Denial and blame is easy and serves no purpose, but admitting there may be a problem allows one to seek a solution
So, at the outset, I am an extrovert in some ways and an introvert in others. I was brought up not to gate crash a party, but to wait until I was invited and not to invite myself. A invitation based on this point of view will not suffice!
I have been to at least 5 rallies, this weekend another by the CCSA and yes again I was not a part of it. My son in law, also a caravanner was also there. We had two stands between the 8 of us.
But, on arrival I viewed a number of caravans standing in a laager appearing, whether it be so or not, "boere oorlog" style, so as to exclude anyone else from it. Somewhere there is a focal point, which from the outside looks like the place for committee members and long standing tribe members to meet for their functions.
My plea is that you, the committee, when you have set up laager again, take a walk away from this set up and look in, from the outside as a stranger not knowing a siingle sole and ask yourself if you would approach and request to join!
You said there was eight of you with two stands, so why were you lonely. Did you camp with your backs to each other or did you create a social set up. If the club was not there would you still have been
lonely. Were you the only other campers in the park and if not did you feel the same way about them. So what I suggest if you really would like to be part of club group, apply to join. Most the members in the club are campers who made inquires to join when they saw the club on site camping.
I am sure if you inquired you would be welcomed with open arms, terms and conditions always apply just like all clubs. It is up to you now, do you or do you not want to be part of the club.
I read your comments with concern; are you a member of CCSA? If so, you say you have been to five rallies; then you do not have to wait to be invited to join in the laager! I am, as well as Marg Sand, members of the same club, albeit we have never yet met. (I spend so much time on the road with my caravan; I hardly get to camp with our club.) We love to “Laager Boere Oorlig” style, as it makes for a great sense of togetherness. Camp fire ‘n all. Many a time, I have arrived and been unable to squeeze in in-between other vans, and had to be the “Outcast” and camp away from the laager – so what! I am a member of the club, got there late, and could not get into the laager, stood one side, but still joined in with the festivities without an invitation!
If you’re not happy with your current club, but want to enjoy the benefits of camping with a club – join another!
Where do you stay? I’ll get one of the committee members of the closest Trekkers Club nearest you to contact you, and invite you to their next Outspan. (We call it “Outspan” and yes, we “Laager”! Tradition.)
We are holding a “CaravanParks.com Rally” at Koro-Koro this coming weekend. We are NOT a club. Read about it on the string; Next CaravanParks.com Rally – Saamtrek. If you “Pull finger” you can still get a booking. Join us and find out what a bunch of ***********!!!!???? we all are. A great weekend is in the making! It looks as if we are going to get 25 vans- families – together!
You did not give full details, but all I want to quote Willie ……… Our membership if the Forum and each make his/her own booking and payment as if you are on your own, we try and get discount for the group and this is to your benefit.
Join us for the week-end then come and fill in the gaps for the others to see (read)
We are holding a “CaravanParks.com Rally” at Koro-Koro this coming weekend. We are NOT a club. Read about it on the string; Next CaravanParks.com Rally – Saamtrek. If you “Pull finger” you can still get a booking. Join us and find out what a bunch of ***********!!!!???? we all are. A great weekend is in the making!
I must add that this week end we had a most fantastic weekend. Our caravan was not parked in the " laager". We parked facing the back of other members. We joined in to every event. Our club invited the another club to join us so there was a crowd of 58 people. Every one with out exception bragged about what fun they had, even the people who's vans were not parked in the "laager" Our chairman emailed us to tell us about all the emails he had received with all the positive comments.
Sorry I did not read your comments properly, I see you do already belong to a club. If it does not suit you, find another one. Trekkers lets you camp three times with them before you become a member. This way you can see if you like the club before joining.
David as well as other Forums Readers.
At the top of these pages is the “News and Advice” section: Go have a good browse here.
Read the feedback on the CaravanParks.com “Shangri-La” rally held at the end of last year.
There are also newsletters giving feedback on various caravan & camping club rallies held recently.
Also a great little bit of “Something to think about.” Read also about “Life in the Fast Lane!”
You could spend hours getting feedback, news as well as practical advice.
Marg got one thing right - did not read comments properly – still did not, nor did anyone else who responded.
The plea, in short, was that the committee take a look from the outside “after” the next laager (“when you have set up laager again”). The only way any could have responded as so far done was if they were presently in that laager after the posting on this forum.
If the clubs are happy with membership as is, then please ignore my plea. If they wish to grow, whether in membership, leadership or whatever, then they should be appreciating people like myself pointing something out (even if only applicable to that person) and then consider if it warrants further attention. There may be others who feel like I do only afraid to speak up for fear of being told they are wrong.
Having been members and even served on various committees in some cases on “invitation to apply”, I do appreciate that clubs do have their own values. That was not the issue.
I stated that I was a introvert in some ways - so here goes - I will not enter a laager and ask to join (to me, that laager is a keep out wall)..... I will not accept an invitation to join because I invited myself (eg. by placing this on the forum). I would love to join should I be approached such as in a conversation at a caravan park. And YES, on occasions I do look to see where a rally will be held and attend hoping to be invited. I would gracefully enquire about membership in a more approachable layout, where I don’t look like the enemy approaching the King.
So, if I am missing out on something, that is MY TOUGH LUCK and will have to live with it.
My extrovert will only appear in a comfort zone.
In closing, I have been in caravanning (including a motor home) for too long to be lonely in a caravan park, unless I am the only one there as I thrive on the company of others.
I have also seen too many successful socials, to ignore, where the caravanner’s have rather sought a neutral focal point.
For those who stared at me on Saturday and Sunday -YES I knowq you saw me - I am
DR DRAKE GP that's not a Doctor, nor a GP.
Ok David, I gather from your last remarks that you don't belong to a club but would like to. Am I right, and you are too shy to ask. If this is the case I am sure if we know where you stayed someone on the forum could help you with the process. Once you belong to a club you dont have to be invited to participate. Everyone who is a member has the same rights to participate if they want to, or not to.
Your thread was a little confusing. It projected that you did not like the manner in which everyone parked their caravans, tents etc. The reason this is done is not to keep outsiders out but to get the maximum contact between members of the club. Please if you are ever in the Durban area camping and our club is camping there the same weekend, let us know. We allow you to camp three times without being a member to see if you like the way we do things.
I should not be commenting here, but I thought you should know. I joined this site a few minutes ago and this was my first experience with this site. Not a great experience I must admit.
I feel for David, as an outsider looking in. David wrote about his personal experience and I do not think his intetions were bad. I agree with David, a "laager" is a circle of people that know each other (perhaps not all), but there are friendships. To enter into this is quite a feat and takes guts. How easily would one find it to walk up to a group of strangers, join them and feel like you belong?
I think Marg owes David an apology here as Marg's points a & b are an oxymoron. The caravan laager is held on common ground, thus all club members should be welcome. A party held at one's home is "by invitation only" and the two should not be confused. Just a suggestion, bu perhaps the rally marshals could approach all new members and invite them to join them for a drink on the first night.
I kind of grew up at caravan rallies in the 70's & 80'. My parents belonged to CCSA Easterns & Natal regions, Firebulls & Doghouse. In those days the rally marshals used to include all new members at functions to make them feel like part of the family. I am in no way implying that this is not the case today, but David certainly does not appear to have been made to feel part of the family, taking his experience at the rally into account and the subsequent comments in this forum. Even in my parents time there were definate clicks amongst the adult friends. Breaking into a click, especially in Natal was very difficult.
David, I hope your future caravaning days are good ones and that you have many fond memories :-)
All I wanted to say is that you are welcome to camp at the same park and then see what we do as we are NOT a registered club. We are all just members the same as you are, thus I said that everyone does his own booking and that is why we do not form a laager. There are NO rules other than that of the park itself.
I think David is referring to "formal" caravan clubs like CCSA and SAWA and not to the informal "camping together" that we forum members do.
I also used to belong to two caravan clubs in the past, but for several reasons do not belong to one anymore. I however am not "against" clubs per se, those who are frequent campers with their clubs, swear by it and enjoy the get-togethers.
I prefer to camp alone or with friends/family and also enjoy the spontaneous forum camps that happens from time to time.
Greetings - Nico
Please people! This string is going in a direction that is not appealing to anyone. (I know of another forum that members don’t respect others point of view’s). That’s why I left that forum! ! ! ! ! !
David just noted an Observation he made while he was camping. Yes, he did it in a aggressive manner just ignore the aggressiveness and address the topic. If he is a person that that likes conflict he will then soon realize that he won’t find it here. If it was written in such a manner without in tend it will go away by it self.
Cool down everyone! ! ! !
Leon, if you think it I was aggressive, I apologise – I just stated it as I saw it! If the intent was conflict, then I would not have lodged the plea. Furthermore, I would not have made myself visible – if any readers see me on the road with or without the caravan, they will know! I do 180 km per day as I work in Johannesburg.
Through experience I have learned that nobody likes criticism and a reaction will normally follow. The further point that the members should appreciate is that I raised an issue and may have put my head in a beehive.
Thanks for your support, Wendy. At least one other that understands.
When caravanning with my parents, club members were always looking for new members. When functions were held, they invited all, whether members or not. I still recall many a good rally held at Merry Pebbles, whilst my father was a member, as a result even in Bethal, Louis Trichardt, Pietersburg. The worst was in Warmbaths. Admittedly these were in days gone by.
Times must have changed. I am not in a position to tell committees what to do. It is up to them to decide if they wish to do something about it!
I guaranty you I will continue enjoying my caravan whether I join a club or not. It is about what you make of it.
All in all, I have been caravanning for about 19 years since 1967 plus about 10 years with a motor home only really used for about 5 years. There were gaps between leaving home and buying my first Caravette 5 in 1982, followed by a Gypsey 5 in 1985, which I kept for about 15 years.
When I stopped running the Comrades in 2007, I bought holiday club points, which are great – If Marg thinks I was lonely, then try this for loneliness. You don’t even see your neighbour!
I returned to caravanning end November last year and despite being involved in cricket umpiring on both Saturdays and Sundays in the summer, I have already managed to get away over six weekends. I would not have returned if I did not think it was better. I do it Nico’s way.
Whether I know any of you or not and you park near me, please excuse me when I tell your wife to sit down while I help pitch your tent up ….. and if my children are around, they WILL help too!
With that said, I will leave it to other members to discuss and leave the thread.
Anyone wishing to take this up on a more personal basis can address me on email@example.com
DR DRAKE GP that’s not a Doctor nor GP
I am new to this forum, but I must say that I have found it to be a friendly and very helpful forum, with the members very accommodating and willing to share experience and knowledge. I hope you will have a similar experience.
As for the camping were clubs are also present, I have experienced similar situations once or twice. While camping next to or near a club I did not feel very welcome to approach any of the club members. Like David, this did not deter me from camping. In fact we just bought our first caravan.
I suppose this is human nature (at least for introverts like me), and it is very possible that I also come across as wanting to be left alone when camping.
I like the idea of camping with a club a few times before joining.
I think it is a good thing to highlight the possibility that by action some clubs may cause potential future members to avoid them.
I also believe that there are more good people in the world (and at the camping grounds) than not, and that most of them will gladly assist and answer questions when asked.
One other comment: Not withstanding the fact that I believe there are more good people, there are also some nasty, rude and unruly people at campsites. I have seen some very ugly things happen and some innocent people get hurt because of inconsiderate drunks etc. Therefore, I am extremely careful who I communicate with at a campsite. Some people I just do not want as part of my social group. That may be a reason why some club members are hesitant to invite strangers. (not like in the old days anymore)
Best regards and happy camping
If you prefer see the club section on this site and email who ever you choise and ask them about joining. It is your choice as to what you are looking for in a club. Ask about how many people there are and choice if you want to part of a large or smaller more intimate club. Trekkers policy is try before your join. They allow yo uto camp three times as a guest. If you decide you like the club the normal procedure of joining any club will apply.
Kind regards MArg
Daar was eendag 'n outjie met 'n groot minderwaardigheids kompleks. hy het begin saam met die klub te oefen vir sy eerste wedstryd. toe hulle so 'n rukkie gespeel het kom hy al huilend van die veld af. Toe die afrigter hom vra wat fout is, toe se hy "Die Ref het sy fluitjie geblaas en gese 'skrum', toe gaan almal in so 'n hopie en skinder van hom"
(Almost on the Road)Grumpy
Ons het ook vroeër aan 'n klub behoort (Benwa). My ervaring was dat dit uiters selde of nooit gebeur het nie dat 'n vreemdeling by 'n kamp navraag doen om lid te word. Die normale manier van lid word van 'n klub is om deur 'n lid genooi te word om saam te gaan kamp as besoeker waarna jy dan aansoek doen as jy belang stel. So het ek al twee SAWA-kampe bygewoon as besoeker, hoewel ek daarteen besluit het om aan te sluit omdat ek destyds nie aan twee klubs wou behoort nie. Ek is seker dat iemand ook d.m.v. die betrokke klub se webblad meer inligting kan verkry en aansoek kan doen om genooi te word. En ja, 'n klub is 'n geslote groep (laager) omdat almal mekaar ken en die klublede betrokke is by 'n program vir die naweek. Buietstanders word nie uitgesluit nie - bloot geïgnoreer soos wat ek bv. selde met ander kampeerders kontak maak wanneer ek kamp. Nie omdat ek snobisties is nie, maar bloot omdat ek 'n introvert is en verkies om my eie ding te doen soos en wanneer ek wil.
I am so sorry if you haven't found what you are looking for in a club. Try another one until you find one that suits you. They are not all the same. We really look forward to our outings with the Trekkers club each month. Don't give up because you were disappointed.
Ek is so jammer as jy nie gevind wat jy soek in 'n klub.Probeer 'n ander een totdat jy die een wat jou pas.Hulle is nie almal dieselfde nie.Ons het regtig uitsien na ons uitstappies met die Voortrekkers klub elke maand.Moenie moed opgee nie, want jy was teleurgesteld.
I really did not want to re-visit this thread for fear of further confrontation. But, after reading the other forum you referred to again, I must admit it did look luring/enticing. It appears that Koro-Koro map does not lend itself to the laager idea to well - (I may be wrong).
Thanks for the invite, but could be difficult - my wife works most Saturdays - could possibly break away at about 11:30 normally 12:00 - this would be a one way trip of 260km making time of arrival about 15:00. Would it be worth the trip, ignoring costs at this stage (I am prepared to live with that)?
That is why I try visiting parks no further than 150Km and then leave late Sunday,say 16:00. The travelling itself does not bother me - it is the time of arrival that is important.
Just as a matter of interest - the rally which was being held to which I referred, was 60,2 km from my house. Imagine the convenience of joining a club that close, had any of the members just greeted and said "join us at the bring and braai".
On the lighter side, I have set my SPY on you. My son-in-law has shown interest in visiting from Thabazimbi.
Just to show Leon how AGGRESSIVE I am (not really), I would have loved to stand next to him and meet the lot of you!
I agree with you Andre', the guys/gals on the forum are friendly and helpful and I also have had some advice elsewhere for others - e.g. someone was considering towing with a Polo Vivo. That is how I know caravanners!
Enjoy the weekend
It will not help in joining a club that have been camping just 60km from your house as they don’t camp at the same place every time.
We as a Forum group also camp at places closest to the majority in the group and we also try not to go to the same camp twice.
You don’t say from which town you’re from, but you and the family are most welcome to join us. We will be having a “saam braai” Saturday late afternoon were you are also most welcome to join us.
Please give Adéle at Koro-Koro a call and make your booking and come and join us.
Willie is waiting for us at Koro-Koro, as it’s his boring job to camp.
Good day all,
For the benefit of those who ahve read and communicated in this thread, I wish to add a final bit.
I attended the rally at Koro-Koro over the week end.
Suddenly things fell into place - two ladies in my lift club made long week ends, one was in an armed robbery on Thursday and did not go to work on Friday (fortunately no injuries or ... ) and the last, a pregnant fairy that wanted to leave early and travelled with her own car. So, I planned to travel late Friday. My wife suggested I tow the van to work and she would come with me. This would save me 170km. When I got to work I asked what time they would chase me away, so I left Johannesburg at 10:30.
I arrived at Koro-Koro - pitched rally and not long after Toffie and Jacky, also a first timer introduced himself to me and moved on to Wille and Dot. Well, in under 15 minutes, everybody in the park knew who I was and I only knew Toffie and Jacky.
Then, like the song goes ...careful what you wish for, you just might get ..." ....... Leon pulled in directly opposite me and like the others, a pleasure to meet him.
Well, I can carry on and on. But if you guys have never been to a forum's get together, I would like to state categorically that in my opinion this is not a rally, nor a "closed laager" as I stated in opening the thread. These guys/gals are something else .... you SHOULD attend, if able and even more so, if you are an introvert. They stand together, yet each on their own and really go out of their way to meet new comers. Even the Saturday evening braai was taken to probably the furthest point from their sites, to an open area near the swimming pool and all were treated equally.
I promise you, the only thing that may keep me from attending again, is the distance in relation to the time I can spend.
I also think and time will tell, this is a stepping stone to caravan clubs rallies!
The worst part of the week end was not leaving, but watching the others leave!
Ek het al gehoor ander kampeerders praat van "DIE BENDE"
Iets moes tog gebeur het wat aanleiding gegee het tot hierdie siening!
Ek oorweeg dit om ook "Laer te Trek" maar wil dit in vrede doen.
Kom kamp saam met ons dan besluit jy of jy weer saam met ons wil kamp. Ek belowe jou jy sal weer en weer saam kom, kyk self David het dit geniet.
Maak gerus 'n draai saam met die mense - dit sal my tweede keer wees - en dis wragtig goedkoop teen R150 per aand vir 4 mense, dan kry jy nog 'n gratis potjiekos!
Alhoewel hulle van my geweet het op die forum het nie een van hulle geweet wie ek was nie. My kar het nie eers sy registrasie op gehad nie. Hulle het moeite gedoen om by elke karavaan toe gegaan en verwelkom. Die eerste ou wat kom kennis maak was ook vir sy eerste keer by!
Ek was nou by 'n paar CCSA rallies waar hulle my op e-pos gesê ek was net by 'n verkeerde groep. Soos jy hierin seker gesien het, was ek weer die naweek by een ---- ons was 5 karavane wat een kant moes staan - al waar hulle jou groet is by 'n ablusiblok. Dit was veronderstel om 'n mampoerfees te wees, en so geadverteer. Voor ek geweet het wat aan gaaan, het my bure gesê jy kan nie eers daar naby kom nie! Toe ek daar kom was dit baie duidelik dis 'n geslote funksie - toe gekamp met daardie rooi en wit tape wat jy kry by ongeluk of misdaad tonele .... agter het hulle in 'n sirkel gesit, reg voor die mampoer verkope ingang, (jy weet ..... net soos die kkkroeg toonbank war die Bulle onderssteuners staan terwyl hulle span voorloop en dan mag 'n ander span ondersteuners nie saam drink nie).
Daar was 4 laagers - gelyk asof die kommittee ook in 'n geen toegang area was - ook toe gespan.
Ek kan jou ook verseker, een van die kommittee lede het geweet wat my klagte oor 'n laager is - sy het my nog genooi. Ongelukkig, as jy van my weet, is my kar erkenbaar ..... sien onder - my kar registrasie is ook deel van my e-pos adres op die verdomde Blackberry,wat ek so mee sukkel - ek kon nie my naam kry nie - lyk my die David Drake's is vervuil.
Nou vra ek ----- "Wil hulle nuwe lede hê?" Ek kan jou verseker, ek is nie vir hulle kompetisie nie - daarom waardeer ek mense soos Willie en Wilsur (net om twee te noem en hier is ook ander) en sal hulle bystaan.
Ek wil graag aan 'n klub hoort waar ek saam kan kamp, veral in die winter, wanneer parke oor die algemeen leeg is. Tydens 'n rally staan 'n mens dan nie alleen nie --- in die somer is dit vir my moelik om te kamp omdat ek 'n skeidsregter is by Noord-Wes Krieket.
Hier tel jy ook anders idees op wat dan ook jou lewe met die karavaan kan makliker en geriefliker maak (soos byvoorbeeld die kamera in die plek van spieels bespreek in 'n ander draad.
Ons sien jou graag daar - dis nie te laat om te bespreek nie.
DR DRAKE GP that's not a Doctor, nor a GP.
I thought that by now you would know how to open a LAGER!
See you over the weekend, and I will give you lessons, with your stock, how to open a closed LAGER!!!!
Then it will be open!
My broer het n gesegte wat se. Ons gaan na dieselfde plek toe maar elke ou gaan op sy eie. Doen soos hy wil en wanner hy wil
Nico en Claudet Prinsloo
People, goeienaand. I have read all the postings on this thread, and I just want to add my view.
Many, many moons I belonged to a club, about 30 years ago, but due to the work that I/we do,, it became a hassle going on rallies, because you don't get away from the "work" situation. as there is always somenone wanting to order this and that, and we didn't rest at all.
During all these years that gone by, we stilll kept on doing work for clubs (please note, I make no mention of any specific club!!!!) and have found that you do get "clicks" or "groups", which exclude others of the same club, and you do get the "baddies" that will do stuff like breaking plastic chairs, and thrashing dust bins, etc. and most probably you will find that it could be "normal, responsible people" that will just "haak uit en maak droog" at rallies.
Having said that, it would not be responsible for any of us to "degrade" any club to a lot of "hooligans" in that club.
We will end up in a mudslinging discussion and in the end a bunch of 'baddies" ourselfs.
If anyone (David) like to join a club, and experience what David has experienced, let it be. Don't go there anymore. Leave them. Try to make contact with some other club, asking for info on next rally, and make sure you announce yourself to the chairman/ secretary, and see how it goes. Should you find yourself excluded again (on the "outside of the laager") just let it be.
If you experience a bad situation, there are ways and means to report it to the club's "head office", and see what happens.
I have contact with some regions of CCSA, Trekkers, Motorhome Club of SA, some of them I have been working for almost 30 years, and committees come and go, and the character of the region might change for some time, but eventually I reckon them to be a nice lot op people, from my point of view, and we must not let our long past bad experience with some 'baddies" and our negative comments on clubs be a reason for some of them to point a finger at this forum.
I have tried to prevent mudslinging and "degrading" of some or other resort on the 'other" forum and was completely misunderstood, and eventually decided to withdraw from that forum completely.
I think that this existing way of arranging rallies is better for all, and all you people must assist WilSur and arrange more rallies, more often, and you will have no need to go to any other rally with the "laager" idea!!! You may have quite a few lagers!!!, that is a must!!!
Altyd egte kampgroete.
Hi Manne en Maninne (as somebody else said here in),
A lot of water has passed under the bridge since starting this thread.
I can gladly say “I have learned the hard way”. But still cannot be persuaded that my initial beliefs were wrong. Due to my experiences, I personally met all new comers at Bloekompoort. I appreciate all depends on the individual, but seemed to work (see that thread)!
So, to the benefit of new comers that have seen this thread, where possible, I would like them to learn from my experiences.
The “forum” operates in much the way I was brought up. You make your booking and pay your dues up front or on arrival. In my mind, although still voluntary, is attendance of one get together to meet other members.
For what it is worth, I attended a rally and paid my dues at the gate. After settling in, a “ member” happened to see me and introduced me to the club.
At club rallies this is not how it works. There you arrive at the park and inform them, at the gate, you are with a club and continue to “gate crash” the park. Then you look for a place to register your arrival and pay your dues (normally in a hall or around a flag indicating the region). Some regions prefer that you inform them of your intention to attend, in advance (not that this worked for me). At the registration, you are normally provided with a program of the planned activities (attendance is your choice, although Chairman’s tea seems a must). I have seen comments on the forum that some members do not like these formal/military like activities …. I have never yet been forced to attend any and have missed quite a few!
Since starting this thread, I have attended 10 club rallies (officially 9) and all have turned out to be enjoyable, even despite my negative attitude on arrival of the first two!
The FORUM was the first to accept me as I am. For that reason and only that reason, I gave preference to their rally at Bloekompoort, whilst my club/region were rallying over the same week end elsewhere!
And a lot more water has passed under the bridge ...........
To cut a long story short .... a long time ago ----- round about the time I posted this topic, I sent numerous e-mails to CCSA which somebody there claimed I never sent if I could not prove it - not that you had an option to copy yoursef .... but I would not give up!
Any how, eventually had a response from Liesl (CCSA H/O) who also referred me to Tracey - both were very kind treated me with dignity and were always kind, especially after some sarcastic (or whatever) remarks from myself due just not getting some satisfaction.
After attending Koro-Koro rally, I was again at a rally where one of the forum members introduced me to CCSA where we joined the same week end.
I think that both now deserve a pat on the back for persevering with me - fortunately, I had the opportunity this week end to tell her this personally - this was our 30th CCSA rally as members.
........ and I recently took a transfer, belated to say the least, to Westerns who I have now rallied with 8 times. ...... and you may have guesed - Tracey is the Chairman.
Please, if any one feels like I did when posting this thread and you see my car (easy to recognise - my forum name), please look me up whether in a laager or not - I will be glad to provide guidance to overcome this - like they say "been there, done that, got the T-shirt"!
Gaan kuier gerus een naweek saam met Noord Vrystaat, veral as julle dit nog kan maak Virginia toe (Tikwe Lodge).
Daar kamp hulle in 'n helse groot sirkel en kuier in die middel - julle kan selfs onder eie rally sit hele naweek en atmosfeer geniet - niemand druk vir enigiets nie/ sit nie eers teenaan mekaar nie - hulle kom groet en nooi jou om saam te sit/braai.
Van hulle eet in die restaurant Sondag na hulle opgepak het - Heerlike "carvery" - net voor ons langpad huistoe aandurf (selfs so 270 km een rigting is vir ons die moeite werd) .
David die koppisol kamp was darem heerlik gewees die naweek. Eerste goefy games in 10 jaar gewees.
Ek stem - was ook goed om jou weer te sien, al was dit so kort.
I was pleasantly surprised to see this old thread pop up again.
I hope that my experiences add value to others who are/were not so happy with rallies.
In my difficulties, I amanged to join CCSA and have since attended 34 rallies with various regions. I am sure this would not have been the case if we were still unhappy.
Like Trevor, we enjoy sitting around the fire, in a way on our own, but don't feel alone in the company of other members.
Nobody makes us do anything - I have even attended a few rallies where I left to umpire cricket games for the day on a Saturday ...... of late, we leave early Saturday morning for a Parkrun and return at own leasure without any complaints - in fact welcomed back.