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Is a Offroad Caravan really necessary ???

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20 Nov 2020 @ 13:35:33 pm
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Good Day all - I need some advice / help

When looking to buy a caravan for general camping around the country, to see some beautiful hidden mountain sites or far out of the way hidden sites around the country, even the kruger /  and those beautiful beachfront caravan sites -  is it really necessary to buy a Offroad 4x4 caravan like a Jurgens Xscape / Explorer ?? Or can 99.9% of road caravans be sufficient to visit most places? Aren't the offroad ones more for Botswana 4x4 trips and such? I don't drive my bakkie fast on dirt roads anyway - so shouldn't be a problem driving a gravel road to certain places with a road caravan.

I need some advice here please - as for a caravan I will use one weekend a month and maybe 7 days twice a year - and I will not ever be doing 4x4 trails over rocks and thru rivers -  I would however once in a while maybe drive a small sand road maybe 1km with a few ups and downs here and there done slowly (but no obstacles or rocks) - to camp at a dam to do some weekend fishing. 

So would I really need to buy a Offroad Caravan? They are like twice the price of a normal caravan as well.

Yes the outside kitchen is nice - but when staying for a few days, you can still have a stand alone gas stove outside in the tent etc as well as few other items. I think the Offroad caravan with hot water, shower etc is more for like Botswana trips or into Africa where there  obviously are no ablutions.

Mainly me and the wife and maybe for a year or 2 the two children 17/18 - so might be just the 2 of us sooner than later.

And they like to sleep in pop up tents anyway - so dont need something big - just big enough to have a seperate seating area on a cold rainy night and a fixed double bed - thats about it

Looking at maybe around R 150k - Jurgens Penta / Gypsey Lite / Sprite Scout - or the like.

Advice / advice / advice please ? :)))))))

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20 Nov 2020 @ 14:11:56 pm
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N Engelsman in die vrystaat......

Ek het vir 13jr off-road waens gehad, ja Mozambique toe werk hulle maar dis gereëld gebruik op die XT140.

Met die explorer het ek tweekeer off-road gedoen. 

Het nie eers op Dinokeng se grondpad met hom vinnig gery nie.

Met die classique het ons alles, dis met hom ook ......home away from home....

Daar is baie plekke in Namibia en Botswana wat plekke 1 of 2 km van die grootpad is. Padwa kan daar ry.

Off-road nou weer koop, nee dankie.

Dan dit wat jy self noem tov off-road en hoeveel keer jy dit dalk sal doen, gaan nie eers gebeur nie.

Vat n lekker tent โ›บ met trailer as dit moet.

Sterkte met jou besluit.

 

 

 

As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

Die jonge Fransies. (Parys - Frankryk)
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20 Nov 2020 @ 14:26:38 pm
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Thanks for your reply and thoughts - n Afrikaaner met n Engels se bynaam? :)))

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20 Nov 2020 @ 14:50:23 pm
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"ek" hou nie van off road nie  die vrou soek gerief met loopende water ens.  Maar glo as ek die gaan doen sal dit met tente wees.  Roof tent op sleepwa en as ek kinders het Rooftop op DC.

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20 Nov 2020 @ 15:15:02 pm
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Thanks for your reply and thoughts - n Afrikaaner met n Engels se bynaam? :)))

Lol......

 

As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

Die jonge Fransies. (Parys - Frankryk)
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20 Nov 2020 @ 19:38:46 pm
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Ek is happy met pad wa....sou van gravel roader gehou het vir grond paaie, maar hoe n padwa binne lyk trek ons baie. Ons het al met tent ook kampeer waar ons nie met wa wou gaan nie. Ek dink ook my 2.2 is bietjie lig vir baie 4x4 waens.

Vriende van ons het n Conqueror off roader.....die rofste pad wat hy al gesleep het in 6 jaar is Mbizi toe.....maar hy hou van die off roader, al sleep hy hom met n Vito๐Ÿ˜‰

Op die einde moet jy self besluit....elkeen kamp verskillend

WAARSKUWING:

Kampeer is aansteeklik en verslawend ๐Ÿ˜
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20 Nov 2020 @ 21:36:37 pm
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Greetings Guy, 

  It sounds as though you may have done a fair bit of camping in the past so you at least some Ideas.

I would suggest that you start with the limits on your car, and past experience of towing to set a "would like list".  

Take your time to look around, depending on the vehicle you drive you have a choice ranging from very large luxury vans with all the mod cons down to the smallest camping trailers with only the very basics and everything in between.

To me, some of the disadvantages of the off Road 4 x4,s are the price and the weight for a normal family car to tow.

It took us about a year and visits to many dealers, factories and parks as well as reading  a lot of outdoor mags before making our final choice, a tented trailer "Skipper Oyster" which after 4 years we still really enjoy, although it is not every ones choice.

Good luck and go in safety.

 

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21 Nov 2020 @ 07:33:06 am
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I do some gravel with my old girl (93 Penta) and everytime the road is different and everytime I fear something is going to break.

Remember, you get gravel and you get gravel.

I think a smaller and lighter caravan would work better, especially if you could add some larger diameter tyres that can be run at lower pressure to minimise the road vibrations.

Next is to think about dust and how it can get into your van.

Hopefully you will drive slow enough that rocks should not be a problem.

Enjoy!!!

 

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21 Nov 2020 @ 08:09:48 am
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I have a gravel roader, which is ideal for what we expect from a caravan.

Etosha and the Kgalagadi are but two examples of places which is out of bounds for road caravans. 
With all jobs that need to be done, people who know what they do also know that the appropriate tool makes all the difference.

Decide where you want to go, the extremities your caravan will be subjected to, and then pick your van, bearing in mind that both Etosha and Kgalagadi has destroyed more than one road caravan.

Be who you are and say how you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
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21 Nov 2020 @ 15:27:56 pm
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I think a Sprite SP Tourer type van should be enough for the type of travel you seem to want, but a good second hand one will probably be R200k. We have a Skipper T Lt and that will go any where our Subaru Forester could go and that cost us R104k new, could do Namibia if we wanted. The big thing about offroad capabilities is the aproach and departure angles of the terrain you want to do. Also having done Baviaanskloof and Naudees Pass from Rhodes with a Jurgens T65 tent trailer it is important to have straps and buckles to hold luggage down, and cupboard doors and hinges are a weakness.

Our friends have something like the BushLapa and they tow with a 2.0L Subaru and dont even want to travel through Underberg because it weighs 1.5 ton and is too much of a struggle towing up some hills so an offroader does have that disadvantage over something like we have that is only 360kg unloaded.

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21 Nov 2020 @ 16:03:32 pm
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I, like Paul, am an avid fan of the Skipper having bought one about four years ago as it suited our present needs best.  Everything Paul says about the Skipper, I support.  One must however make out a case of whether you can get along with a very basic unit like the Skipper, if you plan so do a reasonable amount of soft roading- note SOFT roading- the Skipper is not a two wheeled Jeep after all, or whether you need something more substantial which you will use on tarred roads most of the time. If there happens to be short stretches of dirt roads to your camping ground, the normal, soft body caravan should be able to do this at a very leisurely pace. And if once in a while you want to go really off road, you have to accept this will not be with your caravan.   I also do not think an off road caravan is worth the price and the lack of space if you might just occasionally go off road.  We had a 1984 Sprite Supersport before and found it to be able to handle the occasional good dirt road, and even took in to the Kgalagadi once without destroying it.  But I don't think modern caravans will be able to stand up to this as members indicated above.  It might be an idea to look at one of the real oldies if you can find one is a good condition.  Ours which we sold when when got the Skipper, for instance, was such a one, so you might just be lucky.  And the price would be strongly in your favour.

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23 Nov 2020 @ 07:33:01 am
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We love the comfort of our caravan.  Been there done that, camping with only the bear necessities.

Been living in the felt during training trips (SANDF).  Learned there that one can either "sukkel" while doing your work or be comfortable.

Now I tow my caravan everywhere limited to about 3Km of gravel road per trip. If the gravel road is longer we take the tent.  As we normally camp very comfortable in a tent.  From Porta Potty to running water pumped from a 25l drum at the dish washing stand.  I don't sleep on the ground unnecessary.  Got a double camping bed with side stands and lights.

So we can still visit off the beaten track places if we want.

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23 Nov 2020 @ 09:10:57 am
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There is only one Off road Caravan that gives me close to the same comfort as the Maia and that is the Nayela Okapi.

 

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23 Nov 2020 @ 10:16:25 am
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WE have a bush-4x4-trailer and a Fleetline and have considered trading both in for a gravel caravan or a full boddied 4x4 caravan. The problem is that nowadays we do so little 4x4. We use the 4x4 trailer when we visit the Cederberg and such like places, but its always nicer to use the Fleetline, a 4x4 trailer is not a one night stand thing. 

I have planned a 90 day tour in 2021 from the Cape via Natal, Kruger Park, Botswana Kasane, Caprivi, Etosha, Swakopmund, all the way back ..... using the Fleetline. This requires serious planning to keep to tarred roads. It will also be our first into Botswana without the 4x4 trailer.

Maybe I will stick to my combination. Here are some photos of us in the Cederberg this past weekend on a private farm, absolutely alone. SERIOUS 4x4 track. At one stage I had the one front wheel of the Fortuner 600mm in the air. Eish.

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23 Nov 2020 @ 12:20:53 pm
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Hi All,

Thanks very much for all the feedback - very informative.

Towing vehicle not a problem - Amarok V6 with stage 2 so 750 N.m torque :))) But then saying that - I also dont want to really get it scratched by thorn bushes and damage it on rocks and do extreme 4x4 roads. And even when I go fishing with my normal trailer I take it slow on the bad dirt roads with corragations, I dont drive it like a Toyota on dirt roads :))))) So I'm sure as long as no big rocks to navigate and deep angles to go thru, a road van should be okay, would be taking it very slow on a dirt road anyway.

I dont think we would go deep into Botswana or really off the beaten trail. However places around Rhodes and those area's I would like to go to (brother lived in Maclear for a long time so know the area from then but not recently, obviously the roads have gotten bad. And dont think I would go up to Etosha, but maybe Ai Ais, been there with my Parents when i was young in a Fleetline 6. Maybe across to Luderitz etc, but more SA for now coast to coast.

Mainly the normal places everyone goes to, to see our country from pillar to post and maybe 1 or 2 a little out of the way if possible. Drakensberg, I dont know Underberg area so well but Royal Natal Park etc, normal van can do. But seems that area from Aliwal North and around to Underberg has beautiful places and a few passes - a normal Van won't be able to do it???

I'm really between 2 minds. Will keep thinking and pondering :)

 

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23 Nov 2020 @ 13:04:03 pm
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I may be wrong, and I know that vehicle owners tend to add a kilowatt or torque here and there, but as far as I know the Amaroc is a 190 kilowatter with 580 torque and if the computer sees there is a need for more power it provides 10 kilowatt more for ten seconds. 

It remains a mighty strong engine for a bakkie. Although it only start to pick up kilowatts from 3000 revs, its the torque curve that is impressive. Without the turbo it produces less kilowatt than any other V6 or four cylinders on the market.

The reason for Amaroc and Ford joining forces derives from the bad sales figures. 

I have driven the V6 Amaroc and I found that it would probably be an excellent tow vehicle, so sorry about the price tag.  

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23 Nov 2020 @ 14:10:29 pm
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Ek gaan maar in Afrikaans bly hoop dis reg die antwoord waar en hoeveel keer gaan jy weg as jy regtig baie bos / off grit gaan toe verseker n off road caravan of trailer ietjie bos waar paaie mooi is sal n wa soos jou Sprite Tourer SW of SP die ding doen as dit jou Aventura / ATKV tipe oorde is sal gewone pad caravan werk sterkte met jou besluit

Haak daai wa kamp bly koning
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23 Nov 2020 @ 14:16:05 pm
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You have a lot of options with that Amarock. If i had that vehicle and the finances would definately go for the Gravel roader Sprite Tourer Sp. You will be able to do most places in comfort, except Kalagadi and Baviaanskloof and will have the luxury that an on road caravan has and if i am not mistaken think it has an outside kitchen which to my thinking is best.

Good luck with your decision and happy camping.

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23 Nov 2020 @ 14:23:38 pm
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Dansan,

Standard Amarok V6 comes out with 165kw with 15kw on tape for 10 seconds. In standard form still out drags the Mercedes 350 V6 with it's 190kw's.

I however have done Stage 1 and Stage 2 on mine, computer print out shows 252Kw and 749 N.m. Also hits 225km/h rather quickly and can go more if pushed, but didn't want to push it to hard. 

Believe me when I say I'm not imagining it - I've pulled a double axle trailer at 200km up a long sloped hill to out drag a Wildtrack 3.2 with Stage 1, by far to prove a point. Cruise Control at 120km/h  up Penhoek pass, stays in 8th doesn't change a gear, so it would tow anything :))) 

However I don't want a huge van as it would be just me and the wife at some stage. Also dont want to just spend a whole heap of $$$ on something that will stand more than it's used - so there is that to think about also.

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23 Nov 2020 @ 14:26:55 pm
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Paddy & Paul

I always liked Jurgens, something about the Sprite and the old Gypsey's just gave me that feeling they were a little less well made than the Jurgens. I could obviously be mistaken - just the feeling I had. Although maybe the price would beg to differ these days :))

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23 Nov 2020 @ 15:12:16 pm
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Welkom Guy, I am curious to know why you had your car's engine modified to perform like that. 

I can now say I know of someone who is into out-dragging someone else whilst towing and tows at 200 kph! I am of the school of thought that believes 100 kph is the maximum one should tow at if "rather safe than sorry' is one's motto.

Incidentally, I see the new two liter Ranger out performs the 3.2. It has more kilowatt and torque.

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23 Nov 2020 @ 15:15:37 pm
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Welkom Guy, this photo of an Amaroc was taken in Sept 20101, at that time I have never seen an Amoroc and I have feeling it was not yet released at the time . This bakkie was severely tested in the mountains between Steytlervilla and Baviaanskloof. At the time of the photo it was packed with concrete blocks. It has come a long way since. 

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23 Nov 2020 @ 15:35:56 pm
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Kanneman :))

No the Drag was to prove a point - was a once off to quieten my die hard Ford fanatic Friend :)))

Technically it is now a Amarok V6 R

The reason for upgrading my Bakkie - was to be "Baas van die Plaas" here in Welkom :)))

But also made it a bit lighter on diesel when driving "normal" - get between 10 and 11 km/L driving 130km/h

Maar ook gedoen om al die mannetjies met Gti's, bietjie pakslaai te gee elke nou en dan - en net daai verbaaste uitdriking op hulle gesigte te sien...... :)) dan se ek vir hulle, gaan maar Volkswagen toe en koop vir jo n Amarok boet :)) But I'm getting older now, so driving at a more sensible speed :)

Dansan, also voted International Bakkie of the year (twice)

 

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23 Nov 2020 @ 16:23:45 pm
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Welkom Guy, as ek reg onthou is Welkom 'n dorp wat deur myne omring word, en wat nie robotte gehad het nie, net verkeers sirkels.

As julle ouens dice en daar is nie verkeersligte om as afsetter te dien nie, hoe maak julle met die wegspring?

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23 Nov 2020 @ 16:28:52 pm
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Hahaha - yes something like 30 circles in town. But we do have 2 x robots? :))

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23 Nov 2020 @ 18:11:39 pm
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There is only one Off road Caravan that gives me close to the same comfort as the Maia and that is the Nayela Okapi.

 

 

Die Okapi is darem maar state of the art. Ek wonder maar net oor so n groot affering met offroad. Volgens my is die doel van 'n offroad juis om by onbegaanbare plekke te kom, wat sekerlik meet en pas gaan vereis. Gaan jy nie sit met 'n wa wat die vermoe het om hardcore offroad te doen maar te groot is om dit te doen nie? Dan eerder die Mobi Lodge, wat sekerlik ook alle luukses in het.

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24 Nov 2020 @ 06:58:21 am
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I think we got a bit sidetracked with all the drag racing, but yea...

 

This does bring up a very good point regarding a road caravan and a gravel roader, not 4x4 van or trailer.

What constitutes a gravel roader?

Also been thinking about something like that. For me I very much liked the old style XCape with the 2 doors, but that is more like 4x4 and extremely heavy.

Rather looking for something light but still a caravan?

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24 Nov 2020 @ 07:18:37 am
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I should think a sturdy undercarriage, suspension, including tyres that can absorb and cope with corrugations, and bodywork that is teeth rattling vibration resistant. Ground clearance is less important, but will come as a bonus with the upgraded suspension, shocks ad tyres.

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24 Nov 2020 @ 07:40:37 am
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So 'n klompie jaar gelede het ek met 'n kêrel by TO Strand gepraat.  Hy en sy gesin het, soos ons, met 'n karavaan gekamp wat hy met 'n bakkie gesleep het.  Hy was van Gravellotte  naby Phalaborwa en hy en sy vrou het twee mooi dogtertjies gehad van seker soi tussen drie en vyf jaar oud.  Hy vertel my toe met trots dat hy op die hele pad vanaf sy tuisdorp, nie deur 'n enkele voertuig verbygegaan is nie.  Ek het toe niks gesê nie- ek was bang hy bliksem my, en ek sê ook nou niks, maar ek, en ek meen almal op hierdie groep,  weet wat ek dink.

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24 Nov 2020 @ 07:53:13 am
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Mobi Lodge - a bit of a off roader? take on the bad gravel corrugated roads?

Anyone have one? Experiences?

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24 Nov 2020 @ 08:06:59 am
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Welkom Guy, as ek reg onthou is Welkom 'n dorp wat deur myne omring word, en wat nie robotte gehad het nie, net verkeers sirkels.

As julle ouens dice en daar is nie verkeersligte om as afsetter te dien nie, hoe maak julle met die wegspring?

Goeie vraag.   Die manne gooi 'n bierbottel in die lug en skiet hom met 'n haelgeweer.   Dan begin die dice.

Welkom Guy ons spot net.tongue-out

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24 Nov 2020 @ 12:10:50 pm
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Ek Weet hahaha - ek like die Look van die Quantum Comfort Deluxe, bietjie van alles.

But is it a wooden van or not?

Eish I don't know what to do anymore / I need a break to think :))) to many options.

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24 Nov 2020 @ 18:02:52 pm
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Mobi Lodge - a bit of a off roader? take on the bad gravel corrugated roads?

Anyone have one? Experiences?

mobi lodge is a proper offroader, not soft roader. Complaints I picked up were dust and water leaks in the pull out section. Sure it would have been sorted out by now. Eendag as ek groot is gaan ek 'n Mobi Lodge he.

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25 Nov 2020 @ 07:05:58 am
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Mobi Lodge - a bit of a off roader? take on the bad gravel corrugated roads?

Anyone have one? Experiences?

All I can say is............................

Have a look at the Nayela Okapi Caravan as well.

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25 Nov 2020 @ 08:11:48 am
Fred
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Die Mobi Lodge is myns insiens een van die onaantreklike waens op die mark. Dit lyk vir my soos 'n perdewa. Dalk is dit goed ingerig binne- ek het nog nooit moeite gedoen om te kyk nie.

Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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25 Nov 2020 @ 11:13:48 am
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Ek was verbaas met die uitleg van die Mobi Lodge.   Alles het 'n plekkie en is stylvol.

Die Nayela Okapi is egter meer my smaak as ek tussen die twee moet kies.  Ek hou die hoee pop-up dak wat maak dat dit voel asof daar meer ruimte is.  Die lae profiel as die dag toe is doen dit vir my en is 'n plus punt as jy in die bos is.   Minder hakplekke vir takke en bome.

Ek glo tussen die twee sal dit oor persoonlike keuse wees as 'n man moet kies.  Ek kry amper die indruk dat die Nayela meer houe kan vat as ek na sy buite kant kyk.  Ek mag verkeerd wees.

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25 Nov 2020 @ 16:54:55 pm
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Yes the Nayela Okapi looks impressive and I like the high pop up roof also as well as it being lower profile with roof down for towing. Easier fit into my property, normal height vans don't fit, so that's a plus.

The double axle will sort out the potholes for sure. 

I loved the look of the Wilks Topaz which had those Alien window eyes in front and so does the Okapi.

Can't believe they don't have a auto step on such a sophisticated van with electric pop up and awning etc. Still using the old plastic step - that sometimes you may forget behind :))) My Grandfather did twice in the old days :)))

Also wonder when they say a roof top aircon can be fitted - where would that be with the pop up roof?

There a waiting period for it? Where to be viewed?

If money was no object what about that Sahara Monster :)

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25 Nov 2020 @ 17:23:38 pm
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Ja-nee wragtie- die Okapi is 'n indrukwekkende karavaan.  Die uitleg is ook heel oulik en die dubbel-as maak baie sin.  Die gewig lyk laag vir so'n groot 4X4 karavaan- ek wonder of dit reg is?  Die prys is ook heel OK.  Ek sou hom net met bladvere verkies het.

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26 Nov 2020 @ 18:10:27 pm
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Sal maar weer n XT 140 kry vir plan "B"

 

As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

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26 Nov 2020 @ 18:18:43 pm
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Nee, wat. Hierdie lyf van my akkordeer nie meer met die tent opslaan ding nie. Ek wig en weeg tussen Tourer 0f Nomad conversion op my Surfer. 

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27 Nov 2020 @ 11:30:46 am
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Ja-nee wragtie- die Okapi is 'n indrukwekkende karavaan.  Die uitleg is ook heel oulik en die dubbel-as maak baie sin.  Die gewig lyk laag vir so'n groot 4X4 karavaan- ek wonder of dit reg is?  Die prys is ook heel OK.  Ek sou hom net met bladvere verkies het.

Fred dit is die enigste karavaan wat ek sal oorweeg om die Maia te vervang.  Ek laaik hom kwaai! ! ! ! ! ! !

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27 Nov 2020 @ 16:22:06 pm
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Ek sien wat ek sien. Jy moet maar fotos vir ons plaas wanneer jou Okapi afgelewer is, Leon.Ek is nogal verbaas dat die Mobi Lodge so min aandag kry. Volgens my lyk dit ook na 'n puik produk.

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27 Nov 2020 @ 18:25:03 pm
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Daardie uitskuif slaapkamer kontrepsie  van die Mobi Lodge lyk vir my baie verdag wanneer dit by rowwe toestande kom.  ‘n Badkamer met ‘n toilet “fit for a king”, maar is dit geskik vir bos-toestande waar die gesegde “when the going gets tough, the tough gets going” geld?  En ‘n standaard karavaan hoogte dak in die bos?

Die onderwerp opskrif is mos “off road”, nie “ gravel roader” nie.

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27 Nov 2020 @ 18:32:19 pm
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Daar is 'n paar videos wat hulle die Mobi Lodge deur behoorlike off road vuurdoop sit en dit lyk of hy dit goed hanteer. Maar ja, daar was klagtes oor water lekplekke en stof wat by die uiskuif eenheid inkom. Weet nie of dit al reggestel is nie.   

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