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17 Mar 2015 @ 10:20:25 am
Duncan
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Seems very sad that we've lost quite a few English only contributers in the last 6 months or so. Those that I know from other forums had always had a very solid knowledge of caravans and camping and shared their info gladly. Some had vast technical knowledge too, invaluable for the electrics of the modern van but lost interest when their replies were hijacked. 2 I spoke to last week have just given up trying to translate...not even Mr Google understands ja nee.

I can't help noticing that most threads lately get changed into afrikaans despite being started in english ? I would of thought..........ja nee, stilte is ok 'n antwoord.

Let's respect each other folks. If it's started in one language, leave it in that language ?

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17 Mar 2015 @ 10:43:18 am
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Wouldn't it be a great idea if we can see the language preference on a member's profile. I will send this equest through to management.
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17 Mar 2015 @ 11:01:09 am
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im also at fault here that i switch between afrikaans and english but will in future try and stick to one. ek belowe

"Nou gaan ons braai!!!! Kamp met oorgawe!!!!"
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17 Mar 2015 @ 11:07:33 am
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Ek spring ook rond soos nou, but will will keep this in mind when posting in the future.

 

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17 Mar 2015 @ 11:08:20 am
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Ek het dieselfde waargeneem Duncan.

Sorry! laughing

Meant to say, I have noticed the same Duncan. 

Can remember it was discussed a while back and most were in agreement that it is good etiquette to keep to the language of the first posting. 

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17 Mar 2015 @ 11:09:33 am
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Ducan, my reason for not always corresponding in english is purely for trying to avoid bad spelling and grammer. Especially when using a Tablet with no spellcheck etc.

What I've found was that most understands reading Afrikaans, but then reply in English, which to me is the way to go. Is it really bad manners ? Personally I will even revert to speaking Afrikaans in a English conversation if expression becomes a problem, but would ask the other party if it's understood, which is normally the case.

Now if you look at what and how I wrote this comment, it is probably on a grade 6 level, and presents a bad picture.
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17 Mar 2015 @ 11:13:47 am
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I have to admit that I also often have to use google translate, which a lot of the time makes less sense than the post I am trying to translate.... so miss out a lot here because I don't always understand what is being said. :)

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17 Mar 2015 @ 11:20:54 am
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I don't necessarily agree. If a person chooses to respond in a language he or she is comfortable with, those that understand may choose to engage with the person who posted. Those that do not understand may choose to disregard that post.

As long as a person refrains from using vulgar or abusive language, or engages in mudslinging in a language nobody understands, a person has the right to post in his own language. It is however just proper courtesy to respond to  a person's request for advice in the language that person understands.

Just look at how many of our Afrikaans sport stars make complete fools of themselves trying to give interviews in English after an event. A Frenchman will not do the same. He will speak in French and the news team will have to arrange for a translation.

 

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17 Mar 2015 @ 11:29:11 am
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Hallo Herman---looking at the language the kids are using today(MMS,FACEBOOK,WHATSUP)the way I probably do respond is using grade 6 literature-however--I still think that al the time having contact with you guys I have noticed the relaxed and easy manner we can communicate in--as been discussed--I am comfortable conversing in the language that the thread has started in--no problem.
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17 Mar 2015 @ 11:39:57 am
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i dont agree if i want to respond in afrikaans it is a free countrylaughing

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17 Mar 2015 @ 11:42:30 am
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Duncan, good point.   Keep responses in the start-up language where at all possible.   If it is a technical issue and a response is more correctly stated in a mother tongue, then do so but also try to add a translated synopsis.     

If this is an issue that has seemingly alienated past contributors such as Neil & Marge,  then I hope we can resolve it to everyone's satisfaction or acceptance.

I also understand what Herman and Hans are stating.  I am sure if one expresses oneself in Afrikaans, the majority will understand it as long as one does not use phrases such as 'ja-nee'. 

Ek stem saam met Duncan se punt rakende watter taal behoort gebruik te word as die oorspronklike navraag of postering in byvoorbeeld Engels was.  Hou die antwoord dan in Engels indien enigsins mootlik.  Indien jy voel dat jy meer gemaklik is om in Afrikaans te antwoord, doen dit en probeer om 'n kort opsomming van die antwoord in Engels te gee. 

Groete en Regards

 

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17 Mar 2015 @ 11:59:34 am
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It doesn't really matter which language one posts in - if one doesn't understand something and really wants to know what is said, I am sure that if one asked, one of the many members that are fluent in both languages would be happy to translate :)

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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:04:16 pm
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I have no problem with either or, I will answer in Rooi if that is the way the thread is inclined or Rockspider as dit die verkose taal is of ons kan maar dit mix it does not matter, it matters that they get what I want to communicate.
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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:10:18 pm
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Jou keuse is jou keuse,hou dit soos dit is,ons gesels met mekaar en doen nie n saketransaksie nie.
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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:17:37 pm
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Allbeit that Duncan has a very good point, I feel one should feel free to post in the langauge one is more at ease with. I think I am quite bilingual, but a true full blooded English person might laugh his head off.

I have started a few topics in Afrikaans, large numbers of English replies came in; my feeling to those who responded in English is "Thank you for replying, I appreciated every one"

Another forum died, why, you were not allowed to express you views on eg religion, only in one language,   etc etc.

We are running the risk of polarising this forum if we start demanding - Duncan, honestly, no offence meant.

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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:18:42 pm
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Duncan, much as I get what you are saying, I think I would shoot myself in the foot if I endorse it. Quite simply, I would effectively block MYSELF from responding, since as you say, most posts are in Afrikaans. 

My Afrikaans is very poor (not intentionally, I just suck at other languages), so I would never be able to respond to most posts. I don't respond to the technical stuff, since that is waaay over my head and Google translate confuses things even more. However, on the general stuff I can at least contribute. Often my comment will be the only English ones amongst a sea of Afrikaans posts, and I must say that all the Afrikaans folks always try respond to me in English, even if the post was started in Afrikaans. As Shaz mentioned, you can always ask for a translation, which I have done from time to time.

I think there are a lot of English 'reader/lurkers' around, time for them to speak up, but otherwise I am happy to live and let live.

 

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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:19:51 pm
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It doesn't really matter which language one posts in - if one doesn't understand something and really wants to know what is said, I am sure that if one asked, one of the many members that are fluent in both languages would be happy to translate :)

Ek stem saam met Shaz.

Soos ek Duncan se draad verstaan moet ons in 'n ander taal verduidelik sodat ander kan verstaan en weer deel word van die forum, maar hoe gaan hulle dan op my versoek andwoord ?

Dit is mos maklik as dit lyk of daar iets is wat jy op kan help of wil weet om gehelp te word VRA - ASK dan net, dit is mos maklik.  Ek vra dan soms iemand moet verduidelik al is dit in my taal geskryf.

 

Oppad na die volgende kamp.
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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:30:13 pm
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Nou hoe dan nou? I have seen topics started in Afrikaans and some members gave their input in English. Nobody complaint about that. I feel that you answer in the language you prefer. I agree with WJ. As dit nie aanvaarbaar is nie weet ek nie so mooi nie?
I must comment, that I like the mixed languages because it improved my 2nd language a lot since I joined this loveleeee forum. :-) it is also good for the English speaking members to improve your Afrikaans. Dit niks met respek te doen nie. Help my reg as ek dalk verkeerd is.
I have English family and we agreed to speak the language of you choice during any conversation and we are all happy like a chappy!
Let us be one happy family too! Please, asseblief!
Cheers vir altyd
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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:30:32 pm
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One of the nicer things of this forum is the general ease with which most people switch between languages....lets enjoy our diversity and continue using both, even in the same thread? History has surely taught us that when trying to force a language it quickly degenerates into a "them and us" situation...also ask the Welsh about their experiences in the UK! I do however find it a bit strange that in a country where probably all of our forum members who went to school here had passed both Afrikaans and English when they matriculated? By the way the good folk from Belgium pride themselves on the number of languages they can speak, perhaps something we should also aspire to?. It is also well-known in Europe that the English are the laziest of them all when it comes to learning another language:) (sorry Duncan, couldn't help myself with this one!)
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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:39:22 pm
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Andrew Philip is so reg. Andrew het myself al baie gehelp met waardevolle inligting wat vir my baie beteken het. Dit was in Engels en het my glad nie gepla nie. Hoe is daai mooi Engelse spreekwoord? Adapt or Die! Laat ons aangaan met hopelik die twee tale en nie met 11 nie. He he he
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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:40:38 pm
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Waar is die "sterretjie" knoppie ?

Where is the "like" button ?

cool  laughing  wink

Oppad na die volgende kamp.
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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:43:12 pm
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Lekker man! Lekker!

Daar is nie so 'n lekker woord in Engels as LEKKER nie! Met respek gese.
Cheers vir altyd
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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:49:17 pm
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Hi Duncan,

I promise to try and utilise this tale of the Queen but dammit (hope that word is exceptable) -- I see no reason why two Dutchman should confuse each other by trying to communicate in English.

I honestly hope that the dissappearing of these respected members were not because of the language of conversation on the forum.

I am not aware of any Boerkie who will not try pull out his best Ingils, to repeat anything in English if requested by one of you Souties.

I was not even aware of the "challenge" but will definitely in future try and answer in the language of the originator of the thread.

My apologies if I offended anyone by using my home language. 

 

 

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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:52:55 pm
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Afrikaans is my moeder taal hel my vader sn ook ek druk my beter uit daarin maar met dit gese 

 

i shal for try and doen what is asked

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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:54:10 pm
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Actually Jorg, I can comment on that. I passed Afrikaans at school, with about 65% at one of the top schools in the country.....does'nt mean I could speak it. Just means I had memorised Trappe van vergelyking (?) and read all the crib-notes on Fiela se Kind! Schools need to focus more on conversing then book reviews etc!

The only time I really was able to use Afrikaans was when I spent 2 years working on building sites here in CT, and that was because I was completely immersed in it on a daily basis. It should also be noted that the respectable Afrikaans members of this forum would probably not consider Cape Town building taal to be Afrikaanslaughing

Emigrated overseas for 3 years and had no occasion to speak it and by the time I came home I could barely string a sentence together.

It's an established fact that it easier to learn languages, musical instruments etc as a child. So that is why I will be encouraging my kids to learn as many as possible. As an adult, I have tried to learn Xhosa and German...no chance! It also helps that we have a lot of Afrikaans friends. When I was growing up, the country was only only segregated on colour lines, whole neighbourhoods were Language specific. I gre up in Mayfield Park in the South of Jozi, and Blairgowrie in the North. I honestly cannot remember a single Afrikaans person living near us. Hopefully my kids will benefit from living in a completely inclusive neighborhood!

Anyway, let me shut up now, since I have taken the OP off at a tangent! Sorry...jammer.

 

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17 Mar 2015 @ 12:57:15 pm
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Lekker nice topic Duncan. The most responses in three hours and we all talk nicely like BIG people, I mean Adults.. ;-)
Cheers vir altyd
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17 Mar 2015 @ 13:15:54 pm
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Huh? Are you maybe implying that the English speaking forum members are staying away because of Afrikaans?  This is a English and Afrikaans forum.

Maybe if a member start a thread he must indicate that he would prefer responses only to be in English or he can invest in a English/Afrikaans dictionary?   

Nou het ek my hele dag se Engels opgebruik.

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17 Mar 2015 @ 13:44:12 pm
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My first exposure to Afrikaans was when we moved up to Joburg from Durban. My years in the army really helped my Afrikaans, my nickname been'Soutie'. Ek sal my bes probeer om a Afrikaans vraag te antwoord in Afrikaans want ek weet julle sal miskien goed lag maar sal altyd reg help. My friends who I camp with most of the time are all Afrikaans and I have been accepted as one of them. Thank you/ Dankie for this great forum.
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17 Mar 2015 @ 13:45:05 pm
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"It's an established fact that it easier to learn languages, musical instruments etc as a child."

Now yours truly understands why he has such a battle to learn to play the keyboard at this stage of my life. I should be thankful for an Irish granny, English mom and cuzzie's I think.
My swaarste pad trap ek self vir my plat, en swaarste is die wat my voete nooit vat.
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17 Mar 2015 @ 14:00:57 pm
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I have started some of my topics in English and some in Afrikaans.  I am truly at ease with whichever I have to use and definitely do not prefer the one over the other for any reason whatsoever.    When I reply to a topic I always do it in the language it was started in.  But sometimes I reply to a comment by someone who wrote in the other language, then I use that person's language again.  For instance, if Duncan starts in English and I reply in English, and Herman comments in Afrikaans to what I said, and I want to answer Herman  again, I will then switch to Afrikaans.  Eventually all comments on a topic seem to become a mixture of both.  

Duncan has a point, it is good manners to reply in the same language, and, if possible, we should try to do that.  But it is also not an offence in you don't.   I am sure no one means to come across as being disrespectful towards a language or even refusing to speak or write in it.  I think this forum has become so easy-going that everybody more of less accepts that it is free for all.  Actually, for me, one of the praiseworthy aspects of this forum, is the fact that the members can converse so easily with each other in both languages.  Like there is no barrier between them and they fully accept each other's language.

Herman is also correct.   Some people may not be so fluent or find it difficult to write in the second language.  You cannot judge a person for that, the fact that he replied to your topic, means he had a desire to do so, and I am sure the person who started the topic appreciates that.  And I think there are very few people here who do not understand both languages.

Freda

 

 

 

 

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17 Mar 2015 @ 14:05:39 pm
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Seems very sad that we've lost quite a few English only contributers in the last 6 months or so. Those that I know from other forums had always had a very solid knowledge of caravans and camping and shared their info gladly. Some had vast technical knowledge too, invaluable for the electrics of the modern van but lost interest when their replies were hijacked. 2 I spoke to last week have just given up trying to translate...not even Mr Google understands ja nee.

I can't help noticing that most threads lately get changed into afrikaans despite being started in english ? I would of thought..........ja nee, stilte is ok 'n antwoord.

Let's respect each other folks. If it's started in one language, leave it in that language ?

Duncan, I agree with you and with all respect. If you place a thread in English, I will respond in English to you, but if somebody else respond in Afrikaans on a thread you started and I have something to say or respond to that person's respond, I will specifically respond to that person in Afrikaans, meaning not to hi-jack your thread, but just to respect that person's language also.

 

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17 Mar 2015 @ 14:32:01 pm
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Afrikaans is my moeder taal. Dus sal ek verkies om dit te gebruik. In baie gevalle antwoord  ek in Engels vir sovêr as wat my Engelse woordeskat my toelaat. En dit is uit en uit omdat daai bespreekpunt in Engels was.

Ek dink dit kon 'n goeie idee wees maar dan is daar weer Afrikaanse mense met baie inligting rakende die punt wat nou nie wil deelneem aan die bespreking nie want hulle kan hulle self nie korrek uitdruk in Engels nie.

Dus val my stem op, jy gesels op die forum in die taal waarmee jy self gemaklik is. Want dit wat jy noem is netso van toepassing op die Afrikaanse kant.

Gesels met wat jy wil. Los net die frans en duits uit, anders gaan die forum sommer heel dood loop.

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17 Mar 2015 @ 14:45:58 pm
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Afrikaans is nie my moedertaal maar was in afrikaanse skole met ń franse vrou getroud en praat net afrikaans. Waneer gaan hierdie kinderlike ding op hou dat die Engelse ophou om die afrikaanse taal te proebeer vertrap vra maar net

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17 Mar 2015 @ 14:52:24 pm
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Ek stem met jou Stef, maar ongelukkig het dinge in hierdie nuwe era so verander. Byvoorbeeld, vir die maatskappy by wie ek werk, praat 99,9% Engels alhoewel hulle verstaan as jy hulle 'n skewe woord in Afrikaans geelaughing.

Nog 'n voorbeeld, as jy die telefoon in Afrikaans antwoord, kyk kollegas jou aan asof jy vanaf 'n ander planeet issealed

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17 Mar 2015 @ 15:15:23 pm
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Reading Duncan's latest reminds me...(in Ingels just for you Duncan...hehe hehe!). Lived ourselves in the UK for 3 years, my son got the shock of his life when a week after arriving there he had to start his first school year at an English school (only English he heard up to that point was from K-Tv, anybody still remembers this?), after 3 weeks the first English, krom en skeef, came out, after 3 months he was fluent, including a proper Brit accent! When we returned to SA we put both our kids in English schools (so as to not putting them through another language trauma). Strange today both speak mostly English, but while growing up they pretended to not understand this strange Boertjie language, except when the old man was upset about something they did (or most probably did not do!)and starting addressing them in Afrikaans they understood every word :-)
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17 Mar 2015 @ 15:16:29 pm
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Dk ek is bly dat niemand my kan dikteer watse taal ek moet gebruik nie maar sal altyd die ander persoon respekteer en die taal praat waar hy gemaklik in is probeer om enels te skryf waarin ek my self belaglik in maak maar as hy dan daar oor lag is dit sy saak tenminste verstaan ek sy engels en hoef dit nie te translate

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17 Mar 2015 @ 15:29:43 pm
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This whole debate, if you can call it that, is very interesting, not once did anybody attack the other for taking stand.

Dis hoe ons campers do it, nice and respekvollaughing

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17 Mar 2015 @ 15:44:46 pm
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Hi all, Iam still here, I have'nt left, the language is not that serious, although My huistaal is English, I can do both, but thank you people for being considerate to each one's taal, we can all laugh, but we are still friends. Kom laat ons braai!!! HE,HE.
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17 Mar 2015 @ 15:48:02 pm
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Hierdie is n saak wat al baie bespreek is, veral rondom braai geleenthede. By al die gesprekke was engels en afrikaans sprekendes en vandaar die besprekings. Die slotsom by al die geleenthede is - praat die taal waarin jy jou die beste uitdruk, dit voorkom misverstande en konflik. Indien iemand nie verstaan nie kan dit in sy taal verduidelik word deur spreker of ander persoon wat gemaklik voel om dit te doen. Hy wat n vraag vra is vir die oomblik dom, hy wat nooit vra nie bly dom. We should realize the more you read and speak english/afrikaans, the better we equip ourselves. We often change roles and the afrikaans speaking people speak english and visa versa. We must be able to help ourselves in certain situations. I agree we must be proud of our mother tongue, but boy I would have loved it to understand and speak our eleven languages.
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17 Mar 2015 @ 16:06:29 pm
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Ek is afrikaans en die wyfie ingels. Julle dink julle het n probleem hier op die forum. Kom kamp so n naweek saam dan gesels ons weer. Wat is BOERETROOS in engels en o ja wat is die engels vir n tyre.

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17 Mar 2015 @ 16:51:32 pm
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Nou ja toe.......

Ek daag almal uit om die woord " MOS" na Engels toe te vertaal.

" Ek het jou MOS gese dit is so!"

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17 Mar 2015 @ 17:09:51 pm
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Philip, the English for "tyre" is "tire".smile

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17 Mar 2015 @ 17:14:06 pm
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Grumpy, ek het nou op 'n ander post die woord "binneboud-le" gebruik, terwyl ek Engels geskryf het.  Wat sou die Engelse beskrywing daarvoor wees?  Inner-thigh-tangle?

My Engelse vriendin se altyd:  I mos told you!

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17 Mar 2015 @ 17:17:57 pm
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Just pleased im bilingual. 

Africa is not for sissies. Die bosveld is nie speletjies nie.
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17 Mar 2015 @ 17:32:14 pm
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This question was asked by a English Proffesor in 1993. And he was making a speech in Afrikaans. He was a cloured guy whom mostly spoke english. The title" Afrikaans.....a most interresting language" He was at UCT those years and he sais with all his research he could not find a appropriate translation that gave meaning to that word!

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17 Mar 2015 @ 17:34:45 pm
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Indeed, I told you so!

 

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17 Mar 2015 @ 18:06:07 pm
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Actually, the English for tyre is tyre. Tire is to become tired. . I have actually noticed a lot of Afrikaans words becoming Anglicised...Eg. My understanding is that the Afrikaans term for a caravan is a Woonwa, but most people seem to say karavaan? Or do I have it wrong?

I will say though, if I am using a hammer and hit my thumb...the 1st words out of my mouth tend to be in Afrikaanssealedlaughing

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17 Mar 2015 @ 19:02:14 pm
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Man this is an interesting topic, debate or what ever. Tyre is buiteband in afrikaans en tube is binneband. Ek dink karavaan is 'n leenwoord van engels en woonwa is seker meer suiwer afrikaans. Ek volg hierdie draad met baie belangstelling. Ek moet ook sommer dankie se dat die lede bietjie hulleself reggeruk het met die spelling en leestekens wat by sommige agterwee gebly het. Ek wil ook se dat die gees onder ons fantasties is. Onthou die baas het gepraat ne. No mudslinging nie. Sjoe maar nou mix ek darem my languages. ;-) hierie mannetjie het 'n baard!
Cheers vir altyd
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17 Mar 2015 @ 19:30:38 pm
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As said Philip, the tyre is now part of us, but the spelling should probably be "taaier"which would explain in afrikaans something tougher than tough.
And could be used in a sentence, " die Yokohama taaiers is taaier as die taaiste taaiers in die
taaiermark en die taaiste nog as offroad taaier" with brandy and coke in fist.

Good discussion though, seems most are reaonably affluent in the other language, though through preference resort to the mother tongue for expressionest reasons. Excuse the spelling.

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17 Mar 2015 @ 20:07:18 pm
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I have seen even some English members spelling tyre "tire" and Afrikaanse mense wat karavaan karafaan spel, at least we understand wat hulle sê.

Woonwa, klink so permanentlaughing

Karavaan klink weer kom ons gaan kamp.

 

Eitherway, a very nice topic.

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17 Mar 2015 @ 20:12:04 pm
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Duncan I admire you for what you have said. I very seldom look at the Forum simply because the vast majority of comment is in what used to be our "second language". When I say "second language" one must bear in mind that prior to 1994, the country was governed by predominantly Afrikaans speaking people, yet the official language was English. I can communicate in Afrikaans but obviously not nearly to the extent of English with which I was brought up. I have nothing against the Afrikaans language or the Afrikaners and in fact, have some very good friends who are Afrikaners. I love their sense of humour and the way they express themselves.I do my best to communicate with them in half English/Afrikaans. When it comes to this Forum and the majority of conversation is in Afrikaans and sometimes of a technical nature, I give up.
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