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04 Jun 2018 @ 12:11:57 pm
Marius76
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Hi,

I am very new into caravaning and recently bought a 1993 Sprite Sport Caravan. I was looking to upgrade my vehicle for towing, but found that my finances doesnt allow much of that. I have a Ford Tourneo Connect Ecoboost. 74 kW and 140Nm torque, according to its specifications. In the specs, it also specifiy that it can tow upto 1000kg. The GVM weight of the caravan is 910kg.

With that being said, has anyone else here used this vehicle or vehicle with similar specs for towing a caravan similar specs?

 

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04 Jun 2018 @ 16:15:48 pm
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I believe this trhead is likely to raise a lot of things to consider, so let's start with my 5 cents worth...

Remember that your towing vehicle is also the one you are likely to use frequently, so if you replace it with something else, make sure you get the same utility value, if you are still going to use if for the same purpose.

Weight fo the vehicle vs the Caravan: Good idea that the towing vehicle is heavier than the caravan.

Diesel vs Petrol: My preference is diesel, from a reduced fuel consumption and torque.

Front-Wheel Drive vs Rear: My preference for towing is rear wheel drive.

Solid axles vs Independent Suspension: Depends on where you are going. If it is going to be rough terrain, my preference is solid axles.

Suspension: Coils springs vs Leaf Springs (comes with a complementy sports brazaier and kidney belt). Leaf springs are good when loaded, but can really provide a rough ride. Some vehicles have a combination... coils springs on the front and leaf on the back.

4 x 4 or 4 x 2: Depends on where you are going. I have 4 x 4 with diff locks front and back. - part-time 4-wheel drive. Some vehicle are Full Time 4WD. Traction is amazing.

Aftersales Service: Very important - make sure that whomever maintains your vehicle can be trusted.

That all being said, a station wagon like a Fortuner or an Everest. These offer more utility vale than a bakkie.

Manual vs Automatic: My age old preference...

Power: 110 - 130kw is great. You might have a yard stick such as being able to maintain 80km/h going up van Reenen's pass.

Where budget is a constraint, consider a second hand.

I bought my VX80 5 years ago (1997 model) for R 145,000 and was reluctant to let it go - what an amazing vehicle, as old as it was! Was replact by a 76 - not much more than a GX or VX 200 that can tow that well.

Good luck with your search. I am keen to see what other caravaners say!

 

So, lots to consider....

 

 

 

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04 Jun 2018 @ 19:14:49 pm
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Marius76, you can tow anything with anything as long as it is legal, I guess.

I am sure your car will tow the van, just do not expect to break any land speed records.

If it is a manual, try not to use 5th gear that much. Rather use a lower gear and keep rpm up.

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04 Jun 2018 @ 19:40:59 pm
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Hi

The first item to look at is that the gvm of the towed vehicle does not exceed the tare of the towing vehicle.Irespective of what the spec of the towing vehicle says this is law.If it exceeds then a few other factors come into play such as electric brakes ,vacuum systems and all this is over and above the run in system on the vehicle that is built in if it exceeds gvm of 750 kg. In your case your Ford tare must be greater than 910kg.

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05 Jun 2018 @ 06:57:31 am
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Marius there are various vehicles out there that can tow your caravan.  We had a forum member that towed his caravan with a Chef Sonic if I remember correctly. And he did it successfully and probably is still towing with it now.

As stated above make sure, and it seams that you are, within the law concerning the weight of your vehicle and caravan.  Remember that the best tow speed is between 90 - 110km/h on level road.  So if your vehicle can do that without  pushing to hard, no problem you will get to your destination.

Fact is, you must make the journey part of the holiday. The moment you get behind the steering you are on leave and take the road as it comes. Normally one would drive from JHB to Durban in one day. We did it in 1,5 days. Towed the first day up to Pietermaritzburg over night there and the following day we were at our destination before 11h00.

Doing it this way you can actually pull a caravan with a Fiat 500 because you are in no hurry.

So no need for speed.......... if your vehicle is within the law towing your caravan make the most of it.  My brother always says.................. "Enjoy the ride"........ getting there is just as nice as being there.

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05 Jun 2018 @ 07:08:38 am
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Thanks for all the feedback. This makes me feel more assured. I am also in the process of confirming with Ford itself, however, I do believe it wouldnt be a problem. The caravan is, as per law, equipped with a brake system and my car is heavier than 910kg. Therefore I am within the parameters of the law. I am also never in a hurry to reach my destination, as I also believe that a holiday starts with the trip towards your destination. I just didnt want to get stuck in a place like Van Reenens... 

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05 Jun 2018 @ 07:40:16 am
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Marius you can check for your self if the vehicle can tow the caravan according to manufacturer spcification.

Look on the Identification plate of the vehicle normally somewhere under the hood or a sticker in the frame of one of the doors. There you normally will find 4 weights listed. The heaviest one is the Gross Combined Mass (GCM) something like 4550Kg. This is what your vehicle fully laden and trailer fully laden combined may weigh.  Second heaviest is the Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM) example 2350Kg of your vehicle. This is what your vehicle by itself, fully laden, may weigh.

The others are weight limits for front and rear axle.

So if you subtract the GVM from the GCM you will have the weight specified by the manufacturer (Ford) what the vehicle may tow. In the example above 4550 - 2350 = 2200. Thus the vehicle in the example can tow a caravan off which the GVM does not exceed 2200Kg. Remember that this is the spec of the manufacturer and this DATA will be used if your combination is pulled of at a weighbridge.

Do not forget about regulation 153 of the road trafic act that states that a vehicle may not tow a caravan/trailer/other vehicle if the GVM of it exceeds the tara of the tow vehicle unless it is fitted with extra service brakes.

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05 Jun 2018 @ 08:09:01 am
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Thx Leon. I will definitely have a look this afternoon. 

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05 Jun 2018 @ 10:09:33 am
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Marius there are various vehicles out there that can tow your caravan.  We had a forum member that towed his caravan with a Chef Sonic if I remember correctly. And he did it successfully and probably is still towing with it now.

As stated above make sure, and it seams that you are, within the law concerning the weight of your vehicle and caravan.  Remember that the best tow speed is between 90 - 110km/h on level road.  So if your vehicle can do that without  pushing to hard, no problem you will get to your destination.

Fact is, you must make the journey part of the holiday. The moment you get behind the steering you are on leave and take the road as it comes. Normally one would drive from JHB to Durban in one day. We did it in 1,5 days. Towed the first day up to Pietermaritzburg over night there and the following day we were at our destination before 11h00.

Doing it this way you can actually pull a caravan with a Fiat 500 because you are in no hurry.

So no need for speed.......... if your vehicle is within the law towing your caravan make the most of it.  My brother always says.................. "Enjoy the ride"........ getting there is just as nice as being there.

Nie meer nie Leon. Het nou Audi A1 1.6Ti. Het my opvou karavaan af gesleep Mosselbaai toe - brandstof gebruik 21.5 km per liter. Was 'n droom om weer te sleep en het werklik nie iets agter gevoel nie.

Het van Sonic ontslae geraak op 282 000 km toe Chev ontrek het. Was in vir gasket by handelaar in Klerksdorp vir 5 maande. Toe ek dit terug kry het dit skielik grook .... nie 'n probleem gewees voor dit in is nie. Was nie bereid om so met 'n handelaar te sukkel sonder vervaardiger se ondersteuning nie. Anders het ek dit nog gehad.! Het selfs hul leen voertuig skoon uit waarborg gery!

Vir leser se onthalwe, sal jy seker onthou ek het dieselfde Caravette 6gesleep met VW Polo 1.4.

Het dit nog nie met Audi gesleep nie. Maar glo sal goed doen met ekstra NM.

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05 Jun 2018 @ 13:33:28 pm
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Hey David welcome back. Long time no hear.....................!?!?!?!

Con grats with the upgrade to the Audi.

Fact is you can provide a lot of pointers towing with a small car.

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06 Jun 2018 @ 12:10:16 pm
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Do not forget that caravan weight specs do not include any extras supplied with the van (eg tents, batteries, etc.) plus you must add all groceries, luggage, etc. 

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06 Jun 2018 @ 12:26:42 pm
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As Peter indicated the Tara weight of your caravan is with nothing on the inside you must even remove the matress and bunk cussions. If I remember correctly that is what was given when the weigh bridge issue was discussed.

So you will find that it is very easy to overload your caravan.

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06 Jun 2018 @ 12:47:34 pm
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Dankie, dit was op die punt van my tong om te vra wat die GVM en Tare nou eintlik is. Wat dit eintlik nou se is dat jy nie veel in jou karavan kan laai, behalwe die yskas en stoof wat reeds daar is nie. My karavan se Tare is 750kg en die GVM is 910kg. M.a.w. Ek kan 160kg minus die gewig van die meubels en borde inlaai. 

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06 Jun 2018 @ 13:11:02 pm
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Dankie, dit was op die punt van my tong om te vra wat die GVM en Tare nou eintlik is. Wat dit eintlik nou se is dat jy nie veel in jou karavan kan laai, behalwe die yskas en stoof wat reeds daar is nie. My karavan se Tare is 750kg en die GVM is 910kg. M.a.w. Ek kan 160kg minus die gewig van die meubels en borde inlaai. 

Dis soos jy sê behalwe die yskas en microgolf is darem by die Tara ingesluit. 

Dit is een van die redes waarom sommige karavaan eienaars karavane laat oor weeg het en her-registreer het. Hulle wou nie sukkel sou hulle by 'n weegbrug afgetrek word nie.

Dit was 'n manier van die fabriek om die GVM van die karavane laer te hou sodat selfs mense met 'n kleiner voertuig karavane gekoop het. Dus meer karavane is verkoop want mens sou mos nie 'n karavaan koop as jou voertuig hom gewigs gewys nie kon sleep nie.

Toe Sensation net uitgekom het was die vervaardiger (Riaan) gevra hoekom is Sensation so swaar en Jurgens so lig. Sy antwoord toe was dat Jurgens se gewigte nie reg is nie.  Paasnaweek drie jaar terug toe die weegbrug naby Brits oppad Rustenburg toe karavane aftrek om te weeg toe tref die pôpô die fan.

Wonder of iemand al 'n nuwe Jurgens gekoop het sodat ons kan vergelyk wat is die gewig van die waens nou.

 

 

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07 Jun 2018 @ 20:38:35 pm
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Marius my inset is dat ek baie lekker gesleep het toe ek amper dieselfde woonwa gehad het en met 'n Opel Monza gesleep het. Ja die Landy sleep my volhoogte woonwa baie lekker en mens voel dalk meer gerus maar my Caravette 6L is lekker gesleep. Soos jy noem mens hoef nie seker te maak dat jy Van Reenen teen 80 kan uitkom nie. Daar gaan so baie vragmotors wees en vat dit net rustig.

Wat gewigte aan betref sal dit raadsaam wees om hom met amper niks in te laat weeg en dan jou bagasie te weeg soos jy inpak. Maak 'n lysie dat as jy iets uitlaat dat jy weet met wat kan jy dit vervang om steeds binne die GVM te bly. Sodoende kan jy seker maak dat jy nie die GVM oorskry nie. Ek glo jy sal vind dat jy minder as 160kg se goed kan inlaai.

Leon ek dink mens kan jou maklik misgis met die Chev Sonic. Sy tare was hier om en by 1250kg(diesel) as ek reg onthou en ek was verbaas want die Opel Monza 2L Cli was maar 1036kg.

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07 Jun 2018 @ 22:06:42 pm
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Marius, as ek reg kan onthou was my Polo Vivo 1.4 net 1017kg en Caravette 6 is 974kg (ongelukkig nie by huis om seker te maak nie). Ongeag, daar was nie veel verskil nie.

Ek het "geen" probleem met gewig gehad nie. Al probleem wat ek met Polo kon hê was versnelling bokant 90km per uur. Maar dit was die kar wat ek vir daaglikse gebruik gehad het en moes karavaan daar volgens koop. Ek het geen probleem om slegs 80 kpu te sleep nie en Polo was goed genoeg.

Met tyd vervang ek dit met die Sonic .... kleiner engin en soos bo genoem swaarder .... en omdat dit diesel was, sterker. 

Die forum het my leer ken as die ou wat met "klein" karre sleep.

My Audi is 1060kg (ligter as Sonic) en het ek geen twyfel dat dit goed sal sleep nie met meer nm.

Solank kar se tarra groter is as karavaan se gvm (soos vvorgeskryf) vertrou ek dat jy oor die weg sal kom. In die ou einde wie gee regtig om hoe vinnig jy by jou bestemming kom .... solank jy veilig daar kom.

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07 Jun 2018 @ 22:14:38 pm
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Here is something else that I have never shared with the foum.

Caravan and Outdoor life magazine published my letter in their August 1986 issue about towing a Gypsey 5 with a Mercedes 240d.

Their comment was that they fealt sorry for the guy in his Ferrari behind me ..... I did not care about him .... he had enough power to pass quickly and easily. My concern was rather that poor guy in his Mini Minor who would try and overtake and get stuck next to me when he runs out of power and acceleration.

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08 Jun 2018 @ 07:19:45 am
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Here is something else that I have never shared with the foum.

Caravan and Outdoor life magazine published my letter in their August 1986 issue about towing a Gypsey 5 with a Mercedes 240d.

Their comment was that they fealt sorry for the guy in his Ferrari behind me ..... I did not care about him .... he had enough power to pass quickly and easily. My concern was rather that poor guy in his Mini Minor who would try and overtake and get stuck next to me when he runs out of power and acceleration.

Hehehehe. Hy moet maar wag vir die insny baan. Of maak soos die groot trokke op die N1 tussen bloem en colesberg. Overtake op die dubbelpad gedeelte en vergeet v.d. vinniger verkeer.

 

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08 Jun 2018 @ 08:18:59 am
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Dankie vir almal se insette. Ek het intussen met Ford SA gekontak en hulle het gese die Ford Tourneo Connect  sal my karavaan kan sleep, mits ek by die spesifikasies hou. Hulle se ook ek moet nie oor 100km/h sleep nie. My idee was in elkgeval nie om vinniger as 80km/h te sleep nie.

My predikant het my ook moed ingepraat. Hy het n VW Syncro en sleep sy dubbel-as karavaan al vir 5jr met gemak. Hy se mens roer maar net bietjie pap teen die bulte en gaan nie in te hoe rat nie en reken maar n ekstra uur of so in op jou trip.

Ek sit vlg week my haak op. Net onmenslik duur, omdat ek dit by Ford self laat opsit, sodat die sway control sensors geaktiveer moet word in die werkswinkel. Maar nou ja. Ek sien uit na my eerste trippie.

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08 Jun 2018 @ 09:01:15 am
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Marius, Jou houding is reg.  Soms gebeur dit dat 'n mens op 'n sekere tyd êrens moet wees as jy sleep, maar dit is beter om sulke onstandighede te vermy.  Met 'n karavaan agter jou, behoort jy die reis netsoveel te geniet as die bestemming.  Ons land is vol interessanthede, so gaan geniet hulle oppad.  Daar is oral karavaanparke en die privaat parke is meestal van aanvaarbare kwaliteit, slaap oor al is die bestemming nie ver nie en bestee bietjie tyd om na museums en ander interessanthede oppad te gaan kyk. Ons het begin sleep met 'n Peogeot 5.4 met 60 Kw en 'n Sprite Supersport en het geen probleme ondervind nie. Toe met 'n Opel Record van 70Kw en die ding was "useless" dit wys jou krag is nie alles nie. Vertel ons mettertyd hoe jy dit ondervind.

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