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16 Sep 2019 @ 13:14:28 pm
lekkerbydiesee
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Hi
Has anyone towed with a sedan and stiffened the rear suspension by fitting air bags inside the coil springs . If so did it help
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16 Sep 2019 @ 13:33:30 pm
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Works perfectly. 

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16 Sep 2019 @ 13:39:54 pm
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Het al gehoor van tennis balle binne in coilsprings. weet nie of dit werk nie.

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16 Sep 2019 @ 13:57:40 pm
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I use to tow with a Ford Saphire 3.0 GLX that also had coil springs in the rear.  I did not have the luxury to fit the rubber airbags but did go the tennis ball way.  This helped a lot to prevent the vehicle drop in the rear so much.

My experience was:

  • It did not have any negative effect on the handling of the vehicle while driving solo
  • It does lift the rear a bit while driving solo.
  • Do not use the  tennis balls that you buy in a toy shop.  Buy the proper dunlop ones from a port shop.
  • The tennis balls only lasted a trip down to Durban and back from Pretoria. Then they are moeg.
  • Jack up the car as this will open the coil a bit and then force the tennis balls in.  Most I could fit was 3 on a side due to the bump rubber also on the inside of the coil.

If you can fit the rubber air bags they work very well and you can adjust the height of the rear of your vehicle.

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16 Sep 2019 @ 15:35:40 pm
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I tried to find out in Polokwane if it could be done to my Suzuki Grand Vitara 

They did not even know this Suzuki existed 

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16 Sep 2019 @ 15:52:20 pm
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As jy nie sleep deflate jy die airbags en jou kar se ry gehalte is weer standaard. Tennis balle bly hard. Laas in 1980 iemamd gesien tennis balle in agter suspensie in sit. Dit kan werk maar ek dink tegnologie het so bietjie aan beweeg

 As jou kar te veel sak is dit eerder n saak dat dit tyd is om jou coil springs te vervang of dit te re-tension

 Maat net 100 kg wat agter in hak

Gaan die airbag rigting, sal nie spyt wees. Plek is in Jetpark, oosrand. Adverteer gewoontlik agter in die karavaan tydskrifte.

Hulle sal dit installeer of jy kan dit n DIY projek maak.

 

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17 Sep 2019 @ 05:57:03 am
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Stem saam dat die Airbag die way is om te gaan.  Alhoewel dit effens duur kan wees.

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17 Sep 2019 @ 07:07:17 am
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Sometimes called 'Air Riders' or 'Air Springs'

Google them, I'm sure there is a fitment centre in Cape Town.

Well worth it.

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17 Sep 2019 @ 20:03:11 pm
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Craig, about 15 or so odd years ago I used to tow a 1981 Musketeer with a 1992 GLX Sapphire, same as Leon's. I replaced the back coil springs with heavy duty springs. Hardly any sag at the back with caravan on, stable towing (with Tando) and still comfortable solo. I would have thought after the spring fitment that it will stand high at the back but it did not!

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17 Sep 2019 @ 20:23:29 pm
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Did you buy the springs or have them made?

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17 Sep 2019 @ 20:53:47 pm
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Also replaced my rear coil springs with heavy duty ones on my '93 camry and it lifted the back slightly. Still very comfortable ride and assisted with towing in that the drop in the rear was counter-acted to an extent.

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17 Sep 2019 @ 22:11:31 pm
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Craig, I bought them from a place in Krugersdorp that actually made the springs and they installed them as well. I cannot remember the places name anymore.

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20 Sep 2019 @ 08:05:35 am
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Did you buy the springs or have them made?

Craig you can try Salt River Spring Works 021 447 9860 or Saayman Spring Works in Bellville 021 946 3175.

You also get a progressive coil spring that becomes stiffer as the coil is compressed more.  Still leaves you with a comfortable ride when driving solo.

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02 Oct 2019 @ 16:01:28 pm
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Best bargain ever when I fitted air bags to my Fortuner's rear suspension. No sagging and no sway. Not one milimeter drop when I hitch the caravan. Approx R4500-00 for the set. 

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13 Nov 2019 @ 16:03:57 pm
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I have the same issue (sag) but on my 2011 Everest which has leaf springs. Air springs will cost about R6,5k here in Worcester. There’s a place in Cape Town that can fit Load Hog helper springs for under R3k. They are supposed to improve even empty ride and be progressive when loaded. Anyone have experience with these and can recommend them?

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13 Nov 2019 @ 18:49:20 pm
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Do consider why you have so much sag- could it be that you have too much load on the ball?  Make sure what the maximum for your van and the tow hitch is.  Too much might endanger the hitch and even damage your tow vehice's body where the tow bar is attached. This is especially a valid concern with a sedan as the tow bar is usually just bolted to the bottom of the boot.  Most manufacturers apparently do not consider that sedans might be used as tow vehicles so no reinforcement for this is built into the body.

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13 Nov 2019 @ 21:36:45 pm
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Thanks, I’m aware of the ball weight restriction of my towing vehicle and the legal limit. My combination is also not overloaded considering my towing vehicle’s GVM and the combination is within legal and my vehicles limits. On level roads my combination is OK. Traversing over a steep angle like where a sloping driveway meets the road can cause the bottom of the front of my Kavango’s A-frame to scrape and that’s what I want to avoid. 

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14 Nov 2019 @ 09:16:12 am
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What about using a Tando stabiliser?  I am not convinced of its value in stabilising the van, but it does lift the tow hitch slightly which might be just enough to solve your problem.  It is a hassle attaching this however.

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14 Nov 2019 @ 10:26:15 am
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What about using a Tando stabiliser?  I am not convinced of its value in stabilising the van, but it does lift the tow hitch slightly which might be just enough to solve your problem.  It is a hassle attaching this however.

I don’t have any stability issues when towing, just want to improve ground clearance under the front of the A-frame. The pictures of the Tando stabiliser show it sitting below the A-frame?

I’m going to Cape Town tomorrow to investigate the Load Hog helper springs. 

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14 Nov 2019 @ 13:23:29 pm
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Best bargain EVER!

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14 Nov 2019 @ 16:27:03 pm
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You have a sedan- will the load Hog fit as it seems to me to be designed as a blade spring stiffener.

As for Tando, I haven't used mine in over 30 years so I cannot be sure how far it protrudes below the A-frame, but I doubt it will be lower than the jobkey wheel.  The amount it might be able to lift will not me much though, but perhaps it will be enough to solve your problem.  Why not speak to a knowledgable dealer if the Load Hog will not fit the bill?

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15 Nov 2019 @ 10:17:23 am
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You have a sedan- will the load Hog fit as it seems to me to be designed as a blade spring stiffener.

As for Tando, I haven't used mine in over 30 years so I cannot be sure how far it protrudes below the A-frame, but I doubt it will be lower than the jobkey wheel.  The amount it might be able to lift will not me much though, but perhaps it will be enough to solve your problem.  Why not speak to a knowledgable dealer if the Load Hog will not fit the bill?

The original poster (to whom I must apologise for hijacking his thread) has a sedan. My 2011 Everest has leaf springs. Going to find out today whether Load Hog helper springs wil work. 

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15 Nov 2019 @ 12:17:03 pm
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Likkewaan vergeet daarvan om bykomende of gemodifiseerde vering aan te skaf. Jy gaan die stopsels uit jou tande skud. Lugsakke is regtig eenvoudig, myne het sowat R4500 gekos. Dis geen probleem om hulle te pomp nie, gewoonlik 2 bar (maks 3 bar) en ek blaas hulle heeltemal af wanneer ek nie sleep nie. Ek het net een keer met die boswa na Moremi gery en die Fortuner het deurgestamp. Daarna die lugsakke opgesit en het absoluut geen probleem met die boswa of die karavaan nie.

Dis regtig lekker om op n rowwe pad te sleep en die stabiliteit te ervaar.

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15 Nov 2019 @ 20:08:10 pm
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My Everest het haar gat gewip. Load Hog helpervere geïnstalleer vandag. Leë ritgemak het verbeter en die bokant van die bal is nou 525mm (was 480mm). Ek het 108kg se kameeldoring hout gekoop terwyl ek in die Kaap was en terwyl dit nog in was, was die bal se bokant op 515mm. 
Sover is ek baie tevrede. Ek sal verder terugvoer gee na volgende naweek se sleep. Die koste was R2 806. 
Ek sou ‘n foto opgesit het as ek geweet het hoe van my slimfoon af. 
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16 Nov 2019 @ 10:19:04 am
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Chris, hoe verklaar jy die verbetering van die rit as die voertuig leeg is?  Ek sou verwag dat net die teenoorgestelde waar sou wees.  Ek wonder ook waarom dit nodig was om 'n Everest se vere te verstyf- sy dravermoeë is mos reeds heel goed en die las op die karavaan se disselboom is ook mos beperk.  Was die rede dat die sleephaak te laag was vir jou karavaan? Loop hy nog neus-af?

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16 Nov 2019 @ 15:17:13 pm
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Chris, hoe verklaar jy die verbetering van die rit as die voertuig leeg is?  Ek sou verwag dat net die teenoorgestelde waar sou wees.  Ek wonder ook waarom dit nodig was om 'n Everest se vere te verstyf- sy dravermoeë is mos reeds heel goed en die las op die karavaan se disselboom is ook mos beperk.  Was die rede dat die sleephaak te laag was vir jou karavaan? Loop hy nog neus-af?


Mens sou dit verwag maar hy hop minder agter. Die Everest se agterent was maar bietjie los om draaie en op grondpad. Riaan van Steering, Brakes and Suspension in Montagu Gardens het die installasie gedoen en werk al 40 jaar met vering. Hy sê die Ranger se vere lyk anders agter so dalk het hulle die Everest bietjie “sagter” geveer omdat hy nie ‘n 1 ton vrag hoef te dra nie, ek weet nie. Die Everest is dalk langer agter die as as die Ranger ook?
Met my Kavango gehaak en beide voertuie gelaai het dit soveel gesak dat die onderkant van die A-raam voor (wat die laagste punt van die kombinasie is) geskuur het as ek oor ‘n hoek ry soos bv waar my effense steil oprit by die pad aansluit. Die neusgewig was 22kg te veel so ek sal beter pak die komende naweek. Ek sal dan sien hoe hang die A-raam maar die bokant van die bal is net 45mm hoër as voor die Load Hogs so dit sal nie neus op hang nie. Daar is ‘n stel gate om die haak hoër te skuif maar dan sal die agterdeur net omtrent 30cm kan oopmaak en die spaarwiel se dop waarskynlik seerkry as ek regs draai. 
Ek het baie navorsing gedoen en Load Hogs lyk na die beste en goedkoopste opsie sonder om rygerief en stabiliteit op te offer. Volgens Riaan verbeter dit die agterste bladvere se dra vermoë met omtrent 40% Hy is die Kaapse agent en doen al lank installasies vir vrag laai, sleep en 4x4. Hy bou komponente en volledige stelsels vir van passasiersvoertuie tot busse en vragvoertuie so hy is nie net ‘n verkoopsman wat vinnig ‘n paar Rand wil maak nie. Hy kon bv eerder vir my lugsakke ingesit het vir R12,5k en meer geld gemaak het. Hy het ook al genoeg Load Hogs ingesit en terugvoer van kliente gekry om te weet dit werk. Hy doen die hele vloot van verskeie vervoermaatskappye daarmee. 
Hoe dit ookal sy; ek sal beter terugvoer kan gee na ons langnaweek in Jongensfontein tot die 26ste. 
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16 Nov 2019 @ 17:14:46 pm
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Dankie vir die terugvoer.  Ons hoor graag wat jou uitstappie oplewer.

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28 Nov 2019 @ 08:23:08 am
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Ek het die afgelope naweek Jongensfontein toe gesleep nadat ek die vorige Vrydag Load Hog helpervere laat insit het. My probleem is opgelos en die Everest se gat hang glad nie meer nie. Ek het die Kavango bietjie anders gepak so ek glo die neusgewig was minder. Ek kon dit ongelukkig nie meet nie want die wa staan neus op in my motorhuis waar dit gepak word en na haak was daar nie meer tyd vir afhaak en weeg nie. Al het ek dit egter reggekry om 50kg neusgewig te verplaas was dit vir seker nie genoeg om die verskil te maak tussen voor en na die Load Hog installasie nie. 
Die waterpas op die Kavango se A-raam het gewys dat hy so rapsie neus op van waterpas gehang het, maar die borreltjie was steeds tussen die lyntjies en die kombinasie was stabiel op alle snelhede tot 105km/h GPS spoed. 
Die ritgehalte is ‘n bietjie fermer, meer soos ‘n 1-tonner bakkie. Ek vermoed die ou Everest is effe sagter geveer as die ou Ranger en dit kon tot die hang gat bygedra het. Dit het ook ‘n floaty gevoel aan die vering gegee. Dit voel nou meer ferm maar stamp nie regtig meer nie, en daar is minder af beweging op die bladvere en dus minder op beweging op die skokbrekers. 
Ek is baie tevrede en het ook sonder enige probleme oor ‘n helling gery wat steiler bymekaarkom as my oprit waar die A-raam voorheen geskraap het. 
Vir die prys (onder R3000 geÏnstalleer) is dit veral ‘n aantreklike oplossing vir ‘n sleepvoertuig met bladvere agter waarvan die gat hang. Ek sal ook met vrymoedigheid die agent in die Kaap, Steering, Brake and Suspension in Montagu Gardens aanbeveel.

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28 Nov 2019 @ 08:38:58 am
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Bly dit het goed vir jou uitgewerk. Kan jy dalk n foto plaas van hoe dit lyk.

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28 Nov 2019 @ 10:12:06 am
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28 Nov 2019 @ 11:04:08 am
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Chris. Dit is n baie interessante konsep van Roadhog. Ek het geleer dat wanneer jy n spring versterk dan sit jy n ekstra main blade in wat van voor tot agter strek. Hierdie een stop halfpad bo op die as. Nou volgens wat ek in die bedryf gesien het gebeur die volgende. 

Die ou springs het al hul tension begin verloor. Dus as jy n nuwe op sit "net halfpad" sal hy die ou main blade snap waar dit op hou. n nuwe blade om support te gee moet regdeur strek van voor tot agter en dieselfde beide kante. Jy kan nie net eenkant versterk of vernuwe, jy moet altwee kante doen. In jou geval is die spring altwee kante net bang dit gaan jou spring pack se main blade in die middel van sy lengte breek bo op die as.  Jou waarborg sal ook nie dit dek want die twee nuwe blades wat ingesit is sal nie breek die ou springs onder dit kan snap want jy het een spring wat se tension harder as die res is en dan word ouderdom blameer en nie die oorsaak van die probleem

Dan weer gesê mense raak slimmer en ek sal baie graag wil weet hoe die modifikasie op lang termyn werk

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28 Nov 2019 @ 17:20:59 pm
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Chris. Dit is n baie interessante konsep van Roadhog. Ek het geleer dat wanneer jy n spring versterk dan sit jy n ekstra main blade in wat van voor tot agter strek. Hierdie een stop halfpad bo op die as. Nou volgens wat ek in die bedryf gesien het gebeur die volgende. 

Die ou springs het al hul tension begin verloor. Dus as jy n nuwe op sit "net halfpad" sal hy die ou main blade snap waar dit op hou. n nuwe blade om support te gee moet regdeur strek van voor tot agter en dieselfde beide kante. Jy kan nie net eenkant versterk of vernuwe, jy moet altwee kante doen. In jou geval is die spring altwee kante net bang dit gaan jou spring pack se main blade in die middel van sy lengte breek bo op die as.  Jou waarborg sal ook nie dit dek want die twee nuwe blades wat ingesit is sal nie breek die ou springs onder dit kan snap want jy het een spring wat se tension harder as die res is en dan word ouderdom blameer en nie die oorsaak van die probleem

Dan weer gesê mense raak slimmer en ek sal baie graag wil weet hoe die modifikasie op lang termyn werk

Nooit te oud om te leer.

Die konsep kom van Amerika af en is al baie lank op die mark daar. Die U-boute van die Load Hog is nie high tensile staal nie en behoort dus eerste te breek as iets gaan breek. Ek het van een of twee lede hier gelees wat al deur ‘n voertuig is met ‘n stel en weer op die nuwe voertuig laat insit het. Ek beplan om die Everest nog ten minste 7 jaar te ry, so as ek gespaar word sal ek dan beter terugvoer kan gee van langtermyn gebruik. Sover is ek baie tevrede. 

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