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24 Jul 2014 @ 09:36:24 am
Anonymous

What is the difference between lead acid batterry and deep cycle?

Ek gebruik nog altyd gewone kar baterye en het nog nooit gesukkel nie, selfs met die mover wat ek gebruik geen probleme nie.

Sal die Deep Cycly langer hou as gewone batery of nie? My baterye hou gemideld 4 jaar of langer.

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24 Jul 2014 @ 10:31:23 am
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Johann wat is die prys verskil op die batt. Rk gebruik nog altyd die gewone batt.as ek die deepcicle moet vervang.
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24 Jul 2014 @ 10:51:00 am
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Johann, myns insiens een en dieselfde ding. Dit is net salesman talk

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24 Jul 2014 @ 11:09:27 am
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Johan dis vir my ook maar n moeilike eene het al twee gebruik kan die verskil nie agterkom nie net die prys verskil maar volgens die kenners kan die deep cycle battery meer van pap na vol gelaai word sonder dat daar skade aan die battery gedoen word. Wat ek wel geondervind het dat die deep cycle langer vat om te laai
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24 Jul 2014 @ 11:29:48 am
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Hi all

I can't go into it just now, and before the thread grows, careful guys, careful. there really is a big difference.

The difference is in the construction and materials used in the battery.

Use in the wrong application will dramatically shorten the life of the battery, so you won't actually notice the difference initally.

Quickly

Deep cycle: - Not good to use for applications like starting cars. (high draw short duration)

Lead acid: - (Car batteries) not good to use in applictions where they are not charged for long periods of time and go flat.

I'll give technicalities later.... Just busy now

Regards

Warren

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24 Jul 2014 @ 11:39:48 am
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johann hierdie is nou n topic wat ek bokkerol weet ek gaan saam jou meer leer dis wat ek van die forum waardeur
Haak daai wa kamp bly koning
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24 Jul 2014 @ 11:40:09 am
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Johann,. Warren het vinnig daaraan geraak, ek nie baie tyd, gaan gouy skryf. DiepSiklus is gemaak met dikker plate, gee lae stroom vir langer tye, gemaak om leeg te raak en volgelaai te word. Baie duurder, groter en swaarder.

Kar se battery is gemaak om kort kragtige krag te gee soos vir kar aansit, en moet gedurig gelaai word, As hy pap word, en dan laai, is hy gou-gou in sy meor!!!

Vir karavaan gebruik jy wat jy het, solank as wat jy kan!!!, Ek het al die jare sommer TV battery gekoop, daai wat die manne van die sinkkampe op die skouer dra een maal elke twee weke om gelaai te word!!!, Hulle het ook miinder en dikker plate vir die doel van min krag gee soos Diepsiklus, maar nie so langdurig (sien dan die prysverskil), maar kan pap raak en weer volgelaai word, male sonder tal.

Dit is een van die redes waaroor ek vir baie jare NIE die wa se laaier vertrou het nie, maar eerder sypellaaiertjie gebruik het, maar ook waarom my battery dan 10 jaar en langer kon hou.

So terloops, my vorige battery in MB was 7 jaar in gebruik, en het begin hoes, ek het hom vervang met "generiese" produk, wat ook uit Europa kom, selfde fabriek as MB, maar een derde van die prys!!! VARTA of so-iets, dit word nou algemeen gebruik.

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24 Jul 2014 @ 12:10:14 pm
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Jy sien laat dit vir you n' les wees, ek gebruik ook Diepsiklus in my bus vir die invetorLaughing

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24 Jul 2014 @ 12:18:58 pm
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Hi all

Back, pulled from aunty google, Goes to what Frans & I are saying, see para (2)

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FROM GOOGLE

A Few Basics

The Lead Acid battery is made up of plates, lead, and lead oxide (various other elements are used to change density, hardness, porosity, etc.) with a 35% sulfuric acid and 65% water solution. This solution is called electrolyte, which causes a chemical reaction that produce electrons. When you test a battery with a hydrometer, you are measuring the amount of sulfuric acid in the electrolyte. If your reading is low, that means the chemistry that makes electrons is lacking. So where did the sulfur go? It is resting on the battery plates and when you recharge the battery, the sulfur returns to the electrolyte.

1. We must think safety when we are working around and with batteries. Remove all jewelry. After all you don't want to melt your watchband while you are wearing the watch. The hydrogen gas that batteries make when charging is very explosive. We have seen several instances of batteries blowing up and drenching everything in sulfuric acid. That is no fun, and would have been a good time to use those safety goggles that are hanging on the wall. Heck, just break out your disco outfit. Polyester is not affected by Sulfuric Acid, but anything with cotton will be eaten up. If you do not feel the need to make a fashion statement just wear junk clothes, after all Polyester is still out of style. When doing electrical work on vehicles it is best to disconnect the ground cable. Just remember you are messing with corrosive acid, explosive gases and 100's amps of electrical current.

2. Basically there are two types of lead acid batteries (along with 3 sub categories); The two main types are Starting (cranking), and Deep Cycle (marine/golf cart). The starting battery (SLI starting lights ignition) is designed to deliver quick bursts of energy (such as starting engines) and therefore has a greater plate count. The plates are thinner and have somewhat different material composition. Thedeep cycle battery has less instant energy, but greater long-term energy delivery. Deep cycle batteries have thicker plates and can survive a number of discharge cycles. Starting batteries should not be used for deep cycle applications because the thinner plates are more prone to warping and pitting when discharged. The so-called Dual Purpose Battery is a compromise between the two types of batteries, though it is better to be more specific if possible.

END GOOGLE

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Briefy, selecting the correct battery for the application is also quite an involved story, be careful not to under spec. the battery because of the price.

Battey purchase is one of those things that goed-koop is duur-koop

@ Johann, (OP) what application is the battery intended for?

 

OK now I got to bugger off 

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24 Jul 2014 @ 12:56:39 pm
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Dankie.
As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

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24 Jul 2014 @ 13:07:52 pm
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Also as Frans said, the normal car battery, can be charged with a normal charger(fast charge), the deep cycle battery should only be charged with a tricle charger(slow charge)

"Children have never been good at listening to their elders, but they have never failed to imitate them."
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24 Jul 2014 @ 13:26:53 pm
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Ok Back....

@ Johann Sorry, my wumblest apologies... (vandag is ex besig soos n badkamer lig...

aan - af - aan - af - aan - af, and I did not read your post correctly,

I deduce that you are needing to replace an existing battery, and are wondering if a deep cycle would last longer, because of the higher cost.

If that is the case, then no, it would be the wrong application for a deep cycle, (and I include caravan movers due to the high current draw), and it would crash quite quickly. You need to get a SLI battery (ordinary automotive battery)

@ Back-Packer.. Thanks makes sense,  Never knew, always charged on normal.. Surprised ..not trickle   

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24 Jul 2014 @ 13:37:11 pm
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Jy sien laat dit vir you n' les wees, ek gebruik ook Diepsiklus in my bus vir die invetorLaughing

Hi WJ

Running an Inverter is a correct application for a deep cycle battery because of the tendency to draw the battery to depletion.

SLI <Starter Lights Ignition batteries> do not like that one little bit and will quickly go phutttt.

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24 Jul 2014 @ 13:38:39 pm
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I use my caravan battery mainly for the movers, and the 12v lights, and keep it permanently charged.

@ GH, Gert, my "normale" batery was R950.00, dit is wel 'n lekker groot batery, maar sover ek kon vastel, kos die Deep Cycle" so R1800.00, ek het my movers verlede jaar Okt laat opsit, en nou wonder ek of ek nie dalk die batery se leeftyd verkort deur dit onder hoë druk te sit vir kort tye nie, maar na Warren se verduideliking, dink ek my batery is reg vir die doel.

@ Frans, in die verlede het my baterye pap geloop en dan charge ek dit 2 dae voor ek haak, my vermoede is dat dit juis die leeftyd verkort het. Die batery hou ek vol en het dit ook "beskerm" teen die winter koue, met behulp van ou stuk mat wat ek onder en om die batery gesit het. My van het van 17 Junie tot nou toe gestaan, en toe ek dit toets, wys als 100%

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24 Jul 2014 @ 14:05:59 pm
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I use my caravan battery mainly for the movers, and the 12v lights, and keep it permanently charged.

@ GH, Gert, my "normale" batery was R950.00, dit is wel 'n lekker groot batery, maar sover ek kon vastel, kos die Deep Cycle" so R1800.00, ek het my movers verlede jaar Okt laat opsit, en nou wonder ek of ek nie dalk die batery se leeftyd verkort deur dit onder hoë druk te sit vir kort tye nie, maar na Warren se verduideliking, dink ek my batery is reg vir die doel.

@ Frans, in die verlede het my baterye pap geloop en dan charge ek dit 2 dae voor ek haak, my vermoede is dat dit juis die leeftyd verkort het. Die batery hou ek vol en het dit ook "beskerm" teen die winter koue, met behulp van ou stuk mat wat ek onder en om die batery gesit het. My van het van 17 Junie tot nou toe gestaan, en toe ek dit toets, wys als 100%

Johann, one other thing, It's not helpful to engage the mover's then go to Cape-Town in one go <just kidding> 

There is a hell of a current draw, (check your specs on the mover), What I would suggest is move, rest, then move, rest and continue until you are where you want to be.

You are really hammering the battery if you engage the mover for (My gut feel) around 20 - 30 seconds in one go...

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24 Jul 2014 @ 14:35:39 pm
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Thanks Warren, I will keep that in mind. The ideal is to unhutch as close as possible to where you wish to stand, but yes, that never realises, and at home, there are just to many corners and tight spots to park the van.

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24 Jul 2014 @ 15:23:32 pm
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Most caravan mover manufacturers specify a 75Ah to a 110Ah battery my mover uses an average of 30A and I have a 105Ah battery.

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24 Jul 2014 @ 16:08:10 pm
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@ Johann, At your service and with pleasure.

I humbly offer what little knowledge I have so that everyone can make better decisions. I'm always hesitent to post on technical issues as I really don't want to be seen as a "know-it-all.. I DONT..

Truth be told, I only have bits and pieces of the whole puzzle of outdoorsing, some bits are more complete than others.. 

Most caravan mover manufacturers specify a 75Ah to a 110Ah battery my mover uses an average of 30A and I have a 105Ah battery.

Hi Brian

Thanks, you can see then that that's an awful amount of internal <"inside the battery"> heat generated, and that's what causes the plates to buckle, sending the battery to the cemetary.

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24 Jul 2014 @ 17:18:16 pm
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I have never had a problem with my deep cycle battery and caravan mover.
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24 Jul 2014 @ 18:01:25 pm
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I have never had a problem with my deep cycle battery and caravan mover.

Thats what I'm saying and I've used my mover extensively while camping permanently for the past two years without any trouble at all.

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24 Jul 2014 @ 19:13:04 pm
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30 Amps for a deep cycle battery for longer periods is reasonable . while 70 or 80 Amps for a lead acid battery is reasonable-but for only a few  seconds at a time.

Depending on the type of deep cycle battery  you can draw fairly high amperage continously for a long time while a lead acid battery delivers a very large current for only a short time (starter battery).

This makes the dep cycle battery better suited for extended bundu camping.

Most deep cycle batteries also require no maintenance or very little (look at the so-called GEL batteries) while lead acid batteries do require regular checking and filling up, particular in higher temperatures and while idle and not in use.

I have a 75 Ah deep cycle battery in my van together with a CTEK charger  and during a visit to Krueger I was unable to recharge the battery , because a wire was broken in the charger circuit.

I used the mover for a total of 45 minutes in 3 camps  plus a roof mounted extraction fan in my van during 40 degrees of heat  (3 or 4 hours in day and approx. 2 -3 hours in the evenings plus all my led lights in the van.

Afgter 7 days I left krueger for home and the charge meter for the battery still showed 30 percent.

On arriving home I used the mover again for approx. 10 minutes to park the van and gthe charge meter  was still around 25 %. 

Plugged the 230V in after the repair guy from LOFTUS CARAVANS fixed the wire and next morning the battery was o.k. and fully charged.

I am not sure  if the same would have been achieved with a lead acid battery,.

If one is camping (with a mover) frequently and for longer than 2 or 3 days or so in places without 230V, I would say that a deep cycle battery with a dedicated charger is a big advantage (also when using Inverters).

If one camps 99 % on "powered" resorts, I go so far as  to say that a battery may not even be neccessary, unless you have a mover.

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25 Jul 2014 @ 06:50:11 am
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Eish Guys,

Thank you for all the most valuable imnformation but now i'm more confused. Not because of the value of the information but due to my layman knowledge of this topic.

I'm having the original caravan battery in my Classique (2010) assume it is a lead acid battery? Now, my caravan is always connected to the 230v electricity at home whilst parked because i keep the fridge running, altough set at minimum coldness.
I've however recently bought the electric 2 ton scissor jacks for which i've designed and installed permanent brackets for the fitting of the jacks when needed for either a flat tire or for levelling purposes of the caravan.

For the jacks to be easily operated i've asked Loftus caravans to install 12volt female plugs in the bodywork just in front of the wheels, both sides, to prop the male plud of the jacks into when i want to draw 12 volt power for the jacks to lift the wheel/caravan. The electrition of Loftus Caravans has connected the 12volt female plugs via a wire directly on the normal caravan lead acid battery though without an in-line fuse!
Is this correct? specifically because of the heaviness of the caravan or wheel that the jack must lift at a given time? Would a deep cicle like Brain has on his caravan 105Ah not be better or safer?
Then, could you also tell, if 105AH deep cicle is installed, Must i install a trigger charger also?

Tx guys, awaiting your must appreciated guidance...
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25 Jul 2014 @ 07:06:35 am
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When the Mover was installed on the Penta, it was supplied with a 105Ah deepcycle battery.  According to the installer that is what was recommended by the supplier overseas.

That same deep cycle battery is still going strong in the Classique Close to 5 years already. The original smaller deep cycle battery wich came with the Classique I now and then recharge and use it as a back up or just to test 12V equipment on the work bench. This one is close to 3 years old stand mostly charged used very little but still works fine.

Which proves the intent of a Deep Cycle Battery. They are usually used on boats or in caravans. Very short period of time but will last the long wait until the boat or caravan is used again.

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25 Jul 2014 @ 07:14:30 am
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Ek het nie n battery in my Wa nie. Deepcycle is baie duurder vir n rede. Hulle hou langer en ja dit vat langer om hulle te "charge" maar hulle gee langer krag as n gewone kar battery.

Op ons kommunikasie stelsels op die myne gebruik ons ook deep cycles. Rede dood eenvoudig...indien die krag afgaan, kan die batterye van 8 tot 12 ure lank die stelsel aan die gang hou. Hoe groter die stelsel, hoe groter en meer batterye het jy nodig.

As jy min gebruik maak van n battery in jou Wa het jy nie n groot een nodig nie. As jy net ligte vir n klein rukkie nodig het gaan jy dalk oor die weg kan kom met n gewone kar battery. Maar as jy heeltemal net afhanklik van n battery is en geen ander krag het nie bv as jy n boswa het en jy kuier in die bos, gaan jy net n klein rukkie krag he.

Praktiese voorbeeld. Sit jou kar se ignition aan, al die ligte, radio waaier alles wat krag gebruik sonder om die kar aan te skakel. Binne 30min tot 60min is die battery pap.

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25 Jul 2014 @ 08:49:14 am
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Ok Back....

@ Johann Sorry, my wumblest apologies... (vandag is ex besig soos n badkamer lig...

aan - af - aan - af - aan - af, and I did not read your post correctly,

I deduce that you are needing to replace an existing battery, and are wondering if a deep cycle would last longer, because of the higher cost.

If that is the case, then no, it would be the wrong application for a deep cycle, (and I include caravan movers due to the high current draw), and it would crash quite quickly. You need to get a SLI battery (ordinary automotive battery)

@ Back-Packer.. Thanks makes sense,  Never knew, always charged on normal.. Surprised ..not trickle   

SORRY ALL......... I HAVE CREATED SOME CONFUSION 

Everyone sorry I just have re-read my post and I have transposed the battery applications for movers

A deep cycle would be the correct application for a mover and not a SLI 

The construction of a SLI has thinner plates

Thin plates do not like high extended high current draw 

MY APOLOGIES

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25 Jul 2014 @ 09:22:42 am
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Baie dankie vir al die insette, dit is uiters leersaam.

Wat ek dus gaan doen is, sodra die huidige batery geesgee, vervang ek dit met ordentlike 105ah deep cycle. Ek gebruik my batery byna nooit, dit is vir die movers en LED ligte as krag af gaan.

Om nou die nuwe batery te vervang net om beter te gaan, dink ek nie is nodig nie.

However, I believe the next batterry will be a Deep Cycle.

Once again, thanks for the input, I believe a lot of us learnt here.

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25 Jul 2014 @ 14:55:44 pm
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Wil amper sê 'n "Deep Cycle Batt" is meer 'n bystands battery. Kan krag lewer soos benodig maar hou langer as 'n gewone battery wanneer dit nie in gebruik is nie.

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25 Jul 2014 @ 15:19:09 pm
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Johann

If you are using a deep cycle battery just for the LED lights and the mover and you are mostly camping on 230V sites, you won't need a 105 Ah battery.

As I said I have a 75 Ah battery and I managed very well for 7 days incl. mover over 3 sites and at home.

A 105 Ah battery is maybe required for a heavy double axle van or if you plan to be 8,9 or 10 days in the wilderness.

A 75 or 70 Ah battery would be quite sufficient and it cost much less than a big one.

The special charger will be cheaper too.

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25 Jul 2014 @ 17:12:52 pm
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Thanks Gerd, appteciate your advise, i really dont go off roading, so will mostely have electricity.

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25 Jul 2014 @ 17:14:59 pm
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PS. Will that mean a change of charger? I have the standard charger in my van.

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25 Jul 2014 @ 18:48:21 pm
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Baie dankie vir al die raad en inligting. Nou verstaan ek ook die gedoente. Is dit n goeie ding om die wa dan permanent op die huis se krag te hou as hy staan? Ek hou my yskas permanent aan
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25 Jul 2014 @ 19:21:08 pm
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Johann, die ingeboude laaier sou ek nie maklik vertrou (ek gaan weer gestenig word hieroor) want daar is die neiging dat hulle "oorlaai" maar as jy die probleem nog nie gehad het nie, dan is hy seker in goeie werkende toestand.

Sovele kere kla mense oor "slegte reuk" van plek waar battery ge-installeer is, die ding oorlaai, die battery kla!!! Ek was al aangespreek oor hierdie "aantygings" so sal eerder nie verder kommentaar lewer nie!!

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25 Jul 2014 @ 19:25:06 pm
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I hope someone has been charged for all this advice.
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25 Jul 2014 @ 19:42:57 pm
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Sjoe sjoe sjoe sjoe sjoe!!! Ek hoor klomp dinge wat daai reuk wat jy van praat sal veroorsaak Frans! En ja, jy is reg, vertrou my op die een, ek weet..

Johann, uit my persoonlike en professionele opinie, hier kom dit nou in 'n baie kort verhaal:

Jy kan starter battery gebruik en aanhou gebruik vir die doel wat jy het, dis fine en jy kry jou 4 jaar of 5 jaar uit battery, korrek?

As jy nou 2x die prys wil betaal, belowe ek jou nou dat jy defnitief nie 2x die leeftyd sal kry as jy deep cycle gaan nie. Ek is bereid om geld daarop te plaas.

30 Amp lading vir die kort tydjie wat jy dit gebruik, is nie vir enige van die 2 tipe batterye 'n probleem nie, selfs nie eens 40 Amp nie.

Jy kan beide tipes batterye gebruik, dis jou keuse. Baie mense verstaan batteryleeftyd verkeerd - mense wil batterye meet in jare, maar batterye werk eintlik in siklusse.

SIKLUS: Ontlaai, laai - dis een siklus

Die diepte wat jy afgaan met die battery (depth of discharge) is waar die verskil nou inkom. Mense wat s 'n deep cycle sal nie lank hou as dit enjin moet start nie, s dit omdat hulle dit gehoor het en nie die specs van die batterye lees nie. Sommige deep cycles het baie sterker cranking amps as gewone lead acid starter batterye - o ja, deep cycles kan ook lead acid wees - net terminologie regkry.

Dis baie moeilik om die thread op regte draai te kry sonder om bladsye te skryf.

Batterye het 'n gegewe verwagte aantal siklusse.

DEEP CYCLES is veronderstel om in sekere periodes vir jou sekere krag te verskaf vir langer tydperk, korrek in mate, die plate is dikker, en addisionele sout inhoud (gewoonlik kalsium) help bietjie.

Pasop vir die "naam" Deep Cycle, en die werklike toepassings van Deep Cycle. Daar is BAIE soorte deep cycle batterye in mark en baie spesialiteitsbatterye ook.

AS ek praat van siklusse:
Deep cycles (gewone lead acid deep cycle) lewer sekere aantal siklusse in sekere omstandighede:
Dis waar depth of discharge inkom, so ook die tyd wat die battery in sekere vlak onder 85% spandeer, so ook die temperatuur (klein mate, maar tog), so ook die herlaai van battery ens ens.

As ek vinnig 'n vergelyking moet maak:
EK stel die volgende:
Battery word ontlaai na 80% kapasiteit, dus 20% ontlaai en dan weer daarna herlaai tot rofweg 100% (rofweg) - die stroom is nie nou ter sprake nie, in enige van ons se behoeftes sal dit nie so groot verskil maak nie, sal later daar kom.

Gewone starter battery: 300 - 1000 siklusse afhangend van battery (Ja VARTA is beter as "xxxxxxx" - meeste ander battery maw)

Gewone lead acid flooded deep cycle: 60 - 100 siklusse

Sekere ander Deep cycle batterye: 1500 - 4500+ siklusse afhangend van tipe deep cycle (daar is AGM, daar is dry cell, crystal, tubular cell ens)

Nou doen ek dieselfde oefening met weer nuwe batterye en gaan nou af na 20% (dus haal ek 80% uit) en laai weer.

Gewone starter battery: 20 - 30 siklusse afhangend van battery

Gewone lead acid flooded deep cycle: 40 - 50 siklusse (sien nou hoe verskil starter en deep cycle)

Sekere ander Deep cycle batterye: 300 - 1500+ siklusse afhangend van tipe deep cycle (daar is AGM, daar is dry cell, crystal, tubular cell ens

Sal netnou aangaan, gaan gou "kaas rasper"
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25 Jul 2014 @ 19:52:03 pm
Anonymous

Ole!!, I'm totally CHARGED, now on my 5th helping of "dooswyn" awaiting some food, that my daughter is bringing home aftger visit to wife in hospital, I think I will have the "fish and chips" tomorrow for breakfast!!!!

Dankie, Pieter, het al gedog ek praat sommer tjol!!!, niemand neem notisie!!!!

Nou teken ek amptelik af vir die aand!!!

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25 Jul 2014 @ 20:19:08 pm
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EK gaan nou die kaas eet.. haha.. Nee Frans, baie laaiers kook die batterye, dis wat stink, dis die waterstof-swael gas wat soos vrot eier ruik, battery kook letterlik met borrels (klein) wat gas veroorsaak.. Baie gevaarlik.

Dis omdat almal dink alle laaiers kan alle batterye reg laai, en alle slim laaiers kan regtig alle batterye reg laai, het ek nuus vir daai gelowiges. AS jy die statistieke kyk, en die dinge wat wel gebeur, gaan jou hare staan van tone tot kop.

Ek sal eers later weer aangaan, batterye kan langdradig word, en min mense verstaan die goed regtig, meeste mense dink hulle weet omdat hul iets erens hoor, selfs baie mense wat batterye verkoop verstaan nie eers die goed nie, hulle is net sales manne.

DIE ANTWOORD OP JOHANN SE VRAAG: Hou maar by dieselfde soort battery, jy sal geld spaar in jou behoefte - eerlike reguit opinie. Ja, deep cycle gaan goed werk, maar nie noodwendig langer of beter in jou spesifieke geval nie.
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26 Jul 2014 @ 00:55:05 am
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Wil amper sê 'n "Deep Cycle Batt" is meer 'n bystands battery. Kan krag lewer soos benodig maar hou langer as 'n gewone battery wanneer dit nie in gebruik is nie.



Expo, kan nou nie jou ook (post) nie, maar dankie vir die goeie inligting.
As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

Die jonge Fransies. (Parys - Frankryk)
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26 Jul 2014 @ 08:19:55 am
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Batterye is vandag 'n groot storie, almal dink alles werk vir alles, maar mense moet eerder die regte battery by sy behoefte pas.

Deep cycles kan vinnig laai, as ek praat van hoe vinnig, sommiges 20 Amp/hr, ander 30 Amp/hr, ander 45 Amp/hr (normale deep cycle 105Ah) en sommiges tot 100Amp/hr vir kort tydjie sonder beskadiging, kort tydjie hang af van watter battery, almal hier is rofweg 100 Ah vergelyk.

Dit beteken nie dit wat jy in die winkels noodwendig sien is die beste nie, onthou dat gewone winkels GROOTMAAT wil verkoop, so die goedkoopste battery teen die laagste pryse om verkope te genereer..

Johann, deep cycle 105 Ah hoef nie R1800 te wees nie, jy kan hulle kry vir rofweg R1000 - R1300 afhangende van watter een. Royal is gewoonlik die goedkoopste, werk redelik, baie mense kry 5 jaar uit hulle vir min tot gemiddelde gebruik.


Die beste batterye is natuurlik jou 15 - 20 jaar leeftyd batterye, kos ook maar geld, maar werklik die beste.

Die storie dat deep cycles stadig laai is sommer omdat die manne die goedkoopste laaimetodes gebruik, of klein laaiertjies - dis storie dat hulle weer verkope van klein laaiertjies kan maak. 105 Ah recommended charge is 12 ure met 15 Amp charger, maar dis nie die maksimum laaistroom nie, jy kan met deltec 105 of enertec 105 40 Amp laai vir uur en half, dan is jy reeds mos nou 60% van battery weer gelaai, en dit is wat in kampsituasies met batterye lekker is, maar vir Johann se kort gebruik, kan hy so 10 - 15 Amp laaier (bystandslaaier) inprop by kamp en dit voorsien sy liggies en and 12 V items, die klein surges wat die mover maak is maar 30 Amp maks, so dis nie te s hy loop heeltyd teen 30 nie.. Vir 5 minute se gebruik het jy nog nie baie uit die battery gevat nie.

Vir manne wat bos toe gaan, ja, daar is dit nou perd van ander kleur, daar wil jy die deep cycle vinnig kan laai naby maks, sodat jy minder tyd spandeer om te laai, en meer tyd geniet waaroor jy nie oor battery moet bekommer nie.

Beste is om sorgvuldig navorsing te doen en nie altyd na almal op forums te luister nie, want meeste goed in hoors, doen navorsing, gaan kyk wie bied jou wat, wie het die nodige kennis om jou te kan help met die regte goed, en neem dan jou besluite oor wat jy wil doen en wat jy wil spandeer, dan is jou keuse ingeligte keuse.

Jy sal vinnig weet wie werklik die werk ken, en wie nie. Wie is net verkope, en weet minimum, en wie gee volledige en korrekte inligting en aanbevelings.
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26 Jul 2014 @ 16:21:57 pm
Anonymous

Pieter, Dankbaar vir die baie goeie verduideliking.

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26 Jul 2014 @ 16:43:53 pm
Anonymous

For some more info I would like to refer you to the Agust WEGRY Magazine...

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26 Jul 2014 @ 17:41:16 pm
Anonymous
Careful what you read in magazines... Again, you can't always trust what you read.. Even in a magazine there are many mistakes and usually just a promotion of some products and services.
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26 Jul 2014 @ 17:55:37 pm
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Pieter, a lot of info thanks. In my situation battery for lights 99% of the time with 220 volt availble for fridge, microwave. Have a 6 amp slimlaaier that is permanently connected. I plan to install a invertor for the 1% when no power and run fridge from that. My vehicle has a 2nd battery and the plan is to run a suitable extention lead which connects to caravan wiring, to help the caravan battery.????
What battery would you suggest for the caravan.
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26 Jul 2014 @ 20:33:14 pm
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Herman,

Om eerlik te wees, jy s self dis omtrent 1% van die tyd wat jy sonder krag staan.

Onthou net, yskaste wat met inverters loop is baie swaarder op krag as 12 V kompressor yskaste. Jy gaan nie lank op een battery kan loop nie, en moet vinnig kan laai as jy herlaai, want dit wat jy insit as jy bv net met klein 6 Amp laaiertjie laai, gaan jy nie byhou nie.

Vir daai 99% van die tyd, los batterye, dis net gewig ens, vat eerder power supply wat ligte en 12V items kan dryf. DIs goedkoopste.

Die dag as jy weet jy gaan paar dae sonder krag wees, koop sommer goedkoop batterye (ja 2 minimum) en vat ook sommer droe ys saam om eerste ruk te help, voor jy weet, het jou droe ys jou gehelp vir dag of 2 en daarna kan die inverter die yskas probeer hardloop en die batterye gaan vinnig afgaan, tensy jy klein sonpaneel bysit om die batterye stadiger te laat afgaan, dit help, maar is nie ideaal vir gereelde boskampeerders nie, maar in jou geval van 1%, koop sommer goedkoop batterye wat jy nie so hartseer oor gaan voel nie, want om jou krag regtig reg te doen vir bosgebruik, gereelde bosgebruik, kos meer as die regte battery en laaistelsels.. Jy moet dit dan ook meer gebruik, dis die ding.

Mens moenie dinge oordoen tensy jy absoluut reg wil wees en die goed gereeld gaan doen nie.
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27 Jul 2014 @ 06:31:41 am
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Ek hoor jou Pieter, ons het seker maar n neiging om voorsiening te maak vir selfs daai 1%.
In my geval het ek n 12v Engel yskassie wat elk geval in voertuig saamkom, dis net daai komkommer wat pap raak, en daar staan die yskas dan nou.

Die karavaan se yskassie was oorspronklik berstel met n Danfoss kompressor wat 12v en 220v werk, en doen self die oorskakeling tussen die twee. Lang storie, was nie gedoen nie, sou sowat
R 5000 wees vir die ombouing. Dalk is dit nog steeds die beter opsie vir lang termyn.
Indien ek my voertuig se spaar battery 105 a/hour, deep cycle, met ext lead aan karavaan vasmaak, sal dit di se battery laai, of eerder, altwee op n gelyk bring.
Bv, ons toer die land in, staanplekke met krag orals, yskassie vol komkommers en slaaikoppe. Engel in kar vol gevriesde tjoppies. En daar het Gobabis nie krag nie, slaap 2 aande oor. Nou wil ek nie nog 2 batterye saamry vir daai 2 aande nie. Wil die karavaan en ekstra in voertuig aanwend, is mos twee.
Die klein laaier is elk geval af, die voertuig sal spaar laai as ons draai ry, dan koppel ek weer ext lead. Klink my dit moet n deap cycle battery in die wa wees.
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27 Jul 2014 @ 09:55:25 am
Anonymous
Mr. EXPO , with all due respect, I assume that a serious camping/ caravanning magazine will not distribute false or misleading information and I have further to assume that the persons writing such articles are experienced and knowledgeable. I also know that many journalists writing about specific fields are either largely experienced, knowledgeable or are technical specialists maybe even working in a particular area in Industry. So, again, with all due respect, who is Mr. EXPO ?
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27 Jul 2014 @ 10:10:13 am
Anonymous

Sorry, the site interrupted me:

Mr. Expo, with all due respect again, what I actually wanted to add is the question why I should believe you and not specific articles in camping magazines, as you are so opposed to magazines.

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27 Jul 2014 @ 11:14:31 am
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Gerd, nice pics from Namibia!!! Give descriptions of pics, the where and whens please.

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27 Jul 2014 @ 15:47:56 pm
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Hi Frans

The pics were taken during my Namibia tour in May.

I did download them in a gallery and  I have no idea how they got here as a signature (I am innocent). 

maybe Mr.Administrator could shed some light on  WHY ??

In any case:

Pic1: Road between Aus and Luederitz +/-40 km before Luederitz.

2: Road from Keetmanshoop to Luederitz +/- 50km out of Keetmanshoop, just over the long Fishriver Bridge.

3,4 &5: Some interesting dunes approx. 25km out of Luederitz 

6: Myself on  Diaz Point at Diaz Bay near Luederitz

7: Naukluft Park on road from Swakop to (just before)Goanikontes.

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27 Jul 2014 @ 16:27:56 pm
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Gerd,

You do not have to believe me, but are you sure the journalists are experts in the field? Really? These articles are all written by experts? Or are they told what to write? Sensitive at this stage..

The biggest joke (article / advertorial) in the same magazines, there was a statement where a certain DC-DC charger was said to do in 1 hour what other dual battery charge systems, ie solenoid systems in that case, do in 8 - 9 hours. Wow! I almost fell on my back 10 times!

Now, if I was to assume a battery is at 20% (discharged 80%) of a 100 Ah battery.

Many solenoid systems in the market start charging at 25 Amp/hr (the really weaker ones), and then you get the really powerful systems running between 35 - 50 Amp /hr. This will taper down, yes, but the average will be around 20 - 22 Amp for the first hour of the 25 Amp max systems, and around 35 Amp for the first hour for the 40 Amp systems.

Now I tell you, in a magazine, that a DC-DC charger of 20 Amp (max) will in 1 hour do what the above systems can do in 8-9 hours? Simple maths.. You are basically saying 20 kg weigh more than 30kg... If that is not false, then I am sorry, who is mr Expo to tell me different? My apologies.

When compared to a weak solenoid system, the DC-DC charger of 20 Amp (assuming it runs at its max the whole time, does not overheat, cut out, or whatever else can happen), can only start to maybe benefit you from the 5th - 8th hour of charging. That was not mentioned - THIS IS A FACT, DO THE MATH?

Starting at 25 Amp charging, which you can get easily around 20 - 22 Amp, in the first hour, you already beat the DC-DC by 2 Amps, sometimes even more, could be 3 - 4 amps, in the first hour, this means that for one hour charging you scored 1 hour fridge time more than with that DC-DC 20 Amo.. Why was that not mentioned? Because they do not know the reality of these systems.

Gerd, the articles are not written by experts, nor engineers, it is journos at the magazine, that probably need to promote someone at some point, if I am wrong, I am sorry. But they usually promote the same old systems all the time from the same shops / companies, and never show the alterantive options available, NEVER. Sometimes the alternative options advertised in the same magazine before, and those were not even mentioned or compared.

I mean, they call a 7 Amp charger a big charger, really? You can charge most deep cycle batteries at 30 - 40 Amp for the first hour anyways.. 7 Amp is big according to who? It is all a matter of perspective, and do I need to share the same perspective as a magazine? Or do I have other information at my disposal, to counter the information in the magazine??

I said above also not to just believe anyone on a forum as well, or what you read - test the theory, and be open to other theories as well, as the book is not going to give you the alternative, there is a marketing purpose to sell certain products from certain shops.. I just don't want you to be blinded by the fat that if something is in an article in the book, that it is the only way of doing things, they might not give totally false information, but they definitely push it into a certain direction.
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27 Jul 2014 @ 16:33:53 pm
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Herman, as jy reeds batterye het, dan is dit ander saak.. Dan is die beste batterye vir jou doel, die batterye wat jy het, want anders moet jy geld spandeer om die regte goed te kry, en weereens, vir daai 1% van die tyd.

Ek kamp self waar daar krag is, altyd, my behoefte is nie om met batterye te kamp nie, want ek het dit nie nodig nie, ja, soms is die krag af vir paar ure, maar daar is gewoonlik nie so behoefte om vleis gevries te hou of so nie, want winkel is gewoonlik naby en koue koeldranke ook.

As jy elke keer bos toe gaan, waar NIKS EN NIEMAND is nie, ja, dan kan ek vir jou ander storie vertel, want dan wil jy nie sukkel nie, veral nie met klein chargers nie, en ook nie met swakker batterye nie. Dan soek jy die regte goed.

Hier is link van tipies iemand wat die regte equipment nodig het in sy toer van 6 maande deur afrika. Hy en sy vrou kuier so al deur afrika en neem fotos en is tans al 3de maand in die ding in, en update hul blog soos hul gaan, ek hoop dis ok, dis nie advertensie nie, dis net vir interessantheid met die huidige gesprek.

http://www.gsin2africa.com

Hierdie ou het die regte equipment wat ander van ons nie nodig het nie, hy het, want dis sy lewenslyn vir 6 maande...
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27 Jul 2014 @ 17:48:18 pm
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Hi Gerd & Exbo

Gerd, Exbo is on the money. Much of what he has posted jogges the memory from reserch made a long time ago, much having been forgotten, most never been needed.

Also, I also tend to take what is said in magazines with a huge dollop of salt, by way of example, I have never, ever seen a review, of a caravan where the "expert" calls junk junk, or gimmicks, a gimmick.

Consequentially, I've long stopped wasting money and buying these magazines..

Problem however, is how does one give advice on a forum? When is too much detail too much?

I've had a fair amount of input on this thread. I am no expert, but I have been successful applying the principals of a particular subject matter, <this being one of them>, and therefore feel happy to pass the information along.

Slightly quicker downhill....
These days a teeny-tiny bit more slightly quicker....
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