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11 May 2012 @ 07:46:25 am
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Hi Campers,

Frans got me thinking,he said back in 1990 there was a rally near warmbaths were 650 vans attended.Now I don't know first of all if there is a park to organize such a big rally.Two there are so many caravan clubs around the country etc,I don't think it will be a problem to get 700 vans to attend.Imagine what a GROOT POTJIEKOS we could make.Any suggestions?

Happy Camping Almal

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11 May 2012 @ 11:12:03 am
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A Guinness Book of records rally for the most caravans Wink

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11 May 2012 @ 12:14:08 pm
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Hi Brian,

That's a brillant idea.Wilsur,Nico,Willie,and Duncan what do you think?Have any other bright idea's?Thank's for the input Brian,just maybe we can get a GROOT CARAVAN RALLY organized with a little help from our friends.

Happy Camping Almal

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11 May 2012 @ 13:42:23 pm
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Graham, Brian,

I don't have a problem with that, the only problem that I find is the responses to a normal Rally / Saamtrek we try to put together.

Just take the August rally at ATKV Eiland Spa, it’s over a long week-end and the day in between is a school holiday and it is outside the very cold Highveld area, yet I wonder if we will fill the 20 stands allocated to us ???

Then there is the Easter long week end planned for next year, the week before and after the long week-end is school holidays and from my house in Daspoort Pretoria it is only 340km and Eiland is around 100km further.  Even the petrol is much cheaper there and it is lovely warm etc.

I don’t know but it seems that today everyone just wants to be alone and it is a group the only close family or friends, why I don’t know ???

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11 May 2012 @ 14:01:11 pm
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Willem/Graham I was just joking actually and I agree that does seem to be the trend from what I have been reading. Even if one could put together those kind of numbers just finding a suitable venue could be tricky. The planning and administration would be a nightmare.

However if there was a proper campain stating what the goal is and advertising throught the various clubs then perhaps there would be some interest. One would need the buy in from the clubs to start with. 

The venue would have to be central to attract all the different regions, having been out of caravaning for the last few years I don't know of any such venue.

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11 May 2012 @ 14:51:57 pm
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Hi Wilsur,

Thanks for your input,I agree with Brian and you.I do feel the potential is there national for something like this to possibly happen even as a one off.The seed has been planted never know what can happen.Thank's once again.

Happy Camping Almal

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11 May 2012 @ 17:23:14 pm
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Unfortunatly there is not a lot of parks that can accomodate this type of rally. I know in the days when rally sa was still 4 and 500 caravans they used to put tempry showers up and you had to accept that there will be very little power if any at all. With the right promotion on the forum and caravan and outdoor life and wegsleep this will be posible. It will have to be a park close to JHB and Pta as the most caravaners live here.

On a rally like this you will be parking 4 or 5 vans per stand to accomodate all.

Not easy to arange but defnitly posible

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11 May 2012 @ 17:51:20 pm
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Hi Nico,

That' sound's great,even if it was done as a one off and then take it from there.Maybe a couple of records can be broken as well.I think this might motivate more interest in rallies.

Happy Camping Almal

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12 May 2012 @ 07:24:45 am
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Hi Wilsur Brian Nico,

Willie did mention Suikerbos rand near Meyerton has 240 sites plus chalets.Now just a suggestion maybe the theme can be SAVE THE RHINO.Two caravans per site will make about 500vans and if each site has a adapter so both vans get electricity.R10.00 donation per van for the Rhino.Have the rally over the week-end two-three nights.We could approach Caravan mag and Wegsleep mag for free advertising SAVE THE RHINO GROOT CARAVAN RALLY,get the Clubs involved etc.What do the Forum member's think?

Happy Camping Almal

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12 May 2012 @ 12:18:03 pm
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As far as I know suikerbos is closed

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12 May 2012 @ 13:36:30 pm
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Hi Nico,

Thanks for the response,it seems as if Suikerbos has closed down.I phoned Koppisol and they said they have 100 sites.So it seems as if the days of Groot Caravan Rallies are over.Well it was worth a try.

Happy Camping Almal

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12 May 2012 @ 16:50:42 pm
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Slightly off topic but who remembers Mossel Bay in the 90's ?

One year there were an estimated 2500 vans in the area for Xmas, think it was '95?  800 got into Hartenbos, Die Bakke could not squeeze in a mouse, same with the Point and the rest were obscenely packed to the rafters. 

We were at Dunepark and spent the day marvelling at this lot.

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12 May 2012 @ 18:02:56 pm
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Hi Duncan,

WOW that must of been quite something.

Happy Camping Almal

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12 May 2012 @ 23:55:21 pm
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What about forever bela bela or even eiland?

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13 May 2012 @ 17:54:57 pm
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Hi All

Willie, Graham, Brian and Willem if we want to do this we need to start some discution offline. Please forward me your contact detail and if you have n skype address to natgaai#gmail.com

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15 May 2012 @ 08:18:54 am
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The bigest concern will be power as there are a lot of vans using only 220v power. Yes it would be nice and it is possible if a venue can be found.

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15 May 2012 @ 09:30:05 am
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Oom hennie die idee is om een of twee genarators ook te gebruik vir krag

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30 May 2012 @ 08:40:51 am
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OK you bunch of wise guys! Looks like I’m going to have to get involved.

I hope you all realise that the logistics is phenomenal, and the planning will be a nightmare.

I will have a meeting with Gonnie within the next few days, and put together a few ideas. Let’s see what happens, and what the potential will be and also a possible venue.

This idea of a “Huge Rally” has been discussed before with a few ideas thrown in.

I do not know about trying to set up or trying to break the Guinness Book of records, but the idea is worth a try to revive it!

I will say one thing: simply to punish you guys, all of you who have had as say in this crazy idea before my response, WILL be involved! As soon as a working committee has been formed, YOU ALL will be nominated as "Planning Committee Members!"

Now get your thinking caps on!

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30 May 2012 @ 09:14:33 am
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Willie looks like you will have to travel to Bela Bela again. They have around 300 stands and we can always double up without power problems.

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31 May 2012 @ 07:17:52 am
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Must try to keep the venue central to attract all campers. Will this include tents or only caravans. Large open space that can be demarkated into stands around PROPER Mobile ablution facilities and power supplied by Eskom or generator.

The idea is to get as many caravans and tents in as possible. Arrange a music concert all to the benefit of Rhino's. This can become very big. I truly believe Theuns Jordaan will sing one song for the Rhinos.

Big thing is it does not need to be a caravan park or resort.

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31 May 2012 @ 07:55:15 am
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Hi Willie Leon,

Sounds like things are taking off,for the biggest caravan rally ever to be held-for the RHINO-Theuns Jordaan and some other singers can add to the occasion.Thanks Willie for your input and for joining in.What do the Forum campers think about asking our fellow campers from all the clubs for there input as well,Wilsur Nico.

Happy Camping Almal

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31 May 2012 @ 08:22:49 am
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Hi, what a fantastic idea. Just think Splashy Fen started off small and look what it has grown to. Imagine the aroma of braai's, instead of "grass".
I know Penny Pinchers get together 3 times a year at Karridene and the park is pack out. Not sure how many vans there are, maybe 100 - 200 plus. I have heard that the people that go have a ball. These are all retired people, but if they can get it together why cant us "young" do it. Obviously it is not a big as you are thinking but you have to start somewhere. They use the same venue every time and believe it or not they pay R55.00 per couple per day. They stay for up to 10 days. This is really cheap camping. For most of the couples this is a standard date and the book their favorite site well in advance.
Imagine if you can get it off the ground it can become an annual thing and become as famous a Splashy fen. Oh dream on.
Regards MArg
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31 May 2012 @ 09:03:46 am
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Hi Graham,

Yes, Nico is out the country but we have to formulate the team "Planning Committee Members” as Willie is calling it.  Let’s wait for Willie to come back to us (via e-mail) then we can start the process (off-line) and feedback to the Forum from time-to-time as other Forums and loads of other campers will also be involved.

I think that Bela-Bela will be an appropriate option as they can accommodate around 300 without pushing in more than the standard stands available.

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31 May 2012 @ 10:37:11 am
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Hi Wilsur and Marg,

Thanks Marg for the photo and input,that can only give us all more enthusiam to make it work.

Wilsur 100% right we will wait for Nico to get back,and wait for Willie to get back to us.Bela Bela sounds good.

Happy Camping Almal

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01 Jun 2012 @ 07:29:37 am
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I have identified a large piece of ground that will accommodate about 1000 caravans enough space for a stage and seating to accommodate the concert as well. Friends of mine is helping me to get the contact no of the owner. If I get hold of him I will give you feed back.

Whatch this space.

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01 Jun 2012 @ 10:31:37 am
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Hi Leon,

That sounds fantastic,all the caravan clubs can join and campers with a large piece of ground like that.Waiting on Willie Wilsur and Nico to get the ball rolling.When we can all touch base,hope to see you there.If Theuns Jordaan could sing a song for the RHINO that would be great.

Happy Camping Almal

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01 Jun 2012 @ 11:10:35 am
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Morning All

Yes I am in Angola untill the 26th of June but posibly untill end aug. All depending on Visa's. But I will be avalable on mail and will be glad to help with the planning of this rally.

 

 

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01 Jun 2012 @ 15:57:48 pm
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Hi Leon/everyone,
 Where about is this piece of ground. It would be nice to google it. It there electricity and water? This is a big undertaking with a lot of planning. When do you think the big camp out will be, winter or summer?
Regards MArg
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03 Jun 2012 @ 16:16:46 pm
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Marg,

We have just started and still need to have our 1st meeting but the thoughts is around the long week-end in Aug. 2013, Bela-Bela as they are the only resort that can offer us 298 stands.

Will keep you ALL posted as soon as we have more facts on the table.

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04 Jun 2012 @ 09:03:28 am
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Hoewel ek geen inligting het nie, het ek tog al gewonder of die Nampo-oesdag se terrein naby Bothaville nie 'n opsie is nie.

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04 Jun 2012 @ 09:26:11 am
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Adri.

Ek dink jou idee is baie meer in die regte rigting vir n rekordbreker saamtrek.

Sentraal in die land en reeds bestaande fesiliteite en baie spasie op die parkeerareas.

Bestaande sale vir vertonings en uitstallings vir karavaan vervaardigers ens

Die enigste probleem vir my is ablusiegeriewe en kragvoorsiening vir so baie mense,

 

Weet iemand dalk wat die wereld rekord vir so n saamtrek is, en wat SA se rekord is?

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04 Jun 2012 @ 09:51:50 am
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Willie’s bit.

One thing we MUST take into account, irrespective where we will hold our Groot Rally, and that is: We CANNOT use, or hire a large piece of undeveloped land! The logistics with regards electricity for one, and then access and access roads, ablutions/bathrooms and refuse removal etc. will be unbelievable. All sorts of Municipal regulations with regards sanitation will be stringent and from a cost point of view, out of the question!

We must utilise a conventional and established caravan park with a suitable infrastructure.

If, as an example, the park only has 150 sites, we can double up. In a situation with regards a caravan rally, we will all take into consideration an overcrowding factor. We are not on a holiday where overcrowding for example, will create a problem. Unlike an open piece of land with absolute unsanitary and extremely smelly and primitive ablutions etc. Believe me, our wives will not tolerate extremely primitive facilities – we are not “Bundu Bashing!”

I am putting a tentative working Planning Committee together, and will announce the members soon.

 

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04 Jun 2012 @ 11:01:27 am
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I say we must go big or else it would just be another rally with mabe a little more members attending. This must be BIG that includes camping, outdoor show, flee market, Concert for the Rhinos (Die Huisgenoot konsert moet soos 'n fulletjie lyk) and on Sunday a large church service ask Oom Angus to speak to us.

Go for GOLD on this one. All money should go for the Rhino project and paying for services like set up of infra structure, elekt and water and sanitation.

Gaan vir Goud of los dit. Met beplanning kan volgende jaar se Beeld outdoor show betrek word, Irene Mark betrek word en as jy regtig wil PTA se fees wat daar naby Zambesi Mall gehou was betrek word. Meeste van die reelings bestaan die venue van sommiges en datums moet skuif.

Dis nou maar my siening

 

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04 Jun 2012 @ 11:07:04 am
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For the rally to be noted in the Gunness Book of Records will cost a lot something like 2800 Euros. Don't think we must go there for the first one. Try it for the next.

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04 Jun 2012 @ 12:11:42 pm
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Hi, I wonder if a letter can be drafted to the various caravan clubs asking them for input or suggestions. It can be explained that it is in the early stages and all suggestions will be welcome. Most times it is who you know and not what you know. If you added up all the people who belong to the various clubs it must amount to many. They are firstly campers in our eyes but secondly have careers in various fields, and some of them might have connections in the right place to help get this off the ground, especially for sponsors and entertainment etc. There must be campers who have access to social commitments through their work, like the fuel companies, Vodacom, Mr Price, Mondi etc. Clubs normally plan a year ahead where they are going so if they can plan the August Rallys at the "Groot Outspan". Entertainers also plan well ahead, they only need to be notified of the intent and see if there is any interest. Various radio station can ask for pledges towards saving the rhino or even broadcast from the campsite asking for pledges.
I think this is a fantastic idea and if members of our club do participate we will make every effort to make the "groot trek" with them.
Regards MArg
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04 Jun 2012 @ 13:01:02 pm
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If I may from the boring camper "I am putting a tentative working Planning Committee together, and will announce the members soon"  Lets wait for Willie we have had a quick chat and yes we have all this in mind thus he suggested that Prof Neels join us, not for his activities on the Forum by for who he knows.

I’m sure that whoever is going to be part of the team will be asking loads of campers to assist in some way to make this Groot Camping Rally come true and alive.

q

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04 Jun 2012 @ 15:08:00 pm
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1) Adri, Nampo se kampterrein klein, dalk in die uitstal area, maar ek dink toestemming gaam moeilik wees.

2) Johan, (Perdeby), daardie rally in Mei 1990 was die grootste in Suid-Afrika, en so sal die KSA ook kan bevestig, dit was die tweede grootste in die Suidelike Halfrond, met een in Australië wat groter was, en natuurlik in Noordelike Halfrond in VSA  die Amercan Airstreams wat in hulle duisende bymekaarkom.

3) I think your only park will be Warmbaths that can accomodate that numbers, with plenty to do for the children.

4) Long weekend it must be!!!

5) Nowadays with so many vans with own shower and other facilities, it would be a good arrangement to get them aside, to get the vans with no facilities closer to the ablutions. (Jy moet party pappas en mammas sien draf na toilet toe as die nood daar is!!!!, dit is erg!!!) Also be prepared to leave your vehicle in a pre-arranged parking area, away form the camping area.

6) KSA (CCSA) will  be your best co-host, the 1990 one was arranged by the 5 regions as mentioned, and they will put it down in theit planning for the next year, also get to all the other clubs and get them involved.

7) You will have to ask attending vans not to put up main tents, stick to rally tents only, (mense, daar is m**r baie tenttoue, en jy val jou disnis snags oppad ablusie toe, en dan is party mense nog onder die prop ook, en sal sommer met die neerlvalslag  onder jou rally inrol en daar lê en slaap!!!!) Wees vooraf bedag daarop dat jy min privaatheid gaan hê, vat oorpluisies saam, want daai ander tannie langs jou en die oom oorkant jou gaan helse dik boomstompe snags bykom met die saag (Snork)!!!!

Voorspoed met die reëlings, en mag julle dit regkry om meer as 651 waens in te boek!!!

Altyd egte kampgroete.

Frans.

 

PS: I am trying to get hold of a copy of that C & O Life magazine of July 1990, there was a nice write-up on the rally, with other statistics as well. At this stage I must rely on my memory alone, and it is not that good any more!!! but what I have said about the rally, can be verified by Nationa Council of CCSA!!!! (I hope)

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22 Jun 2012 @ 09:54:07 am
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ANY THING? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

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22 Jun 2012 @ 10:39:44 am
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Leon,

We are waiting for Willie.  He said "I am putting a tentative working Planning Committee together, and will announce the members soon" then we need to have a meeting to start the process

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22 Jun 2012 @ 12:15:30 pm
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Ok – let’s get the ball rolling.

I have decided to start off with only five Forums Members as our preliminary planning committee for our CaravanParks.com “Save the Rhino” Groot Saamtrek/Rally.

Willie Bromehead

Willem Britz

Graham Heeley

Nico Prinsloo

Leon Coetzee

It could be a good idea if we all meet at the Atlanta Rally. I think I will make this one, and can or will Willem, graham, Nico and Leon also be there?

Are we OK with this?

 

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22 Jun 2012 @ 13:02:37 pm
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I'm in and camping.

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22 Jun 2012 @ 14:04:36 pm
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Currently out of the country. Most probably during that time also. Will only know closer to the date.

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22 Jun 2012 @ 14:58:54 pm
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Hi William,

Looks good, confirm in the next day or two if attending rally.

Happy Camping Almal

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22 Jun 2012 @ 16:31:52 pm
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Willie I will be there Camping

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22 Jun 2012 @ 17:55:49 pm
BigFoot
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Hi Willie,

I am in as well and camping,goed.

Happy Camping Almal

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23 Jun 2012 @ 14:05:44 pm
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Great Graham

Just make your booking.   Willie you too.

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25 Jun 2012 @ 15:38:19 pm
DR DRAKE GP not a Doctor nor a GP
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Hi Guys,

Am I missing something here?

I don't see any mention of what the Guiness record is. I see a target of 651 mentioned. It would be pointless aiming for a lower figure than the record and then still found that the maximum vans, even cramped could not get near. Even getting them parked timewise on a stand will be difficult.  

Regards,

 

DR DRAKE GP that'not a Doctor nor a GP.

 

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25 Jun 2012 @ 18:06:05 pm
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Hi David,

The nuts and bolts will be dicussed by the committee members as announced by Willie soonest.Watch this space.

Happy Camping Almal

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