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Drop plate technicalities?

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01 Jan 2012 @ 18:14:36 pm
Brad
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I have heard recently that some insurance companies are becoming difficult when it comes to claims while towing if you have a drop-plate fitted to the vehicle.

If you have any information on the legal and technical requirements for fitting a drop plate, it would benefit many of us greatly.

Thanks in advance.

Brad

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01 Jan 2012 @ 18:31:04 pm
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Hi Brad.

Which insurance companies have hang-ups and what do they specify in the policy schedule?

Regards

 

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03 Jan 2012 @ 10:43:50 am
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Hi Brad,

 

In the DEC \JAn issue of one of the major outdoor publications this was said....

 

"Towbar maximum drawing capacity: Towbar manufacturers specify what maximum mass of trailer or caravan
may be towed with a particular towbar.

Noseweight: The mass of a caravan or trailer measured at the tow hitch. By law in South Africa it has
to be between 25 kg and 100 kg.

Manufacturer’s maximum towing capacity: Vehicle manufacturers specify the maximum towing capacity, in
kilograms, that their vehicles can handle. (i.e. GCM – GVM = towing capacity).

Important pointers


Insurance claims resulting from accidents while towing may face serious challenges if any of the following apply:


  1. The towbar or  drop-plate fitted to your towcar by an aftermarket accessory supplier is
         not SABS-approved.

  2. You use an approved drop-plate and approved  towbar from an aftermarket accessory
         supplier, but they have not been approved together as a unit.

  3. You exceed the maximum drawing capacity of the towbar.

  4. You exceed the maximum towing capacity of the towcar as advertised by the manufacturer.

  5. The GVM of your overrun-braked caravan or trailer is more than the tare of your towcar.

  6. The GVM of your unbraked caravan or trailer is more than half the tare of your towcar.

 

If you stick to these paramators you should be ok.

 

Regards Michael


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03 Jan 2012 @ 16:18:10 pm
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Hi Michael

Thank you for the information. It does make a lot of sense.

Rgards 

Louis

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03 Jan 2012 @ 21:43:09 pm
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Hi Michael.

I do not use a drop plate.

Out of interest. Do drop plates have the specifications stamped on?

Regards

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05 Jan 2012 @ 06:50:53 am
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Hi Hendrik.

sorry for the late reply.

The one I have , has the manufactures stamp on, that it, I am sure they will tell you waht the specs are.

I will investigate and post a reply.

 

Regards

 

Michael

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05 Jan 2012 @ 08:09:56 am
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Hi Brad, I have just read an interesting artical in the Dec/Jan Caravan & Outdoor Life magazine. On On page 46 to 51 there is everything you need to know about towing legal. It also covers insurance claims resulting from accidents.

Regards Marg.

 

 

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31 Jan 2012 @ 09:34:53 am
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Most people have told me . use the thickest drop plate you can get , the average is 16mm, then you are safe.

The ones I saw only had manufacture stapms on.

Regards

Michael

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31 Jan 2012 @ 20:59:05 pm
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Thanks for the replies - seems like it may not be all doom and gloom. Anyway, will get the towbar fitment centre to sort out the drop plate at the same time as they fit the towbar.

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01 Feb 2012 @ 08:29:35 am
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Drop plates must be supported as it put extra forces on the bolts as I saw on my Hilux and i then made up a bracket to assist the bottom to eliminate the force on the bolts. I do not know if this is a good practice but the towing feels more stable with less forward force.

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02 Feb 2012 @ 13:17:37 pm
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There is an old saying that goes "rather safe than sorry" the thicker the better.  If you use a thick plate you dont need support.

 

Regards Michael

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03 Feb 2012 @ 08:04:53 am
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Remember that the thicker plate is fine but depending on how far it drops will affect your bolts shearfactor, and this is where the problem lies. You will break the bolts with no support at the bottom of the plate when you have a couple of harsh brakes.

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13 Apr 2016 @ 13:26:31 pm
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I looked for a drop plate for a long time before I found one of  decent thickness (Above 15mm). I was surprised at how many were available below this thickness.

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03 Jun 2016 @ 18:47:42 pm
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Dit gaan natuurlik oor hefbome. Hoe groter en swaarder jy sleep hoe minder moet jy van sulke plate gebruik maak. Ook natuurlik oor die terrein wat jy gaan ry veroorsaak daarmee saam dat mens vir sulke verlengplate versigtig moet wees.
Logika met hefbome!
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18 Jun 2018 @ 09:49:41 am
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Good morning,

Just to brush off this thread, I bought a Gypsey Rapier which I tow with the new Hilux 2.8 D/C.

When I hitch the Rapier to the Hilux there is very little tail drop and all the heavy stuff is in front of the caravan.

This results in the Rapier running a bit on an incline.

My question, will this affect the towability or stableness on the open road which I intend not to pass the 110 speed?

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18 Jun 2018 @ 11:40:26 am
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Good morning,

Just to brush off this thread, I bought a Gypsey Rapier which I tow with the new Hilux 2.8 D/C.

When I hitch the Rapier to the Hilux there is very little tail drop and all the heavy stuff is in front of the caravan.

This results in the Rapier running a bit on an incline.

My question, will this affect the towability or stableness on the open road which I intend not to pass the 110 speed?

Ek het dieselfde gehad met my sleep kombinasie. Ek het laasweek vir my n 4gat drop plate opgesit. Ek weet nie of dit "all in the mind" was nie, maar het gevoel of dit heelwat lekkerder gesleep het...meer stabiel gevoel

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18 Jun 2018 @ 13:15:30 pm
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Geert, ek het presies dieselfde kombinasie as jy (Ranger en Swing). Met ons rit na die wiltuin het ek die 4 gat drop plate opgesit maar toe gevind dat die ketting baie laag naby die grond is. Het toe in die wiltuin die dropplate afgehaal en terug Durban toe gesleep en kon geen verskil agterkom nie maar net meer gerus gevoel oordat die hak nie te laag naby die grond is nie.

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18 Jun 2018 @ 13:57:30 pm
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Geert, ek het presies dieselfde kombinasie as jy (Ranger en Swing). Met ons rit na die wiltuin het ek die 4 gat drop plate opgesit maar toe gevind dat die ketting baie laag naby die grond is. Het toe in die wiltuin die dropplate afgehaal en terug Durban toe gesleep en kon geen verskil agterkom nie maar net meer gerus gevoel oordat die hak nie te laag naby die grond is nie.

 

Jan, ek voel presies dieselfde, ek dink ons trokkies is swaar genoeg om rond gegooi te word nie.

 

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18 Jun 2018 @ 15:43:24 pm
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Frik, ekself ry 'n Ranger en sleep 'n Swing.  Die effense neus-op van die wa sal myns insiens nie 'n krisis veroorsaak nie solank ek net nie probeer opstyg met die bakkie nie.  Dis net die manne met die LR'e en Jeeps wat so vinnig ry

Met verwysing na die "drop plate" (sakplaat) vraag.  Die SABS het geen sleepstang met 'n sakplaat gesertifiseer nie.  Dit het mnr Johan Gouws van die SABS op skrif bevestig.   Sou dit gedoen word, moet dit gedoen word vir ieder en elke moontlike sleepstang met sakplaat kombinasie asook elke moontlike sleepvoertuig en sleepstang kombinasie. 

Vir die oomblik geld die reël dat die sertifisering van 'n sleepstang ongeldig is sodra 'n sakplaat aangebring word want dit is nie getoets nie.  

 

 

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18 Jun 2018 @ 16:05:19 pm
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Frikadel, Onthou dat die karavaan veronderstel is om so te sleep dat sy dak effens skuins na onder loop aan die voorkant, met ander woorde, neus-af.  Sommige karavane se platvoudak is reeds so gemaak dat dit effens laer voor as agter is.  Dit is sodat daar 'n klein positiewe druk op die karavaan is wanneer jy sleep, wat stabiliteit verbeter.  Dit behoort ook 'n klein verbetering in brandstof verbruik teweeg te bring.  Die karavaan moet nooit neus-in-die lug- te loop nie.  As dit te laag voor is, moet eerder 'n ander oplossing gesoek word as om bloot die voorkant te lig.  Dit lyk in elkgeval eienaardig en slordig as 'n karavaan so neus in die lig loop.

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18 Jun 2018 @ 16:18:02 pm
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Julle manne het my nou ge-"worried" oor die gebruik van 'n "drop plate" - die geldigheid van die gebruik daarvan, al dan nie ( vir versekeringsdoeleindes). Ek gebruik 'n "drop plate" sedert ek met dubbelkajuite sleep (vanaf 1985), andersins loop my wa "nose high" - wat Fred tereg hierbo noem wat onaanvaarbaar is. Sou jy skielik moet rem met jou "nose high" wa, bestaan daar 'n uiters goeie kans dat jou sleepvoertuig wat reeds sy neus laat sak tydens die rempoging, se agterkant gelig kan word deur die "nose high" wa - wat uiteraard jou sleepvoertuig se remstabiliteit sal beïnvloed.

Hoe nou gemaak as nie een "drop plate" deur versekeraars goedgekeur is nie? Iewers moet tog seker 'n aanvaarbare opsie wees.

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18 Jun 2018 @ 16:27:48 pm
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Ek wonder waar kom die verskil in by mense met dieselfde sleep kombinasies. Soos die Ranger / Swing kombinasies.....die meeste mense stel voor n 4-gat om wa gelyk te kry, dan kry mens gevalle waar mense dieselfde kombinasies het maar sê dat hulle waens gelyk loop sonder drop plate....dan is daar gevalle wat noem dat hul n 6-gat moet gebruik. Gaan dit oor neus gewig van karavaan wat so verskil dat hierdie verskille inkom? {Swaarder neus druk kombinasie meer gelyk as ligte neus} Of hoe swaar bakkie gelaai is?

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18 Jun 2018 @ 16:34:20 pm
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Chris, Ek weet nie of my metode wettig is of nie, maar vir wat dit werd is... 

Toe ek die Kuga, met 'n "goose neck" haak gekry het, het my Sprite Supersport effens neus in die lug gesleep.   Met die goose neck is dit natuurlik nie moontlik om die hoogte met 'n plaat te verstel nie.  Ek het toe 'n 30mm "spacer"gemaak van 30X 50 (ek dink) hol yster wat tussen die disselboom en die hakmeganisme pas en dit met langer boute vasgeheg.  Die 30mm was voldoende om die neushoogte reg te kry.   Daar was geen meganiese gevaar aan die oplossing nie en ek meen indien nodig, kan jy dit veilig nog meer aanpas.  Soos ek gesê het, ek weet nie of dit onwettig is of nie, so as jy die raat wil volg, maak miskien eers seker of jou assuransie nie beswaar sal maak nie.

Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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18 Jun 2018 @ 17:15:04 pm
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Just to clarify my input about drop plates above.   I do not think that it is "illegal" to fit a drop plate and I have not found any reference to any regulation in the Traffic Regulations or the Compulsory Specifications Regs. 

The Ranger as an example would be fine if it had 16" wheels like the previous model Isuzu.  The very slight nose-up would then be eliminated.

What is a definite, is that the towbar fitted to most vehicles are certified to be able to carry a specific load.   At this stage we also know that the claims by vehicle manufacturers or assemblers in SA about the towing capability of their approved towbars and the vehicle towing capability are mostly questionable as it ignores SA Traffic Regulations.   We know you cannot legally tow 3500kg even with a LC 200 VX if only because there is no service brake system in a LC.  PS: my son-in-law owns one.

We also KNOW that NO towbar fitted with a drop plate has been certified to carry a given weight as this has NOT been tested and thus certified in this country.   It is not a legal issue.  It is a specification issue that can be used by insurers to reject a claim.

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18 Jun 2018 @ 17:34:21 pm
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Julle manne het my nou ge-"worried" oor die gebruik van 'n "drop plate" - die geldigheid van die gebruik daarvan, al dan nie ( vir versekeringsdoeleindes). Ek gebruik 'n "drop plate" sedert ek met dubbelkajuite sleep (vanaf 1985), andersins loop my wa "nose high" - wat Fred tereg hierbo noem wat onaanvaarbaar is. Sou jy skielik moet rem met jou "nose high" wa, bestaan daar 'n uiters goeie kans dat jou sleepvoertuig wat reeds sy neus laat sak tydens die rempoging, se agterkant gelig kan word deur die "nose high" wa - wat uiteraard jou sleepvoertuig se remstabiliteit sal beïnvloed.

Hoe nou gemaak as nie een "drop plate" deur versekeraars goedgekeur is nie? Iewers moet tog seker 'n aanvaarbare opsie wees.

Ek het maar vir my versekering n epos gestuur en gevra of mens gepenaliseer sal word op n eis as mens n drop plate op het....net om seker te maak. Sal antwoord hier plaas sodra ek terugvoering kry 

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18 Jun 2018 @ 17:52:20 pm
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Ek wonder waar kom die verskil in by mense met dieselfde sleep kombinasies. Soos die Ranger / Swing kombinasies.....die meeste mense stel voor n 4-gat om wa gelyk te kry, dan kry mens gevalle waar mense dieselfde kombinasies het maar sê dat hulle waens gelyk loop sonder drop plate....dan is daar gevalle wat noem dat hul n 6-gat moet gebruik. Gaan dit oor neus gewig van karavaan wat so verskil dat hierdie verskille inkom? {Swaarder neus druk kombinasie meer gelyk as ligte neus} Of hoe swaar bakkie gelaai is?

In my geval het ek die neusgewig gemeet, omdat ek my lugverkoeler se kondensator tussen wa en jockey bo-op die A-raam gemonteer het. Die gewig op die jockey was 80 kg. Nadat ek die verkoeler geinstaleer het en tent uitgehaal het (gebruik awning) onder die bed is die neusgewig nou 90kg. 

Ranger was gelaai met stoele en niks swaar nie. 

Het my twee Rangers (supercab manual en dubbelkajuit auto) se hakhoogte gemeet. Hulle verskil 30mm. Dubbelkajuit is laer.

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19 Jun 2018 @ 07:56:03 am
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Jojo, die storie raak tegnies, maar dit is n baie interesante onderwerp.

Al waar oor ek worry is stabiliteit. Moet ook byse hy hardloop darem nie kwaai opdraend nie, net effens.

Dankie vir die positiewe insette!

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25 Jun 2018 @ 22:24:10 pm
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Ek stem saam met Hennie oor versterkings op dropplaat. Het toe maar self die outjie gebou. 50x5mm hoekyster. Werk heel goed.

 

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Ek het maar vir my versekering n epos gestuur en gevra of mens gepenaliseer sal word op n eis as mens n drop plate op het....net om seker te maak. Sal antwoord hier plaas sodra ek terugvoering kry 

My verskering het antwoord gegee op my navraag.....hulle sê daar sal GEEN negatiewe invloed wees op n eis sou sou jy gebruik maak van n drop plate op sleep voertuig. Dit is nou by Discovery....weet nie van ander versekerings maatskappye nie 

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27 Jun 2018 @ 06:58:22 am
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In my geval nou weer, moes ek 'n 6-gat sakplaat opsit sodat die '82 Sport gelyk loop. Met 'n 4-gat plaat loop hy opdraand. Die wa het nie veel gewig voor in nie en loop op 13 duim bande. Die hilux staan hoog agter, al laai jy hom ook met alles wat swaar is.

Probleem egter is dat die onderkant van die A-raam wel raak soos wanneer jy deur daai driffie gaan by Natalia teen die bult uit - moet dus maar versigtig wees oor spoedhobbels en diesmeer.

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27 Jun 2018 @ 07:25:04 am
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My verskering het antwoord gegee op my navraag.....hulle sê daar sal GEEN negatiewe invloed wees op n eis sou sou jy gebruik maak van n drop plate op sleep voertuig. Dit is nou by Discovery....weet nie van ander versekerings maatskappye nie 

Ek sou sê dat dit die beste dink is om te doen sou jy bekommerd wees daaroor. Kry skriftelike bevestiging van jou versekering af dat dit nie 'n probleem sou wees om 'n "dropplate" te gebruik nie.

As hulle dit afkeur kan jy elkgeval net oorgaan na ander versekering wat dit toe laat. So ek twyfel of hulle dit sommer sal afkeur.

 

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28 Jun 2018 @ 06:36:34 am
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Ek sou sê dat dit die beste dink is om te doen sou jy bekommerd wees daaroor. Kry skriftelike bevestiging van jou versekering af dat dit nie 'n probleem sou wees om 'n "dropplate" te gebruik nie.

As hulle dit afkeur kan jy elkgeval net oorgaan na ander versekering wat dit toe laat. So ek twyfel of hulle dit sommer sal afkeur.

 

Ek het juis n afskrif van daai epos ge-save...mens weet nooit of mens dit gaan nodig kry nie......

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28 Jun 2018 @ 06:48:16 am
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Dit is waar Geert. Mens weet nooit met watse nukke 'n versekerings maatskappy vorendag gaan kom nie.

My dogter was in ongeluk betrokke. Dien eis by versekering in.  Hulle wou nie 'n duim verder verroer met die eis alvorens sy 'n brief van vorige versekeraar gekry het nie dat sy wel daar verseker was nie. (Brief sê niks van vorige eise nie)

Wat het enige vorige versekering te doen met huidige versekering by wie sy vir 'n jaar lank al premies betaal.

Wat sou hulle gedoen het as sy glad nie vorige versekering gehad het nie?

So mens moet maar baie versigtig wees.

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08 Oct 2018 @ 07:24:25 am
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Whatever drop plate you use, make sure that the bolts are at least 8.8 grade!

Don't just accept what the installers used. The 8.8 is written on the head of the bolt. The nuts should also be of a higher grade. (H 7 I think.)

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08 Oct 2018 @ 12:12:14 pm
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When I bought the Fortuner it already had a Toyoya drop plate fitted. As it was to low for my 4x4 bush trailer I removed it. Now that I have a caravan again I find that the 'van is "running uphill." So I am going to refit the drop plate again trusting that the sturdy piece of steel is to the correct specification. 

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08 Oct 2018 @ 13:05:33 pm
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Ek glo dit behoort chapperig te wees Danie.  Wel Toyota kon op daai stadium enige dropplate gekoop het en die plakker daarop aangebring het nadat hulle bevestig het dis volgens Toyota se standaard reg.

Die dropplate wat ek altyd gebruik het is 15mm dik en het ses gate.  Hoe meer gate (langer dropplate) hoe groter is die risiko want die hefboom kragte raak groter.

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08 Oct 2018 @ 14:20:30 pm
Dansan
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Fanx Leon, ek dink ook die plaat gaan OK wees. Dit het ook ses gate maar vier van hulle is reeds ingeneem voordat die Haak aangeskroef word. 

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08 Oct 2018 @ 21:24:09 pm
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Daai plaat gaan baie sterker wees as meeste ander omdat jy juis die 4 gate kan vasmaak.. Jy is dus nie net vas met 2 boute nie maar met 4 en die kort afstand is nie so erg soos baie ander wat verder weg is vanaf oorspronklike posisie nie.. Mooi drop plate, sal ook so een wou he as dit my kar was..


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09 Oct 2018 @ 08:54:47 am
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Ek glo dat daar weer n klompie dinge is wat ons na al die jare sal moet leer. Die 4x4 wa het ons bietjie stomp gemaak vir die elemente en jy kon eenvoudig net inry by plekke, met die Fleetline gaan dit 'n ander storie wees. Dit voel soos n lorrie wat my volg. 

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