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20 Oct 2013 @ 13:59:35 pm
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Just saw a reply in another thread related to insane drivers which made me think of the question how many caravaners move over the yellow line when a car approaches from behind.

The roadway on the shoulder is normally more bumpy than the driving lane due to so many of the trucks driving there that I usually avoid it. Only if I see I'm holding up a queue of three or so cars will I attempt to move over and I can see far ahead that there are no obstructions. With my van being 2.5m wide I need to carefull not to slip off the edge of the road onto the gravel.

I see lots of drivers get very agressive if you don't - as if it's their right of way and you MUST move over. We even had a guy once after passing us slam on his brakes after passing.

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20 Oct 2013 @ 15:00:10 pm
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As far as I know it is illegal to drive on the left of the yellow line, this space is to be used in case of an emergency eg breakdown. I also understand that in the event of an accident while in that area your insurance could be invalid.
Yes I do pull over if it is safe to do so and I am holding the traffic up. Get irritated by drivers who do not acknowledge your action.
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20 Oct 2013 @ 16:34:35 pm
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Only if the road conditions allow it and I can see far ahead. Never in mist,rain and at night. 

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20 Oct 2013 @ 17:40:17 pm
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I also pull over when save, but the Fortuner 4l v6 i keep up with the flow of trafic

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20 Oct 2013 @ 18:42:33 pm
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Hou ook nie baie van links van die geel lyn ry nie. In die meeste gevalle is die pad oppervlak maar sleg.

Sal dit slegs doen indien 100% veilig en goeie sig vorentoe.

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20 Oct 2013 @ 18:43:08 pm
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Willem Willem you doing it again the fortuner 4l v6, I know its a beast
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20 Oct 2013 @ 20:53:18 pm
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Brian, agree with all the above comments, but when moving into the yellow line do as I do - align your car steering wheel directly on the yellow line and keep it there while in that lane. Your caravan wheel has plenty of space from the road edge and there is ample space for the vehicles that wish to overtake you. I have used this method on all my vans and trailers and still use it at present - works well, even in the rain.
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21 Oct 2013 @ 07:22:48 am
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Agree - travelling in the yellow lane is dangerous.

For those that do, even if the road ahead appears to be clear, just hope you don't blow a tyre on something you could not see - I have had a blow out there! Fortunately, still managed to control the rig!

The edge of the road is usually where the debris/garbage ends up from vehicles.

TRAVEL IN THE YELLOW LINES AT YOUR OWN PERIL!

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21 Oct 2013 @ 07:26:19 am
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I think that most of us are thinking the same way. Will only drive in the yellow line if it is safe to do so.

And I think its is the way we campers think and also the type of people campers usually is. I will move into the yellow line as I am usually driving slower than the average 120km/h but just if it is safe to do so. Yes the ranger can also keep up with the 120km/h but I don't like to tow at that speeds.

Normally I just ignore that attitude of the other drivers. Clearly they don't know the rules of the road. If we drive in the yellow lane it is not because we must, it is purely because we choose to do so.
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21 Oct 2013 @ 07:30:11 am
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Does anybody out there get annoyed with other slow moving vehicles that do not move over for you to pass (when you are not towing) even though you can see that it would be perfectly safe for them to do so?

*Share The Road*
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21 Oct 2013 @ 09:14:47 am
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If you go to "News", (Top of page) and see "Practical Advice" under News Broadcast System on the left of the page, click on "Driving and Towing" then click "More practical advice" once or twice.

You will find an article - In the Yellow lane - written by Jan Heyneke (The Predident of CCSA) a few years ago with regards the law and driving in the yellow lane.

There are also a few more aspects with regards towing here.

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21 Oct 2013 @ 10:48:05 am
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My take on it is simple. Regardless of what others think, I find that I am less stressed if I just move over and let people past. Does'nt matter if it is one car or more.

Obviously only when I have a clear view for a good few hundred meters and it is safe to do so. I tend to do what Cowan does and align the yellow line with my steering wheel. This avoids the worst of the debris on the edge.

I think a lot of the frustration drivers get is that they A/. Cannot see past the van to overtake and B/. Don't know how to.

I have noticed it with the missus when she wants to overtake a truck or van etc. They get too close behind so no vision, and when starting the overtake maneuver the speed is fairly slow. If people left a decent gap you can see properly and accelerate roperly to get past quickly and safely.

I find when people in slower/big vehicles refuse to move even slightly over, it ends up creating a situation where some fool loses patience and tries to overtake in a bad situation. Myself, I would rather not have flashing lights and gestures in my rearview. Tends to make me a bit tetchy, so I jsut move over as often as I can.

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21 Oct 2013 @ 12:11:57 pm
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Well stated Andrew - that's the correct attitude.

Only one thing - I WILL NOT overtake another vehicle in front of me with my caravan on tow on a downhill. As far as I'm concerned, this is the number one "looking for trouble" situation. The vehicle you are overtaking with your caravan on tow is inevitably starting to accellerate downhill, and this is a NO NO situation for overtaking.

For the past ten years I towed an average of 25 000km per year! I think by now I have got my towing "merrit" badge!

I fully agree with Andrew - I only move over into the yellow lane if visability is at lease 300 - 500 meters clear view ahead! No curves, uphill or down grade blind spots or debris visible - then also with my steering wheel aligned with the yellow lane!

Safe towing everyone.

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21 Oct 2013 @ 14:05:50 pm
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Well said Andrew. My van is very wide and its probably more dangerous for people to get upset and try to overtake where its not safe than it is for me to create the space for them to pass safely.

Of course you take your own safety first and only move over when you can - stands to reason. In thousands of km's of towing, its the potholes in the middle of the road that have caused the blowouts, and if your rig is towing well its never an issue to keep control

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21 Oct 2013 @ 16:13:41 pm
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It is OK to move over when, and only when you feel safe. What pisses me off the most is when you give way (with or without) a caravan is the people (you actually spell it poepol), who drive next to you and don't accelerate to pass quickly.
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21 Oct 2013 @ 21:16:51 pm
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Obeying the law of the road is non-negotiable, and every motorist should be familiar with what the legal implications are of stepping out of line. Along with traffic laws comes a host of uncertainty, and it’s wise to know your rights. A common topic among motorists is the rules regarding travelling in the emergency lane, or inside the yellow line. When are you permitted to use it, are you obliged to move into the yellow lane if a vehicle wants to pass you on an open road, or are you within your right to continue your steady path?

The answer is simple, and clearly laid out in Regulation 298A of the National Road Traffic Act which refers to yellow lines. Legally, the only time you are allowed to use the emergency lane is if you have a real emergency, such as if your car breaks down, if you are rushing to the hospital, or need to stop immediately in the event of a medical emergency. On a freeway, the emergency lane is reserved for emergencies only like fire-fighting vehicles, emergency response vehicles, rescue vehicles and ambulances, so if you need to use it then the purpose needs to be for the same kind of reasons. Using the emergency lane as a “passing lane” on a freeway is not permitted at all.

The only exception for normal motorists is if you are travelling on a single carriageway road with one lane in each direction. In this case it is permitted to move into the emergency lane to allow faster moving cars to pass you. However, the Act clearly states that if you are moving aside to allow vehicles to pass, you can only do so during daytime hours, which means between sunrise and sunset. By law you are required to make sure that you have at least 150m of visibility ahead before you move over, so under no circumstances can you slip into the yellow line on a blind rise. Likewise, on an open road, if there is heavy rain, mist or fog that hinders visibility, the emergency lane is out of bounds as you may hit a stationery vehicle, or worse, a
pedestrian.

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22 Oct 2013 @ 06:58:35 am
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Swanie

I hear what you say about the Law. Which is correct. However, I have stated previously that I drive average 10 000km/month on Limpopo roads, Gauteng and once a month North West. Therefor I think I have an fair idea as to what is going on on the roads.

For the past 4 years (480 000km), I have never came across any emergency vehicle using the "emergency lane" Yes I have seen Taxi's using this lane to overtake. Now we all know that is plain Stupid. During heavy fog or rain, you get the "more  than stupid ones" that simply stop in the middel of the road. Then I pass them on the E/lane.

Seen on more than one occation trucks driving @ 40km/h up Ysterberg and the been overtaken by another truck doing 42km/h with a wide "emergency lane" available. Now this is on a road where we have those "BLACK MONSTERS with Blue Lights" . (obviously within the legal speed limit) I see nothing wrong with these trucks using the "e/lane" And especially at night because, yes, they do not have tailights!!

The only time that I will not use the Emergency Lane when towing, is when it have a Red Line.

Just my 2c opinion.

At last !!!!
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22 Oct 2013 @ 09:11:17 am
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Hi Grumpy, I am so glad that you added that lot of information, because i have come upon those situations so often as well. As far back as what I can remember, I have also NEVER seen the yellow lane being used by emergency vehicles. I also do what andrew does - move into the yellow lane for others to overtake, definitely less stress for myself as well.
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22 Oct 2013 @ 09:18:33 am
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I have seen a lot of emergency vehicles using the emergency lane.....IN CITY LIMITS. Never on the open road.

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22 Oct 2013 @ 09:22:14 am
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I do confess that my patience is tested when you end up playing "tag" with someone. Happens on every long trip.

Strangely, it is almost always a Hyundai Atos, foot thru the floorboards they will overtake on a downhill...I catch up on the flat, and have to overtake him/her uphill or lose my momentum. After 2 or 3 of those I add a little speed for 10 k's and get rid of them.

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22 Oct 2013 @ 10:24:13 am
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Hey Andrew, don't you just hate those types of idiots on the road! I meant to say that i never spot emergency vehicles in the yellow lane on the open road - have seen them use it in the city limits.
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22 Oct 2013 @ 10:58:50 am
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What Swanie has posted is absolutely correct. Swanie has taken the information directly from the "AA Legal Eagle" which is found on the Automobile Association of South Africa's website.

 

 

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22 Oct 2013 @ 18:22:55 pm
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I have paid my license fees and am eligible to be on the road , If some a@#ehole has no patience as I have while towing then his bad luck that he is behind me.Sorry to those who dont have it but that is what is required and is the biggest shortfall in attitudes and causes the most accidents.
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23 Oct 2013 @ 08:19:23 am
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Another aspect that is close related to this one is following distances.
We came back from Plettenberg Bay after one December holiday. Two vehicles, one towing a caravan the other a boat, were clearly traveling together at +- 100km/h but the following distance between them was so close that even normal cars could not pass them one at a time, let alone some one towing or a larger vehicle.

The on coming traffic was rather busy and that caused a big pile up behind the two as you had to wait for a big gap so you can pass both of them at the same time. They also did not drive in the yellow lane.

When I got to pass them with a boat in tow, it was evident that none of them had any idea of the big pile up behind them. Neither of them could see whats going on behind them as they did not have extra towing miriors on.

They did get alot of signs that day, I can tell you that.


Suggestion! ! ! If you are traveling together normally the slowest guy would be infront so leave enough gap for other vehicles to pass you one at a time.
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23 Oct 2013 @ 08:40:31 am
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Hi Cowen,

No intention to hi-jack the thread, but also relates to yellow lane driving.

Travel on the N12 west of Johannesburg - the emergency vehicles weave in and out of the yellow and normal lanes, NOT IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, on a daily basis, creating havoc and panic.

Many cars are forced to suddenly brake or swerve to avoid them.

When you do give way, for them to overtake, they travel slowly in front holding up the traffic.

They misuse their lights - some travel normally and when they want to overtake in the yellow lane, that blue light comes on and switched off again when passed.

Others drive up your "RS" with that blinding light, even when you are in the left lane and nothing in the yellow or faster lane.

At the Zuurbekom robot, they set a nice example to others by turing right from the third lane from the right, being straight only. Less than a kilometer further they pull off vehicles at random, whilst they could rather attend to the more dangerous robot, known for serious accidents.

When they are on strike, it is actually a pleasure to drive, as the traffic flows freely!

 

 

 

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23 Oct 2013 @ 15:28:01 pm
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Leon

What you sid is absolutely correct. You will notice that your more "experienced" driver (caravanners) will read the road conditions. You do not need a degree to realize that a truck in front of you are going to cause a "traffic jam". In these conditions, I slow down and let the "faster" traffic pass me untill it is safe for me to pass without putting myself, or other road users in danger.

One should think this is "common sence" but unfortunately is don't seems so!

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23 Oct 2013 @ 16:31:37 pm
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One should think this is "common sence" but unfortunately is don't seems so!

Unfortunately most drivers out there don't use that too often Surprised


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24 Oct 2013 @ 00:20:22 am
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Hell David, you guys up there in the Gauteng province have my sympathies, sounds like hell-on wheels on the highways. it's no wonder that so many head down to the coast - to escape the mayhem and to recover and recharge. I think I would become so stressed out if I were to live up there! It must be pretty hair raising towing a caravan or boat on those highways, as most motorists seem to travel in excess of 140kph all around you. We also have our fair share of ass-hole drivers down here as well - I think that's what caused me to go grey at such a young age.

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24 Oct 2013 @ 08:13:34 am
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Keeps following motorists happy, they even greet you with a wave when passing.

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24 Oct 2013 @ 12:56:03 pm
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A thread was done a while ago about yellow line driving. I will never travel in the yellow line, as this is generally where you get the punctures and trust me YOU do not want to have one whilst towing. Besides I'm too quick for the yellow line driving, I'm overtakingYell.

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24 Oct 2013 @ 13:11:17 pm
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Suggestion...a few years back CaravanParks.Com sent out some bumper stickers. How about a new bunch with the CP branding and "Yellow Line Driving only when SAFE' as per Reg.

Would happily order one.

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24 Oct 2013 @ 14:33:39 pm
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Excellent idea, Reg - gonna get me one of them signs for my van. Thanks for thatCool

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25 Oct 2013 @ 07:25:48 am
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Maybe just below that a small one saying.........."AND I DECIDE WHAT IS SAFE".
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25 Oct 2013 @ 08:40:14 am
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Tien uit tien Leon.
Maybe just below that a small one saying.........."AND I DECIDE WHAT IS SAFE".
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25 Oct 2013 @ 12:56:28 pm
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I am getting one for the front on my Bakkie. It will  say " move over coming through ".Laughing

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25 Oct 2013 @ 13:20:23 pm
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Just something I learn't here in Limpopo....

When you approach unsafe conditions....donkeys, donkeys, donkeys, goats, monkeys etc.  Put you hazards on. Then the guys behind you can see something is about to happen.

(PS don't do it in Gauteng.. they don't even know what indicators areLaughing)

 

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30 Oct 2013 @ 20:47:18 pm
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I also pull over when save, but the Fortuner 4l v6 i keep up with the flow of trafic

don't let the people tease you. You may because you drive the "beast". I also have one and what a pleasure to tow with it. Except when I pull into the filling station.......
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30 Oct 2013 @ 21:01:03 pm
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This seems to be an important issue for all of us. Yes one should consider the guy behind you but you should also think about your own safety and your equipment. Driving in the yellow lane is dangerous and should only be done in real extreme circumstances. A sticker on your van should do it like Leon said.
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31 Oct 2013 @ 10:10:12 am
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My feeling is,  if you care about your own safety, you will also consider other's safety.

Therefore I will go to the yellow line if I can see 1km and daytime only also only on straights no invline or declines.

No need to enrage the already road hogs.

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31 Oct 2013 @ 10:27:19 am
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InnocentInnocent It is the 'Fast-and-furious' whom are responsible for all the accidents on the roads todayInnocentInnocent

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31 Oct 2013 @ 10:28:02 am
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I like your idea as well, Leon - will add that one to my van also, good one!
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31 Oct 2013 @ 11:36:27 am
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Nice ideas floating around here. 

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31 Oct 2013 @ 11:51:15 am
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Nice ideas floating around here. 

Alway good to hear what other campers do. Puts you at ease with what your'e doing.
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07 Nov 2013 @ 09:25:41 am
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Driving on the N2 North of Richards Bay has become a nightmare - simply because of Yellow line drivers.

I have had way too many close calls, primarily caused by oncoming traffic overtaking a vehicle travelling in the yellow lane but consequently edging too deep into my lane. The habit of drivers being forced to pull over into the emergency lane is so obscene that it has got to the level that 120km/hr is too "slow" to travel in a normal lane. While I do move over, I absolutely won't do so unless I have a clear view for at 300m. I don't care how angry or aggressive the driver behind me may get - my safety and that of my passengers has priority over their impatience.

KZN south has a similar road design yet none of this nonsense.
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07 Nov 2013 @ 10:17:45 am
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I also, when still caravanning, if the road conditions/visiblity allowed, pulled over, but frequently found it difficult to return to normal drive lane.

Nowaydays I travel without van, sometimes with luggage trailer at speed of 120, and, if road conditions.visibility is good, still give way, BUT, don't come behind me with lights flickering!!! you may well get a finger sign, (I must tell that i don't have right index finger any more, and then you will realise what I mean!!!)

It is still your choice to make way, and if you are on speedlimit as set, no one can force you to make way.

So, next time you pass me, watch for the finger!!!!

Frans

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07 Nov 2013 @ 11:13:25 am
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Deuce, I agree and support you on that, but when I tow within city /urban areas eg Johannesburg or Pretoria, There is noway I will even considder the yelow lane. Simply to dangerous.
On the open roads, when SAFE, i do move over, again only when there is only one normal lane and a wide enough yellow lane. Where there are more than one lane, I don not move over.
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07 Nov 2013 @ 11:28:14 am
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I have just read Swannies comments, a few replies up, thats the way I do, but towing a caravan, I feel 150m is to close for comfort, if you need to stop due to something going wrong at say 200m with the van behind me, I need more space!!!
If in doubt, stay in normal lane, but don not unnessacary test people's patience - second largest cause of accidents.

Dankie Swannie

Be patient, dont test patience then you wont become a patient.
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07 Nov 2013 @ 11:41:35 am
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The key words as you pointed out Johann is "when safe". I worry that this practice leads to driving habits that are far it.
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07 Nov 2013 @ 11:45:05 am
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By the way - sometimes a quick acknowledgement to the moron flashing his lights behind you, by means of a wave or use of the indicators (not the finger Innocent) that you are aware that he wants to overtake can alleviate a some of the reckless and agressive driving.

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07 Nov 2013 @ 12:10:24 pm
Anonymous

Never thaught about that, I will definately use my hazards in future, hope they understand. I am am to skinny to use the finger hahaha.

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07 Nov 2013 @ 12:43:11 pm
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He-he-he. I thought I would get reaction on the finger gesture!!!!, no, I will not show finger, although I do really have only 4 left on RIGHT hand!!!

I am also to old to get into road rage fight!!!!

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