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The need for a stabiliser?

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11 Oct 2016 @ 10:23:01 am
Tom Sainsbury
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I have towed caravans for about 40 years now and that precedes the existence of stabilisers. From the start I found that if the weight distribution of the caravan is correct it is stable in all conditions.
For a while I owned a caravan that swayed badly when I exceeded 80km/h. It did not matter how I distributed the weight, I could not rectify the sway. I bought a Tando which was the stabiliser of choice at the time to see if that would help. It did not.
I later found that the adjustable wheel alignment was way out. On rectifying that, the swaying was gone forever. I was very pleased & decided to try it without the stabiliser. It remained steady as a rock, so I discontinued it's use.
On Saturday, I towed my latest caravan (an old Jurgens Classique) for 500 odd km in heavy side and diagonal, gusty wind. The whole combination was stable and easy to control.
The only time I can feel movement is when I am overtaken by a faster vehicle. When the air that they are displacing hits the caravan it is felt & a minor correction has to be made.
I therefore believe that if the wheel alignment is correct, tyre pressure is correct & the van is properly packed,there is no need for a stabiliser.
Ok, I have my hard hat on. Your thoughts please.
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11 Oct 2016 @ 11:42:38 am
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Tom I agree with you, the stabilisers on the market are just tools to help whilst towing. Make no mistake, they do help curb the sway faster than when towing with out them. My father has been towing from 1963 with out a stabiliser and has only had a problem once due to cross winds.

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11 Oct 2016 @ 11:56:10 am
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I agree. However:

There are 2 items in my car that i would NEVER like to try out:

1. Safetybelts

2. Airbags

So I prefer to tow with a stabiliser.

At last !!!!
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11 Oct 2016 @ 13:06:07 pm
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Grumpy I whole heartedly agree. Some 28 years ago we had one hell of an accident with a caravan. We were lucky enough to survive even though my wife had some very serious injuries therefore "liewer bang Jan as dooie Jan". F1 one had the same resistance to the helmet restraints until the biggest non-supporter of the restraints was killed by whiplash now everyone uses it. Moenie wag tot dit te laat is nie.
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11 Oct 2016 @ 13:19:17 pm
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Tom even though you are not wrong in saying that a stabilusers do not fix a problem,  they however do assist when you have to side step obsticles or sudden swerving movements.

One should never see a stabiliser as a "fix my swaying" item, it is as mentioned above, the true purpose of a stabiliser, is for when something goes wrong, you will indeed be glad to have one.

 

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11 Oct 2016 @ 13:39:24 pm
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Hi Tom,

Agree 100% with your statements and reasoning.

The second very important reason why I do use one is for insurance purposes. In all good intent one pays your premiums every month and the day something actually goes wrong, the insurers (all of them ????) will make sure their inspectors get A reason NOT to pay up.

I do not want to end up in such a situation because of my own ignorance.

Yes, Yes, nowere in most policy documentation a stabiliser is requred, but if they were not necessary why are they sold or developed?

Just asking ????

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11 Oct 2016 @ 14:05:02 pm
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Andre, to your very valid point about insurance. No caravan is fitted as standard with stabalizers nor is it required in any gazetted law that a stabalizer must be fitted (that is why it is not standard) As far as I know, there is also no scientific evidence that a stabalizer has saved lives. If that did exist it would be compulsory.

I must say I have not really noticed much of a difference with or without the stabalizer, but I have only towed once or twice without it. What makes a massive difference, is weight distribution and tyre pressure.

The previous owner of my Penta had a rear clearance problem in his driveway. He replaced the rear steadies with a massive square tube contraption which facilitated side crank down steadies...like the ones used on off-road vans. This added 30Kg to the rear and made the caravan very unstable above 100km/h. I took all this off and put standard steadies back....problem solved.

Having said all that, I always tow with a Tando for peace of mind. In KNP I tow without.

Groete,
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11 Oct 2016 @ 14:06:19 pm
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Gents I personally think that stabilisers were developed  as a tool to improve or assist while towing, and as a tool to ease ones mind. I am not saying or advocating one should not use them( I have a yellow blade, and dont tow with out it). But as mentioned above rather "bang Jan than doeie Jan". I believe they make it easier to correct a sway, and also make the connection between the car and van a bit more ridged, which in turn assists with handeling.

One thing that concernes me though is with the connection being more ridged, are the chances to have the whole combination flip in adverse conditions not more likely?

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11 Oct 2016 @ 14:15:35 pm
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Gents I personally think that stabilisers were developed  as a tool to improve or assist while towing, and as a tool to ease ones mind. I am not saying or advocating one should not use them( I have a yellow blade, and dont tow with out it). But as mentioned above rather "bang Jan than doeie Jan". I believe they make it easier to correct a sway, and also make the connection between the car and van a bit more ridged, which in turn assists with handeling.

One thing that concernes me though is with the connection being more ridged, are the chances to have the whole combination flip in adverse conditions not more likely?

Yes the connection is a bit more ridged from left to right but if something happens the arm of the stabiliser can still slip of the bracket or lift of the bracket in a tip over scenario.

We must just remember that the stabilizer in any case will try to eliminate the possibility of such a dangerous sway.

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11 Oct 2016 @ 14:25:45 pm
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Tom, I am in complete agreement with you: your caravan should not sway and if it does, look for the reason and correct it- do not try a quick fix like adding a stabiliser- which if it is a friction type, will not word anyway. No harm will be done by adding one though- I think, except that you might have a false sense of security. The resistance in a friction type of stabiliser to the swaying is just too little to have any effect. The only one which one shold consider is you really want to, is the Trapizium as this actually has the ability to steer the caravan out of a sway. I do have a Tando which I bought when I started caravanning, but I haven't used it for near four decades as the effort to connect it measured against the fact that it just cannot do what it purports to do, is just not worth the effort.



Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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11 Oct 2016 @ 14:31:04 pm
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Tom, I am in complete agreement with you: your caravan should not sway and if it does, look for the reason and correct it- do not try a quick fix like adding a stabiliser- which if it is a friction type, will not word anyway. No harm will be done by adding one though- I think, except that you might have a false sense of security. The resistance in a friction type of stabiliser to the swaying is just too little to have any effect. The only one which one shold consider is you really want to, is the Trapizium as this actually has the ability to steer the caravan out of a sway. I do have a Tando which I bought when I started caravanning, but I haven't used it for near four decades as the effort to connect it measured against the fact that it just cannot do what it purports to do, is just not worth the effort.



You did not mention the Straightliner that work completely different than the rest and is regarded as arguably the best available stabiliser.
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11 Oct 2016 @ 14:48:01 pm
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Tom you mentioned that on Saturday you towed your caravan "in heavy side and diagonal, gusty wind. The whole combination was stable and easy to control. The only time I can feel movement is when I am overtaken by a faster vehicle".

Heavy side and diagonal gusty winds sounds by far more stronger than the wind a passing vehicle would make? (When the air that they are displacing hits the caravan)

I also tow with a stabilizer.



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11 Oct 2016 @ 15:12:15 pm
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Piet, Ek ken die Staightliner gladnie. As 'n mens nie in 'n artikel belangstel nie, doen jy nie juis navorsing daaroor die. Ek het vinnig op internet gaan kyk en dit lyk my dit werk naastenby op dieselfde beginsel as die Trapisium, naamlik om die karavaan terug na reguit te stuur as dit sou swaai- reg? Dit lyk net na 'n meer gesofistikeerde ontwerp, maar as dit soos 'n T werk, glo ek dit sal werk. Lyk nogal duur!
Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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11 Oct 2016 @ 15:13:13 pm
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Also see the article by Trapezium Developments:

http://www.campworldsbig5.co.za/users/admin/images/Stabilizers.pdf

Groete,
Paul
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11 Oct 2016 @ 15:37:02 pm
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A properly loaded caravan with no mechanical defects should not sway. However, a stabilizer adds another extra level of safety.

You don't need your safety belts, crumple zones or airbags until you collide with something.

Under normal circumstances you don't need ABS or traction control.

You don't need a stabilizer until a sway actually develops.......

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11 Oct 2016 @ 15:41:31 pm
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Straight liner het n "shock" i.p.v. friction pads and dit druk die meganism om die hele trein in n reguit lyn te hou. Dis bedoel vir groter waens.

En nee ek gebruik dit nie. Het n straightliner. Die bracket aan die A-raam gaan gedugrig los of haak aan n hobbel... dan beskadig dit die A-raam cover.
Nou los ek hom maar af.. met geen verskil.
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11 Oct 2016 @ 15:57:35 pm
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I refrain from taking part in a debate regarding this topic as I am quite technically retarded. However, I do have a Tando (since 1994) and I use it. Whether it's contributing to my van's stable towing - I will not know. But as I have the Tando, I use it. It maybe like the story of the old man who picked up the hitch-hiker. Every few kilometres the old man would throw some powder out of the car. The curious hitch-hiker asked him what it was and the old man said it's lion powder. The hitch-hiker asked what it's for and the old man replied it is to keep the lions off the road. When the hitch-hiker said "but there are no lions here", the old man replied: "It shows you how good it is". Maybe the caravan will not sway without the use of the Tando, but I am still throwing out the lion powder.

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11 Oct 2016 @ 16:02:05 pm
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My probleem is nie of jy met of sonder dit sleep nie. My probleem is of jy kan hanteer wat ook al verkeerd gaan.

Ek het die laaste 9 jaar meer as n Miljoen km gery SONDER n ongeluk. (touch wood ..en my vinger is teen my kop)  Maak dit van my n goeie bestuurder? Nee, nie volgens assuransie nie. Ek is n hoe risiko. Ek betaal meer vir lewens versekering en kort termyn versekering want ek is die heeltyd op die pad!

Ek weet van een persoon wat met n klein motortjie sleep en dit is DR Drake. Sit aan ESP PSP DCD of wat jy ookal wil, ek sal dit nooit kan doen nie. (hy sleep met 1.2 dieseltjie)

As hierdie manne by my verby kom teen 130km/h met sy dubbelas wa ( en moerse Land/Range Rover) sonder n stabiliseerder, dan raak ek bang. As iets verkeerd gaan, is EK poer des merdos!!!!!!

Glo my, die stads manne sien dit nie raak nie, maar ek "dare" jou om te kyk wat gaan aan op n Vrydag middag van 12H00 af op die snelweg van Pta na Nylstroom.

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11 Oct 2016 @ 16:18:19 pm
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Hannes stem heeltemal met jou. Daai ding werk en die heeltyd as jy ry. Ek verseker wie ook al jy sal die verskil voel as iets gebeur en jy het n ver beter kans om beter ander kant uit te kom as jy hom het, so ter wille van jou familie en ander rondom jou stel ek voor hak hom in.

Wie nog nie gesien het hoe dit lyk as n karavaan val wil ek jou se dit is n lelike gesig. Ek moes my neef in Pietersburg gaan help het na sy wa geval het. Almal in die hospitaal en kinders was in die veld opgetel. gelukkig het almal oorleef. 

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11 Oct 2016 @ 17:09:59 pm
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Stem, gebruik maar stabiliseerder. Net soos genoem.. ABS remme word nie heeltyd gebruik nie. Jy kan ry sonder kragstuur, jy kan ook ry sonder aircon... het ook nie altyd n mover nodig nie, het ook nie n spaarwiel nodig nie, die kans is mos min dat jy dit hoef te gebruik...? dankie, maar n stabiliseerder help defnitief in moeilike situasies.. al raak dinfe onstabiel, is jou kanse net beter.. ons kan almal baie stabiel en veilig sleep teen 60km/h... 


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11 Oct 2016 @ 18:33:19 pm
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My Tando is "MY" assuransie en nie die versekeringsmaatskappy sn nie. Ek weet nie of hy my al ooit gehelp het of nie. Ek sal hom bly aansit. Nie omdat hy moet keer dat my wa swaai nie,want dit behoort nie te gebeur as alles reg is nie,maar net om my gemoedsrus te gee dat as iets sou gebeur het ek darem alles van my kant gedoen wat ek kon. Net so sit ek getrou die veiligheidsketting om die bal......ek is seker ek het hom ook nog nooit nodig gehad nie. Ek hoop en BID dat ek nooit enigeen van die twee sal nodig he nie.....maar wie weet.
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11 Oct 2016 @ 20:15:36 pm
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 Verbeelding of nie. As my stabiliseerder aan is voel dit beter as wanneer dit af is wanneer groot trokke verby kom. Gebruik myne selfs as ek 40km vêr sleep op naweke. 

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12 Oct 2016 @ 08:27:03 am
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Ek het nou so bang geraak ek het myne' sommer gisteraand ge-tourque.

Sien ook die nutste wegsleep vir n' interesante artiekel oor stabiliseerders.

Groete,
Paul
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12 Oct 2016 @ 09:48:04 am
Tom Sainsbury
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Thank you for the interesting & valued input.
Further research to be done.
Decisions to be made.
Blessings,
Tom
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12 Oct 2016 @ 11:16:59 am
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Nou is ek bly ek het besluit om een te laat aanbring voor ek begin sleep. Dankie vir almal se insette.
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12 Oct 2016 @ 11:46:39 am
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You did not mention the Straightliner that work completely different than the rest and is regarded as arguably the best available stabiliser.

I agree with Piet Loubser, - I have tried all the other stabilizers, and although the Straightliner is more expensive, I feel that you can't put price above the safety of yourself and your family. In my opinion it is definitely the best option of all the stabilizers. It is not only meant for heavy caravans or boat trailers - I have used it on my Sprite Sport and am using it at present on my Gypsey Rhapsody, It works like a dream.
Oom Koos, not sure where you take your Jurgens to, but I have never had that problem with the bracket on the A-Frame of my van. Maybe your bracket has bee fitted incorrectly or your van is too much nose-down and is digging in ?
Piet Goosen, glad you added your comment - I think exactly like you do, the minute that I hitch up the caravan, I think safety and peace-of-mind first.
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12 Oct 2016 @ 15:30:00 pm
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Ja nee wat. As ek uitry by die hek met "Pophuis" agteraan dan wil Joanie weet - "Het jy die Tando aangesit?"

Ek gebruik dit liewers onnodiglik as wat ek dit wel benodig en dis nie daar nie. Dits is soos my vuurwapen - beter om een te he en die te gebruik nie, as om dit te benodig en ek het nie een nie!

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18 Oct 2016 @ 05:41:29 am
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Ek het elektriese remme op my Sensation laat installeer.
Dis die BPW stelsel en ek het ook hulle sleephak met ingeboude remme.
Die remstelsel briek kwaai as dit aktiveer
Op my laaste trippie Marekele toe het dit 3x gebeur agv die padoppervlaktes.
Jy besef nie eers iets is fout nie.
Die lorries wat verby kom op smal paaie veroorsaak hewige rukwinde . Maak my bang
Ek wil nie 'n statistiek word nie.
Ons ouer manne moet besef ons reaksies is nie meer soos toe ons jonk was nie. My vrou herinner my gereeld aan dit.
Daarvoor moet gekompenseer word met die stelses.
Dis duur maar wat is die prys van julle veiligheid.Almal vervang bande voor dit die wetlike afsnypunt bereik.
Ek doen dit so.
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