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Spare Wheel - to have or not to have, that is the question.

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07 Jun 2016 @ 17:14:35 pm
Tom Sainsbury
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I have been caravaning since I was about 9 years old. That is more than 50 years. Until a few months ago we never had a spare wheel. Also never had a flat. The thought crossed my mind, is it a necessity? The other day I took the spare wheel out to check its condition & was horrified at how bulky it is and how much it weighs. That started a chain of thought which (at this stage) has me leaning towards leaving it at home.
Part of my standard tool kit is a small but capable 12v compressor. I'm thinking I should add to this a puncture repair kit and pressure monitors for vehicle and caravan wheels. This is much lighter and less bulky than the spare tyre.
Please share your thoughts on this.
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07 Jun 2016 @ 17:22:44 pm
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You must consider the condition of some of our roads these days.surprised  We would never want to go on the road without a spare.  Rather leave something else at home.  Especially if you are going to be travelling full time.

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07 Jun 2016 @ 17:28:26 pm
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I have had a tyre failure once every second year. Mostly, because the driver does not notice the tyre going flat, the tyre is a right off. The tyres were Goodyear 165/13 C (6 ply) on my Gypsey Raven. 3 years ago I fitted Hi Fly 165/13 C (8 ply) tyres and had no problems with them. I sold the caravan in March.

A good idea is to have tyre pressure monitors, an electric pump and tyre repair kit. Catch it before it is flat and fix the puncture and then pump it up again. Then you dont have expensive replacement and even repair costs.

I would never go without a spare tyre.

 

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07 Jun 2016 @ 17:29:19 pm
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I must admit that in my more than 40years of caravaning I never had a flat tyre. But at the same time I agree with Freda that I wouldn't dare driving without a spare. It is like a stabilizer..... there for your peace of mind. Maybe and hopefully you never need it......but it is there for that........day.
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07 Jun 2016 @ 17:37:48 pm
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Ons het papwiel gehad in suidwes sonder spaar gelukig paar vans saam so een kon ry om te gaan soek 400km trip.

Jare later kamp ons by louws en een lid se hy gaan vroeg ry so 10 uur hy moet gaan werk en ek het hom langs die pad gekry so 3 uur die middag waar hy gestaan het met papwiel. So ek laai hom maar eerder.
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07 Jun 2016 @ 17:57:06 pm
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Never had a flat tyre....... until one trip where between Natal and Mpumalanga where I had three!!! Two of the tyres needed to be replaced.

Now the minimum equipment is a spare tyre, hydraulic jack, tyre repair kit and a compressor.

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07 Jun 2016 @ 18:12:39 pm
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I suppose the same applies for a vehicle, would you drive without a spare ? Once we rented a car in the UK, had a flat, and was horrified to find a pump and repair kit instead of a sprarewheel. Must admit, it did work.
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07 Jun 2016 @ 18:19:05 pm
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As gewig die probleem is los ek eerder my vrou by die huis as spaarwiel laughing

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07 Jun 2016 @ 18:35:56 pm
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Thanks for your thoughts. I will research the feasibility of changing the heavy steal rim for a lighter alloy one on the spare. Then I might feel a bit better about it.
The Bible says: Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed.
Proverbs 15:22
I have heard you.
I know that my redeemer lives.
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07 Jun 2016 @ 19:31:40 pm
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Is insurance necessary? Had a flat at Bushbuck Ridge fortunately had a spare not a place to be stranded.Carry my spare in towing vehicle. Graham Strachan
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07 Jun 2016 @ 19:36:51 pm
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Prevention is beter than cure. And I take presure monitors as part of that. But on a heavy caravan in some cases 1,5tons on only two wheel chances are that the wheel is a wright off by the time you get a safe spot to stop.

I already have all the tools and things you suggest but in the end I will never leave the spare wheel at home.

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07 Jun 2016 @ 19:37:14 pm
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As gewig die probleem is los ek eerder my vrou by die huis as spaarwiel laughing

Ai, Jan is dit nou mooi?surprisedlaughing  Ons arme vrouens.kiss

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07 Jun 2016 @ 19:53:35 pm
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As gewig vir jou n probleem is en dit is jou nood weet ek nie.

Erens het jy n skroef los.

Ek hoop nie ek kry jou langs die pad staan sonder n nood wiel, veral laat aand in n gevaarlike gebied, sien of jy jou vrou alleen sal los en jy saam my ry om jou wiel te gaan regmaak.

Hoe dom kan jy wees.
As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

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07 Jun 2016 @ 20:23:56 pm
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Agreed- a spare wheel is a must. Murphy's Law states that as soon as you have discarded your spare, you WILL have a flat. It would have been nice if I could have used the useless marie biscuit wheel that came with my car, as a spare for the caravan, but unfortunately it does not fit. Logically I carry a full size spare.

Why do Ford and others issue these wheels as standard? But I am digressing.
Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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07 Jun 2016 @ 21:19:07 pm
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The spare goes with even when we camp 60 km from home. It is like insurance. A necessary evil!

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07 Jun 2016 @ 22:07:28 pm
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At one stage while towing a Sprite Sport, I notice from my side mirror that the caravan tyre was shedding rubber. I stopped at a safe spot and found the tyre was showing bare canvas, was smoking and air was escaping. An air compressor and puncture repair kit would have been useless (even though I had this equipment on board) My spare wheel saved the day. Well done Tom for seeking advice, rather than taking a chance.

 

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08 Jun 2016 @ 06:56:03 am
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At one stage while towing a Sprite Sport, I notice from my side mirror that the caravan tyre was shedding rubber. I stopped at a safe spot and found the tyre was showing bare canvas, was smoking and air was escaping. An air compressor and puncture repair kit would have been useless (even though I had this equipment on board) My spare wheel saved the day. Well done Tom for seeking advice, rather than taking a chance.

 

Ja this is also something to remember. That a wheel does not always go flat they could loose the thread  as well. And then puncture kit and compressor will do you no good.

Thanx for pointing this out Cowen

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08 Jun 2016 @ 06:57:17 am
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Hi Tom...

I've got a whole heap of flat tyre recovery gear... just ask round...

Ain't no pump gonna solve this mess.. Blowout on the way to Bloemhof...

Carry the spare.... It's worth the pain... Someday...

Slightly quicker downhill....
These days a teeny-tiny bit more slightly quicker....
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08 Jun 2016 @ 08:26:21 am
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Ek het ook al die nodige goed in my bakkie en n spaar vir die karavaan en bakkie sal eerder nie daarsonder nie. Het nog nooit n pap wiel gehad nie en hoop dit gebeur ook nie in die toekoms nie, maar met ons paaie is als moontlik. Het ook al gekyk na daardie "goedjies" wat monitor of jy druk verloor op n wiel maar als kos n arm en n been, so ook n band.
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08 Jun 2016 @ 09:25:27 am
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Ek het so 5 jaar terug 26 Desember op pad Rietspruit dam toe so, blow out gekry, geen spare gelukige was ons twee vans so ek kon ry om n ander band te soek maar ek moet se dit was moelik en het lank geneem om weer te kon ry ek neem nou ook eerder n spaar wiel saam.
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08 Jun 2016 @ 09:26:39 am
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We have each 2 spare wheels....

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08 Jun 2016 @ 10:14:46 am
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Voorsorg is beter as nasorg sorry dont no how to say this in engels
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08 Jun 2016 @ 10:38:25 am
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Shaun, "prevention is better than cure".  laughinglaughing   Maar jy is reg.  Ek persoonlik dink dit is onverantwoordelik om sonder 'n ordentlike spaarwiel op die pad te gaan.  Wie sê daar gaan iemand kom om jou te help.  En daar staan jy gestrand, jy kan aangeval en beroof word, of selfs erger! 

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08 Jun 2016 @ 11:05:09 am
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Het al genoeg pad wiele op karre gehad, nog nooit op karavaan nie.

My wa se spaar wiel was nog nooit uit sy kassie nie, en is al oor sy verval datum, omdat dit heeltemal toe is, en deuglik beskerm, sal ek maar die kans vat en dit nie vervang nie, hoop maar ek kry dit nie nodig nie.

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08 Jun 2016 @ 11:11:20 am
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Ons het al meer as 100 000 kilos gery met karavaan afgelope 6 jaar en baie dankbaar nog nooit n papwiel gegad nie. Ook nie wheelbearings nie.
Tog ry ek n spaarwiel en n spaarwheelbearing kit saam. En n tassie met spanners. En n boor. En n boksie skroewe. En n riveter. En what else.
Mag van gewoonte.
Maar ek dink dis nodig om dit saam te ry.

Wat van wheelbearings. Julle sal nie glo hoeveel waens ek al gekry het wat die hele wiel met drom en al uitgekom het nie. Kyk die mense nie na hulle wheelbearings nie. Jy hoef nie onnodig te vervang en oorpak nie, maar check hulle net.
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08 Jun 2016 @ 12:48:40 pm
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Very good advice, Oom Koos - so true about the wheelbearing issue. I am glad to see that you have all that equipment on board. No problem for you if you break down somewhere.This is where all your camping experience and knowledge come in so handy.

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08 Jun 2016 @ 13:03:48 pm
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For me a spare wheel for the vehicle and for the caravan is a must. And as discussed, a hydraulic jack and trestles are aways in my bakkie.
Geniet die lewe so lank as jy kan
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08 Jun 2016 @ 13:11:52 pm
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Tempt fate cool

 

None so blind as he who will not see - when you need it, it will surely be over a week end when you can find NOBODY to help!

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08 Jun 2016 @ 14:28:44 pm
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Nog n vragie.
Het iemand met n dubbel as wn al n papwiel gekry ???
Wat het gebeur, loop die wa op die een wiel of wat maak hy. Kan hy dalk met net een wiel op n kant regkom. ???
I love camping all year round
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08 Jun 2016 @ 14:29:22 pm
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Nog n vragie.
Het iemand met n dubbel as wn al n papwiel gekry ???
Wat het gebeur, loop die wa op die een wiel of wat maak hy. Kan hy dalk met net een wiel op n kant regkom. ???
I love camping all year round
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08 Jun 2016 @ 15:22:38 pm
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Daar kan ek met ondervinding wel praat - een van my bande op die Gypsey 5 het af gedop soos 'n versoolde band - Ja as nood maatreel ka jy selfs met een wiel op elke kant ry - MAAAAAAAR nie teen gewone spoed nie - ek het so 60KPU gery tot die naaste plek waar ek bande kon opsit.

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09 Jun 2016 @ 00:23:19 am
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I've had two tyres going flat on me while driving - one on a car and one on the caravan. By the time you feel the snaking of the vehicle and start slowing down its too late - the tyre will most likely shred to pieces before you stop. I carry my caravan spare in the back of the bakkie. It's an unfortunate but necessary weigh penalty. Next buy will be a TPMS (temp,press monitoring system) they are cheaper than a new tyre.

Removing the spare from under the caravan can be a dangerous exercise - depending on the size, replacing it requires two very strong people.

Slower and lower is better than higher and faster!
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09 Jun 2016 @ 00:36:12 am
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Take a look at this YouTube video of a motor home that blows a tyre - very scary stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LkLeljt4t0&sns=em

Slower and lower is better than higher and faster!
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09 Jun 2016 @ 00:51:10 am
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While you on the subject of spare tyres, flat tyres and blow outs , take a look at this very informative safety video as to what you should do if it should ever happen to you. Same principles would apply to caravan and tow vehicle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8znCgvHMb-g&sns=em

Slower and lower is better than higher and faster!
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09 Jun 2016 @ 01:47:16 am
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I thought tyre blowouts were rare but apparently not in Russia. Russians are a bit paranoid about accidents and therefore the majority have dashcams so they have evidence in case of court cases - maybe a throw over from the USSR days. Anyway here is a YouTube video of a compilation of tyre blowouts (no. 6 of 6 videos) -  interesting stuff, take a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSQKvnXIzis&sns=em

Slower and lower is better than higher and faster!
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09 Jun 2016 @ 06:13:09 am
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Dis soos Hendrik hierbo s....dis soos versekering...jy kan sonder dit klaarkom, maar sou jy dit eendag nodig kry.....😲😲
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09 Jun 2016 @ 07:12:38 am
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I allways carry the spare in my bakkie, I also have a full gator repair kit and pump in my Isuzu. In my van I have plasic ramps, I must just get a 12v  jack, then I am sorted.  

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09 Jun 2016 @ 12:33:30 pm
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Weet nie of julle manne vir Murphy ken nie maar hy draai gereeld by my. Ek wil hom nie rede gee om my te besoek nie so die spaarwiel gaan maar saam.
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09 Jun 2016 @ 12:38:02 pm
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Dewald, Murphy kom gewoonlik by ons om nadat ons iets gekoop het, dan sit hy daardie ietem op 'n special.

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09 Jun 2016 @ 12:46:11 pm
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Ek ken daardie ene goed. Hy besoek n mens op baie veskillende maniere.
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10 Jun 2016 @ 14:53:18 pm
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Ek kan net nie verstaan hoe hy op meer plekke op een slag kan uit kom nie!surprised

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11 Jun 2016 @ 04:34:47 am
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I think runflat tyres are the answer..
Designed to be much more sturdy than a normal tyre and you can keep on driving at 80km/hr.
There are so many places where you just cannot stop to replace a flat tyre - whether it is because of road conditions, too much traffic or safety concerns.
Tpms should be a standard requirement anyhow as a blowout or damaged tyre can cause serious damage to the van.
This happened to me once and it was not fun and games.
The only problem I find is a tyre dealer who wants to help. They all want to shift the stock in their store.
You will need to upgrade the rims and tyres as a 235/70x15 108 is the size that has a sufficient load rating for my van.
I abhor the manufacturers who put cheaper tyres on their products.
In my case a Windforce - will be speaking to them today regarding this.
But I bought an expensive top of the range suv and they did the same.
It is not against the law but if the buyers start quering this we might get them to change.
I really would like to see the guys replying to this topic.
No price is too high when it comes to the safety of my famiily.
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11 Jun 2016 @ 07:27:29 am
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Hi Johan, this is a fresh thought that sounds really good to me. Even if the rim & run-flat conversion is expensive it does cover all the bases. Some things that I would like to know though are:
How much a rim & run-flat cost? (approx)
Has it also got a replace-by service life?
Is it heavier/lighter than the conventional set up?
If you do get a flat, how far can you safely run on it?
How do you know what quality any given make is?

I think at this stage it might be all but impossible to get a replacement if you are not in a big centre.
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11 Jun 2016 @ 10:13:25 am
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Tom, Runflats and marie biscuit tyres are a no-no in my book. After you have travelled your 60k's at 60k/h on your runflat to the nearest town, the tyre is a write off and probably nobody will have a replacement available. I saw my brother struggling to get a 18" tyre to under such circumstances in Riversdale- impossible! Same with marie biscuits. A set of tyre monitors plus a can or tyre weld is the answer. If the monitor informs you of a leak, the tyre can most probably be temporary repaired using the can. I drove all the way from Luderitz, a weeklong stay in Kgalagadi and back to Pietersburg after repairing a nick on the sidewall with a can of tyreweld.
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11 Jun 2016 @ 11:35:59 am
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Sonder n spaar wiel is om sonder n kis begrawe te word.

As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

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12 Jun 2016 @ 11:22:11 am
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Run flats are not the solution and if you are enquiring about the price then they are not for you.
After many years of travel, last year I lost two tyres in a matter of 20 kms of gravel travel far from civilisation. I normally travel with two spares, so I was not yet in deep trouble. I still had about 90 kms to closest tar road where I could expect to get assistance and then about 30 kms to next small town. Tyres they had at very inflated price. About 400 kms later I lost another tyre, down to one spare and had to drive 320 kms on bad roads to next place where I could get another spare.
You will not believe how your confidence takes a knock after something like this happens to you.
Try and get the same size tyres and rims for your vehicle and van, so that they can be interchanged.
I have now done this after purchasing an off road van, so now have three spares. I must admit though, that I probably drive worse roads than the average caravanner. I do not overland with the caravan, so will still only have two spares when far off the beaten track.
Happy travels. A spare is non-negotiable.
On The Road Again
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13 Jun 2016 @ 15:11:24 pm
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Unfortunately, Tyre Weld, may be good, but does not suit all tyre problems.

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13 Jun 2016 @ 16:50:06 pm
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Quite true David. But then again you can never be 100% sure of everything- you can only try and be as sure and safe as possible. But my point is Tyreweld gives you another option over expensive repairs or being stuck in the sticks and if it is feasable, a lot more safety on unsafe roads. A sharp stone may damage your tyre to such an extent that it cannot be repaired at all but that is only one possibility. Chances are good, I think, that you may have a lesser puncture which, if you pick it up almost immediately- as you will with a tyre monitor, you might be able save the tyre and fix it at least temporary, with tyre weld. Even if you can't, you might be able to have it repaired professionally later on instead of buying a new tyre, which might not be abtainable where you are stranded. Plan B: using spare wheel is always possible- if you have one, which you might not have if your car was issued with run-flats.

I am never without a can of tyre weld.
Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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