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Does anyone know why vans changed from gas lights, stove and fridges to 12v or 220v

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25 Nov 2020 @ 12:03:40 pm
Paddyandpaul
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When i grew up my parents had a 15ft Jurgens in 60s with piped gas for lights stove and fridge with one gas bottle up front by the tow hitch. Admittedly most camp sites did not have 220v at individual sites, but you were pretty much set up for off the grid camping.

Why do vans not come out with this option now available? The erecting of solar panels and maintaining of batteries to me is much more of a hassle now than the old system. I can see there is a safety aspect but I never heard of vans burning or people being gassed in those days.
We just manage with a heb cooler and rechargeable led lights now and gas 3 plate stove and can camp 1 week at a time if needs be when there is no 220v.
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25 Nov 2020 @ 12:12:51 pm
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Als was beter in die 60 jre.

Toe was daar ingeneurs.

 

Al weer oppad iewers heen.
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25 Nov 2020 @ 12:27:35 pm
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Ons het met n ou Cabsen (Cabson? Spelling) gaan toer in 1968, n lang toer na Port St Johns. Dit was so koud dat my skoonpa die gasliggies aangesit het om die karavaan warm te maak. Die liggies was n juweel, maar ons moet nie vergeet dat die sakkies uitmekaar geskud het op die ongelooflike-slegte pad vanaf Umtata na Port St Johns nie. n Gasliggie was frolik, maar die aansteek daarvan in die middel van die nag was nogal n mission.


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25 Nov 2020 @ 14:02:37 pm
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I don't think campers generally need or want gas anymore.  Gas, especially for a fridge, is quite expensive and you will not get any discount at electrified parks for not using their 220V hook-up.  Gas is dangerous, we cannot argue on this, and using a stove or even a gas light in a not properly ventilated van poses the risk of carbon monoxcide poisoning which leads to death. Fridges using gas are also expensive, heavy and not very effective. 

For the few people who really need gas because of the areas they camp, there surely would be solutions, but I am certainly not one of them. I do carry a small Bluet camping stove in the van for emergencies, but that is as far as I would go.

I do agree the hiss of a gis light and the memory of the smell of the gas light burning is nostalgic, but today's gas does not even smell the same anymore and just smells bad.

Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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25 Nov 2020 @ 14:09:18 pm
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When i grew up my parents had a 15ft Jurgens in 60s with piped gas for lights stove and fridge with one gas bottle up front by the tow hitch. Admittedly most camp sites did not have 220v at individual sites, but you were pretty much set up for off the grid camping.

Why do vans not come out with this option now available? The erecting of solar panels and maintaining of batteries to me is much more of a hassle now than the old system. I can see there is a safety aspect but I never heard of vans burning or people being gassed in those days.
We just manage with a heb cooler and rechargeable led lights now and gas 3 plate stove and can camp 1 week at a time if needs be when there is no 220v.

I would think the main reason is that now a days 220V is available everywhere.  Thus the caravan manufactures followed suit.

I for one still need 220V for the fridge in the Maia the rest is 12V and gas.  I will however make a plan to run the fridge from 12V and inverter in future.

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25 Nov 2020 @ 16:11:45 pm
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Gas was replaced due to Safety reasons.

Electricity also requires less maintenance.

 

Kom ons gaan kamp
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25 Nov 2020 @ 16:24:51 pm
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I wouldn't mind if we could go back to those set ups. The 3 way fridges worked well if the caravan was level and the electricity lasted long enough on the battery system. People spend fortunes these days to get their caravans off the grid, but in the good old days you bought your caravan ready for camping without electricity.

There are still lots of campsites without electricity, especially private game reserves in Limpopo. I really think we miss out on the best camping spots because we are dependent on electricity. My christmas present to myself is definately going to be a gas fridge. With gas fridge, solar lights and gas stove, I think I am about ready to really go camping. 

 

 In short- glamping, off the grid set up not necessary. Camping- can't do without it.

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25 Nov 2020 @ 17:32:01 pm
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Fred i have nostalgic memories of the hiss of gas lights in the old caravans, and the smell of burnt gas was always a memory of camping that made me want to go camping. Even when the van was parked off there was always that evocative smell of the gas that got you longing for camping. 

I would like a 220v/12v / gas fridge for those longer holidays without electricity, but being a pensioner think it will remain a dream.

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25 Nov 2020 @ 21:01:30 pm
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Ek stem saam met Fred oor gas gevaar al het ons nooit gehoor van vergassing. Gas is duur soos bv vir 'n huis tipe gas yskas is die koste omtrent R700pm. Dis meer as al die krag wat ek maandeliks gebruik.

In kort sal ek sê die rede is VOORUITGANG. As ons ouer geword het sou ons seker sê die ossewa was ook beter as die 550Nm vuurwa waarmee ons sleep. Dan kon jy osse slag en altyd vars vleis hê :) 

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25 Nov 2020 @ 22:02:34 pm
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Greetings Paul,

I think I can understand what prompted your question, being a camper who preferes to go back to the basics of camping with few or no modern " gadgets " you were destined to prefer  gas and at best an old fashioned battery torch, with a spade to take a walk into the bush.

I must agree with most of the comments above regarding the switch over to 220 volt.

But gas is also a lot more weight to cart around, although if you are a 4 x 4 camper then in most cases you have both Batteries, chargers, inverters and so on as well as gas. In addition you would usually have a massive Twin Cab which can handle a lot of additional weight.

An interesting feature on the older vans is the Vent that was located in the floor just inside of the door. The purpose of this vent was to get rid of any gas that may have leaked into the van from any of the appliances.  The gas which is heavier than air would always sink to the floor and hopefully out through the vent in the floor. This removal of gas would also be aided by  any breeze under the caravan. ( the Built in safeties did not always function as they should )

Go in Safety

 

 

 

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26 Nov 2020 @ 06:34:45 am
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Many vans still use gas for the stove at least.

I liked gas for the fridge until I realised it used way too much gas and not very good.

I have been camping offgrid all my life, so for me solar is a godsend!!!

No more dirty and noisy generator.

Currently have a 200AH battery, 200W solar panel and 1.5kw inverter.

Running 80L fridge, 45L freezer, water pump, lights, 800W microwave and coffee machine :)

Basically due to the size of the solar panel and battery, I put it on the van roof and do not have to worry about anything again.

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26 Nov 2020 @ 07:37:20 am
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A bit off topic and some usless information  , the gas mantles we used were radio active and dangerouse to handle as you could breathe in the dust particles when changing out mantles , not sure if the ones we use today are as radio active.

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26 Nov 2020 @ 11:44:55 am
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Gas vir my werk soos n bom met my twee plat cadac gas stoof my sonpaneel gee weer krag waar daar nie is en dan krag 220 gebruik jy weer waar jy hom kry ja daar sis soveel opsies deesdae

Haak daai wa kamp bly koning
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28 Nov 2020 @ 15:54:18 pm
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How well I remember being banned from this website for calling CI cheap. I posted pics of skew doors, cheap rubber door stops, staples instead of screws etc.....

The answer to the question is solely because it's cheaper !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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29 Nov 2020 @ 12:54:35 pm
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Gas was a proposition when, like petrol in those days, it was dirt cheap. 
A 4,5 kilo gas bottle would keep your gas operated caravan fridge cold for ten days. At present day gas prices it is not at all feasible where 220 volt is available.

Running a gas fridge  elements from a 12 volt battery is also not a proposition as a permanent solution. Irrespective wether it is directly from the battery or via an inverter to a 220 volt element, it will drain the battery in no time. 220 / 12  volt fridges running compressors is the only modern day solution.

Gas is for heating / cooking when camping off-grid. For lighting and refrigeration solar with batteries is the way to go.

Our first caravan had gas lamps and the fridge was gas only. At the time we did not know of a better camping solution, so we simply had to make do and was a bunch of happy campers.

 

 

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29 Nov 2020 @ 14:45:44 pm
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Electric is more efficient/cheaper, requires less maintenance and is safer. Advances in technology driven by demand has made it possible.

I believe the UK is banning the sale of internal combustion cars from 2030. Electric seems to be the future?

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29 Nov 2020 @ 15:01:21 pm
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Where there is no sustainable high capacity power (Eskom), as required for heating,  gas will still have its place. For cooling and lighting, electric has become the best solution.

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03 Dec 2020 @ 15:14:30 pm
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That is what I love about my 2006 Classique, Fridge is full sized and work with 220V, 12V or Gas.  The geyser work with all 3 as well.  The lights and water pump work with 12V.  I can camp on or off grid.  I can still camp when the Escom power is dodgy with cold beers and a hot shower.  Most camping sites have 220v and you pay for that so I use it.  Even used the shower on gas at home when the power was off.  I have a 25 year old HEV 12V/ 220V freezer that still works as well as the day I bought it.  For real off grid camping I hired 2 x 100W solar panels and a 105 AH deep cycle battery.  It worked really well for 2 weeks at Mabibi, tent camping with no electricity, no cell phone reception and no data. 

Lang termyn doelwit, Lank staan kamper
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03 Dec 2020 @ 18:16:24 pm
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That is what I love about my 2006 Classique, Fridge is full sized and work with 220V, 12V or Gas.  The geyser work with all 3 as well.  The lights and water pump work with 12V.  I can camp on or off grid.  I can still camp when the Escom power is dodgy with cold beers and a hot shower.  Most camping sites have 220v and you pay for that so I use it.  Even used the shower on gas at home when the power was off.  I have a 25 year old HEV 12V/ 220V freezer that still works as well as the day I bought it.  For real off grid camping I hired 2 x 100W solar panels and a 105 AH deep cycle battery.  It worked really well for 2 weeks at Mabibi, tent camping with no electricity, no cell phone reception and no data. 


Fritz you sound like you have the best of all setups. I see your Classique is 2006 so did it come with all those power and gas options and does it have battery back up?
I would be fine if we just had a 220v/12v and gas fridge, which would make camping off the grid that much more comfortable, could then think of camping 5 days to 2 weeks without electricity although we have done a week using a hebcooler and vacuum packed meat.
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03 Dec 2020 @ 21:15:04 pm
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Hi Paul, You can always go back to the times before we even had gas for fridges, cookers and the like.

The amazing, inexpensive, tasty, convenient,  ................. Yes you guessed it

 

                                        TINNED PROTEIN

There is quite a choice.

Corned Beef,  Tinned Vienna Sausages, Tinned Ham, Tinned  Mackerel , Tinned oysters, Tinned Muscles, Tinned Pilchards, Pickled Fish,  Tinned Meat Balls, Tinned Chicken.

                                        THERE IS ALSO

Salted Snoek, Roll Mops, Bokoms,  Biltong.

                                         FINALLY

You could catch a variety of salt or fresh water fish, crabs and so on.

Yes, That is how it used to work

That's enough cr..  from me.

Go in safety

 

 

 

 

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04 Dec 2020 @ 19:40:40 pm
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Brian i cannot do tinned meat like bully beef and meatballs  and sardines .Time in the army on the border cured me of most of that after living on bully beef for 3 months. Will do ham, tuna with pasta and mayonaise, mussles and picled fish, and do actually do some of that on holiday. Salami also lasts a while and we do that with bread and cheese for lunchl.

So there are ways of stretching things out to a week, but 2 not easy. You have to enjoy your holiday and good food is part of the pleasurable experience not just survival.

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