torque towing more or less the same weight, I don't think it necessary.(320 against 450)  The engine or gearbox  won't be stressed- the auto gearbox will see to that, other than a manual gearbox.

Also, it is a fallacy to think about a direct gear.  That was the case long ago in cars with, for instance my first car, a Ford Anglia, but these days that is no longer the case. Check your workshop manuals if you happen to have them.

Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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25 Jan 2017 @ 15:21:30 pm
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Just something more: When towing the Sprite, the Kuga's gearbox stayed in top gear -6th- on level roads indicating that it was not over straining.  With the much lighter and smaller Skipper, it even stays in 6th on slight inclines. That is why I think the Hilux will handle a similar weighted caravan with ease. I am not stating this as a fact- this is just my opinion. 

The Kuga has a duel-clutch box which acts like an automatic.

Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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25 Jan 2017 @ 17:11:24 pm
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Edwin,  What I am saying is that by using S-mode, the car revs higher in every gear before changing to the next gear.  My point is that probably the Hilux has enough torque to run confortably in D-mode with the caravan in tow. In other words, I do not think it needs to rev higher with the caravan in tow.  With my Kuga and my previous Sprite Supersport, I used to tow in S-mode(S for sleep in Afrikaanssmile) but the Hilux with much more torque towing more or less the same weight, I don't think it necessary.(320 against 450)  The engine or gearbox  won't be stressed- the auto gearbox will see to that, other than a manual gearbox.

Also, it is a fallacy to think about a direct gear.  That was the case long ago in cars with, for instance my first car, a Ford Anglia, but these days that is no longer the case. Check your workshop manuals if you happen to have them.


Fred, I was a little bit confused you mentioning the KUGA. I will be able to report back mid March. Thanks for the input.
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25 Jan 2017 @ 20:02:30 pm
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Ek sleep met die auto deur manual te gebruik.

Goeie diesel en krag.

As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

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26 Jan 2017 @ 09:17:36 am
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Eastwood, The Ford part is just incidental as this is the diesel I am familiar with.  My reason for mentioning this was to compare the Kuga, that already tows well, to your more powerful Hilux and indicating that it would tow much easier than the Kuga did with a similiar sized caravan.

Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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26 Jan 2017 @ 10:36:45 am
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With the Touareg, I always tow in S mode. It locks the torque converter earlier and holds the current gear longer before changing over when pulling away. Less stress on the gearbox and engine. With 750NM it always stays in 6th, unless the hill is very steep then it will change back to 5th.

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26 Jan 2017 @ 10:55:16 am
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Eastwood, The Ford part is just incidental as this is the diesel I am familiar with.  My reason for mentioning this was to compare the Kuga, that already tows well, to your more powerful Hilux and indicating that it would tow much easier than the Kuga did with a similiar sized caravan.


Thank you!
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26 Jan 2017 @ 11:11:33 am
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With the Touareg, I always tow in S mode. It locks the torque converter earlier and holds the current gear longer before changing over when pulling away. Less stress on the gearbox and engine. With 750NM it always stays in 6th, unless the hill is very steep then it will change back to 5th.


Dieter, this is very interesting about the torque converter. My concern is more about the gearbox than the fuel consumption (see Edwins remarks). (over 500 X 2 km). Thx.
I am sure glad that I started this discussion. I'll be back DEO VOLENTE!
This trip will be as fascinating as the camping.
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13 Feb 2017 @ 19:51:25 pm
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Google the gear ratio's. Even on an auto it is better in a 1:1 ratio. The biggest danger on auto boxes is heat. Only by towing will you be able to determine in what gear you should tow.
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20 Mar 2017 @ 12:39:46 pm
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Please give feedback on how all goes? I would really appreciate your views and experience

Nou ja! Terug van Buffelsbaai met die 2.8 DC 6 Outomaties.
Die N2 van Swellendam na Mosselbaai kon ek mooi waarneem. Ek het op D gery die hele tyd. Ratte het gewissel tussen 6 de en 5de. Selde terug na 4de. Indien hy wel teruggeskakel het na 4de was dit gewoonlik vir 'n minuut of wat. Ongelukkig word die rat waarin jy is nie aangedui op die instrument paneel nie. So ek het die omwentelings dopgehou en gekyk wanneer hy oorskakel.Sesde rat was1500 tot 2000 opm. Meer as 2100 was 5de en 2500 was vierde. Diesel verbruik was met die terugkom teen Noordwester 13.8 en 16 liter per 100 km. Ek het my spoed gehou op 90 (afdraand was 95 kpu). Ek seker ek sou meer krag gehad het met POWER MODE en meer brandstof verbuik het. Opsommend kan ek sÍ dit is 'n ervaring om vrag te sleep en die ratkas die besluite te laat neem. Ek hoop hierdie info help die manne wat nog wik en weeg. Vra maar.
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20 Mar 2017 @ 13:49:13 pm
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Dankie. Klink of hy wel sy ding doen met die ratte.. ja jong ek wik en weeg hard oor 4.0 petrol en 2.8 diesel.............. sodra jy in die een klim ry hy lekkerder as ander een.... maar outo is net soveel gemakliker.. interessant die verbruik teen 90.....

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20 Mar 2017 @ 20:55:19 pm
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I am of the opinion that you should put it in D & leave it alone. It will not lug along in a gear that is too high. Thinking that we can out-think a precision built transmission that is designed to protect itself & the engine, is to a certain degree presumptuous. The Toyota guys know their business.
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20 Mar 2017 @ 22:00:49 pm
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Dag se Manne. Ek dink geen twee karre sleep dieselfde of is dieselfde. Ek dink die terein waarop jy sleep pas dalik nie by die raad van iemand wat dalk n ander roete en terin sleep.

Ken jou voertuig, luister na hom en jy sal hoor waar hy gemaklik loop en waar hy swaar kry. Vind die regte rat en regte spoed. Niemand sal beter weet as jy self wat op daardie tydstip sleep nie. Pak die bul by die horings en sleep jy sal wel self agter kom watter rat en watter spoed en wat gee jou die beste beste brandstof verbruik. Dir is maar n trial and error ding die.

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21 Mar 2017 @ 09:05:14 am
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I towed (for the first time) with my Hilux 2.8 (auto) from Kleinmond to Hartenbos, this past Friday. I tow a Caravette 6B. I towed in "D" and found it to be an absolute pleasure. I tow at 90 kph (GPS speed - showing just lower than 100 kph on the speedometer). My fuel consumption was (according to the vehicle's "computer") 12.3 litres/100 km.
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21 Mar 2017 @ 10:35:49 am
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I am of the opinion that you should put it in D & leave it alone. It will not lug along in a gear that is too high. Thinking that we can out-think a precision built transmission that is designed to protect itself & the engine, is to a certain degree presumptuous. The Toyota guys know their business.

Thanks Tom. My thoughts exactly :>))

Eastwood
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