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VW Kombi vs H1

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29 Nov, 2020 @ 11:29:54 am
IrEddie
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Hi

Im in the market for a van and looking at buying new between either H1 or Kombi I have a jurgens explorer and use my Ranger or Patrol tow it for offroad holidays. 

However looking to tow it with the van for non offroad holidays. 

Any advise and experience on these 2 vans for towing. (explorer is quite heavy)

Rented a kombi a few weeks back but had to return it due to steering pump. Replacement had the same issue and packed-up eventually on the trip. not fun to steer a kombi loaded with 8 adults without power steering. is this a coman issue on the kombis?

 

thanks for advise

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29 Nov, 2020 @ 12:51:12 pm
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Hi Eduard

Welcome to the forum.

Not actively brousing in the vehicle market, I have to ask:

What is the H1?

I have experience towing with the previous 1990's Kombi's (2.1, 2.3, 2.5) of a 1995 Penta. Had no problem towing a heavy laden Penta. 

The GVM of the Penta and the Explorer is very close.

I would assume the new diesel Kombi will be an excellent tow vehicle.

Had no technical issues with the VWKombi's I towed with.

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29 Nov, 2020 @ 13:34:23 pm
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Welcome Eduard

 

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29 Nov, 2020 @ 13:36:59 pm
IrEddie
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H1 is the Hyundai kombi

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29 Nov, 2020 @ 17:18:21 pm
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Welkom hier op die forum.

 

Al weer oppad iewers heen.
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29 Nov, 2020 @ 17:44:03 pm
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Hyundai H1 is rear wheel drive, T6 Kombi is front wheel drive. For that reason H1 should be better for the heavy Explorer

 

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29 Nov, 2020 @ 18:57:50 pm
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Soos op Internet gekry:

Hyundai H1

The Hyundai H1 has been around since 2009 and has racked up impressive sales in the 8/9-seater bus market since then. In fact, the Hyundai is a 9-seater as it offers accommodation for three up front, with the second and third rows of seats each offering three spaces.

The H1 bus is available with a petrol engine and manual transmission, but we feel the model to go for, even though it is quite a bit more expensive, is the H1 2.5 CRDi Elite. The 2,5-litre turbodiesel engine produces 125 kW and 440 Nm of torque. It is mated to a 5-speed automatic transmission that is beautifully matched to the power characteristics of the engine. The H1 also differs from a lot of buses in this league as it features rear-wheel-drive. We feel that rear-wheel-drive is far more suited to a vehicle of this type where it is likely to be loaded at the rear, as stability is better under changing throttle openings.

Fuel consumption wise, the H1’s claimed average is 9,8 litres/100 km. We feel the real-world difference between the two is likely to be less than three litres/100 km, but nevertheless the automatic H1 is going to use a fair bit more fuel. The price of the H1 2.5 CRDi is R690 500.

Volkswagen Kombi

The Volkswagen Kombi continues a tradition that began back in the 1950s when the Kombi was the first MPV or minibus on the market. The latest Kombi is an extremely stylish vehicle, and is available in a number of power outputs.. The model we would go for, as a balance between performance and price, would be the 2.0TDi SWB Trendline Plus. This model costs R656 300 which makes it the mid-line model, price-wise, in the Kombi range.

The Trendline Plus offers a significant amount of upmarket features, but with fairly modest power. The 2.0 TDI motor in this one develops 103 kW and 340 NM of torque. It comes with a 7-speed DSG (automatic) gearbox, and front-wheel-drive.

There is some confusion here about model naming. The Trendline Plus is also available in a version using the bi-turbo 2,0-litre VW diesel, and this engine is good for 132 kW and 400 Nm or troque. The minor difference is denoted in the model name; the Trendline Plus 2.0 BiTDI is the more powerful and expensive model, costing R698 000. At the top of the range is the BiTDI Comfortline, with a big price jump to R778 000.

the Kombi is an 8-seater. It probably offers the most refined ride of all three of these vehicles, and fuel consumption is claimed to be 8,0 litres/100 km,

Verdict?

The Volkswagen Kombi is the one to go for if high-style is your thing. Nobody does a bus of this configuration better than Volkswagen, in terms of overall ride ambience and quality of materials used in the interior. The warranty of 3 years/120 000 km and a 5-year/60 000 km service plan, though, is a bit mean in comparison to its competitors. While we value the operation of the Kombi’s 7-speed DSG gearbox, we have heard too many stories of these gearboxes needing replacement at around the 120 000 km mark, so this would be a concern.

The winner

The winner in our book is the Hyundai H1. Yes it is expensive at R690 000, but these vehicles have built up huge confidence here in the last decade as people movers. The combination of 125 kW, which is the most power on tap amongst these three,  400 Nm of low-rev pulling power, and rear wheel-drive, make it a vehicle that is going to keep on delivering effortless service year after year. And A combination of a 7-year/200 000 km mechanical warranty, together with a 5-year/90 000 km service plan, is hard to beat.

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29 Nov, 2020 @ 19:54:24 pm
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Dankie

 

Ek het sedert gesien H1 towing capacity is 1500kg. 

My explorer is

  • Tare (Kg): 1402
  • GVM (Kg): 1650

so dink nie H1 gaan werk nie. Dis nogal jammer. Gedink hy sal lekker sleep

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30 Nov, 2020 @ 10:19:19 am
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Welkom op forum ek het n 2,3 liter petrol microbus gehad awesome sleep voertuig net baieeee swaar gewees op petrol

Haak daai wa kamp bly koning
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30 Nov, 2020 @ 10:53:34 am
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I couldn't quickly find the towing specs for the H1, but I suppose your figure is reliable.  That however, seems a bit low as the bus has at least 120Kw and weighs about 1,900 kilos.  The law would therefore allow you to tow a caravan of 1900 gross weight.  If the manufacturer only allows 1500Kg I would respect this, especially if a warranty is still in place but personally I am sure it will handle a heavier van quite well.

I am a big Kombi fan having driven the 2.1 liter 82 Kw Boxer for nearly thirty years and used it to tow a Sprite Supersport quite excellently. However, if the new Kombi is front wheel driven, I do not think is is the best choice for towing although I would not take it off the short list.  Back wheel drive vehicles are always a better choice especially when the going gets a bit tough such as on a steepish inclined dirt road.

Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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30 Nov, 2020 @ 11:43:30 am
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Ja die H1 gaan nie werk nie. En daar is nogal 'n aardige prys verskil tussen die Hyundai en VW.

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30 Nov, 2020 @ 14:30:11 pm
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We bought a 2019 132KW Kombi and it tows my Exclusive like a dream. 

I only whish I bought this sooner.

Ek werk net om te gaan kamp..
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01 Dec, 2020 @ 05:51:18 am
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We bought a 2019 132KW Kombi and it tows my Exclusive like a dream. 

I only whish I bought this sooner.

Dieter, het jy ontslae geraak van jou Tourag, aangesien daai natuurlik 'n monster is?

Sê dankie vir wat jy in die lewe het.
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01 Dec, 2020 @ 06:26:32 am
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Het gister na die nuwe Ford Tourneo auto gaan kyk. Ook RWD met 

  • Engine: 2.0-litre turbodiesel.
  • Power/Torque: 136 kW/415 Nm.
  • Transmission: 6-speed automatic.
  • Fuel economy: 6.7 L/100km (claimed)

Lyk nogal na goeie opsie

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01 Dec, 2020 @ 09:23:52 am
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Het gister na die nuwe Ford Tourneo auto gaan kyk. Ook RWD met 

  • Engine: 2.0-litre turbodiesel.
  • Power/Torque: 136 kW/415 Nm.
  • Transmission: 6-speed automatic.
  • Fuel economy: 6.7 L/100km (claimed)

Lyk nogal na goeie opsie

Gaan kyk weereens na die Sleep kapasiteit, soos jy gedoen het met die H1. Daar is soveel mense wat slegs na die krag kyk en dit help NIKS as jy NIE so groot/swaar mag sleep nie.

Sê dankie vir wat jy in die lewe het.
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01 Dec, 2020 @ 09:46:44 am
IrEddie
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Het intussen gaan kyk ja. Salesman gese 1900 maar specs op internet se 1000kg so hy is ook uit. 
lyk my dis net die kombi wat in die klas kan sleep. 
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02 Dec, 2020 @ 14:05:27 pm
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Dieter, het jy ontslae geraak van jou Tourag, aangesien daai natuurlik 'n monster is?

Nee nooit nie! Ek sal nooit die V10 verkoop nie. Hy ry nog te lekker.

Ek werk net om te gaan kamp..
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02 Dec, 2020 @ 16:46:22 pm
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Spoke to 2 campers during our camping trip recently - both with VW Combis but separate campers. One had a Penta behind, the other a Bushbaby Off Road. Spoke to them with your request and asked them to respond .... hope they'll do that. However, neither of them could stop talking about the performance of their Combi's. The one with the Bushbaby was a year 2001 1900 Diesel, the other a much newer edition 2.0 liter (Penta behind)

Hope this helps!

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03 Dec, 2020 @ 09:17:31 am
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Just something to think about. A friend of mine has an all wheel drive Hyuandai. On two occasions he had a breakage. The first time he waited almost four months for the parts to be replaced. The second incident, more than a year ago, involves a problem with his rear differential. He can not find a replacement in South Africa and has been driving with his front wheels for all this time. He will have to sell that car without rear wheel drive.

I would go for the VW. A well established organization who will be able to supply any part.

I have the highest regard for the Hyundai and consider it one of the best buys at the moment. But if it comes to pure comfort of mind I would rather look at the established brands.   

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03 Dec, 2020 @ 09:36:45 am
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Ek het nie baie kennis van al Huyndai se karre nie, maar dit wat ek ervaar het met my H100 bakkie, sal ek nie weer my geld uithaal op enige Huyndai produk nie. Miskien was ek ongelukkig, maar dis maar my persoonlike ervaring. Steering meganisme wat op onder 30,000km gebreek het en bakkie wat op minder as 80,000 aan die brand geslaan het was maar van die probleme. Waarborg was van geen nut gewees

WAARSKUWING:

Kampeer is aansteeklik en verslawend 😁
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03 Dec, 2020 @ 09:42:37 am
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Soos ek kan verstaan het Eddie in elk geval die Hyundai en die Ford van sy lysie af, aangesien die voertuie nie die grootte karavaan mag sleep nie.

Sê dankie vir wat jy in die lewe het.
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03 Dec, 2020 @ 09:51:20 am
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Yup. Los net die VW oor. 

enigste probleem is om n 132kw te kry. Daar is geen nuwes in die land nie en nuwe 2nd is hulle baie skaars. 

Sal graag wil hoor hoe sleep die 102kw by iemand wat swaar karavaan sleep. 

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04 Dec, 2020 @ 17:38:35 pm
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Is daar werklik n bussie wat die VW kan klop. Hy is netjies, goed toegerus, betroubaar met goeie handelaars se rugsteun. Bly n goed voel voertuig om te besit.

Ons drink uit die piering want ons koppie loop oor.
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04 Dec, 2020 @ 17:57:43 pm
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Myns insiens die beste bakkie op die mark. Net jammer vorentoe gaan hy ook maar van gemengde afkoms wees, nie dat ek iets teen Ford bakkies het nie- dalk die tweede beste op die markwink.

Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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23 Sep, 2021 @ 08:05:16 am
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At our company we currentlt have the T5 Caravelle, 5 cyl Diesel 128kW Auto, and a newer T5 2.0 BiTDi 132kW 4 Motion. Both Caravelle's tow very well, but the 2.0 tows much better. The 2.0 also has the DSG box, much more responsive than the older Caravelle's box. (I drive the older one everyday). The other day I went and got some compost for my lawn, and I had to buy 1.7cm3 (towing 2tons + with trailer weight), and it towed quite easily. I am not a VW fan at all but will give credit where it is due, they are awesome vehicles.

I have also driven the H1 before - not bad, but not as refined as the VW's. I aqlso drove the Petrol version of the H1, and the power was not all great, but it did not struggle carrying 7 people and luggage in the Freestate from Bloem to Jagersfontein and back.

The Caravelle's are not cheap, they are now sitting close to R1.2M...

Personally I wouldn't choose the Hyundai, as I currently have a 2006 Tucson CRDi, and Hyundai does not stock parts well. I was told to wait 4-6 weeks for a brake hose...really? Luckily the field of work I am in, I got one made while I waited for R350.

I did not know however that the H1 was rear wheel drive, and also came in AWD.

Tip - if you get the Caravelle, try not to opt for the Electric sliding doors, they can be a PITA, one day they work, next day they don,t, then you stand there looking like an idiot trying to close the door manually and then it just pops open again! On a camping trip at 9pm at night, the other campers don't like the "Beep Beep Beep" sound it makes when you open the door. 

Towing - the Caravelle's are awesome - just from my experience.

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23 Sep, 2021 @ 14:30:29 pm
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Maintenance expense wise: I will rather go towards VW, POINT.

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23 Sep, 2021 @ 15:39:47 pm
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Another option is the Ford Tourneo 2.2 Tdci. The Limited model is going for R732 000.

The 2.0 SWB is delivers 136 kw and 415 nm for R780 000.

The Happy Campers.
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23 Sep, 2021 @ 16:18:01 pm
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Ford towing capacity is limited to 1ton. 

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23 Sep, 2021 @ 16:58:44 pm
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Ford towing capacity is limited to 1ton. 

I see that now.

Although the 2.0L CR is more powerful than the 2.2 TDCI which has a towing capacity of 1600 kg.

Strange??

 

The Happy Campers.
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