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02 Feb 2015 @ 15:30:37 pm
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Hi all. I need advice. I have a 1989 Gypsey 3 which at the moment has 165x13C tyres on. The Gypsey spec sheet for this caravan is for a 185SR13 tyre which is actually a 'car' tyre. If anybody out there has a Gypsey 3 or can advise on which tyre to use, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
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02 Feb 2015 @ 16:19:53 pm
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Ok 13" tyres is a problem.

Try to get " bakkie" tyres. Also make zure that the tyres can handle the weight of the van.

At last !!!!
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02 Feb 2015 @ 16:31:39 pm
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Must be 8 ply tures most people change to 14 tyreslaughing

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02 Feb 2015 @ 16:50:35 pm
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Makes absolutely no difference what type of tyre you use as long as the ratings are ok. ie weight/speed and pressure.

Pump to 3 bar, nothing less and make sure they are newish when buying. Check date of manufacture.

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02 Feb 2015 @ 17:42:57 pm
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No need to go for 14 inch wheels, if you go this route it will require new rims as well as lifting the van so the new bigger wheels can clear the bodywork, maybe too costly?. My Fleetline L has Kumho Radial 857, 165R13 C tyres. These are very very good for their purpose, meant specifically for trailers such as boat trailers and caravans (warning on sidewall not to fit to a car or bakkie, ONLY for trailers). These are a bit expensive, think around R1000 each but google for reviews and you'll see that the Yanks are thrilled with these on their trailers. These tyres have a high load carrying capacity as well. The 185 vs. 165 makes no difference, its all about load carrying capability not width. I keep them at between 3 and 3.5 Bar which is way within their spec and ensures the wheels do not overheat. For stockists you can try Hi-Q or Lombardy's. Hope this helps! (Do NOT use normal car tyres, they cannot carry the load of a caravan)
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03 Feb 2015 @ 10:27:37 am
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Check with you local Dunlop agent. They do a 165R13C for R1150 for the pair. a Mate of mine got some for his caravan a week or two ago.
Its a 8ply commercial so the weight rating is very good.
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03 Feb 2015 @ 10:51:26 am
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Ek het nounet vir my"nuwe" karavaan bande opgesit. Na bietjie huiswerk het ek besluit op Continental "C" vir Commersial en 8 "Ply" - Ondersteun plaaslik manne. Los daai ingevoerde goed. Ek het betaal vir 195R14 "C" R794-00 per band. BTW, balansering, alles ingesluit by Northgate Tyre in Roodepoort (Princess Crossing)

Ek sal fotos van my karavaan plaas wanneer voltooi is.
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03 Feb 2015 @ 11:39:47 am
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Ek het nounet vir my"nuwe" karavaan bande opgesit. Na bietjie huiswerk het ek besluit op Continental "C" vir Commersial en 8 "Ply" - Ondersteun plaaslik manne. Los daai ingevoerde goed. Ek het betaal vir 195R14 "C" R794-00 per band. BTW, balansering, alles ingesluit by Northgate Tyre in Roodepoort (Princess Crossing)

Ek sal fotos van my karavaan plaas wanneer voltooi is.


Ek verkies ook Local maar as dit by 13's kom kan die meeste van die locals jou nie help nie en moet jy maar vir n band gaan wat oorkant van die water kom.
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03 Feb 2015 @ 13:20:11 pm
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Hurricane, I have looked at the 14 inch route. Besides the spacer issue, the 14 inch rim (white steel) that i tried will not work as the dish is to deep and the tyre will catch on the outer side of the wheel well. so for now I have resigned myself to the 13 inch but will still carry on with the homework for the 14 inch. The pricing for the 13 inch commercial tyre is as you say.
Retired Camper, I am also dealing with Johan at Princess crossing on this issue. He has found some tyres 175/80R13C for me.
Dippies, I agree with you about imports as I would also prefer to support local. But in this case for now I do not have an option.
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03 Feb 2015 @ 13:44:51 pm
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You can put on what ever you want just as long its 8ply com tyres i also agree go local if you want to do a claim it is going to be easyyell

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05 Feb 2015 @ 07:55:43 am
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WJ, i agree on the 14 inch and therefore I have tried another option last night, a 14 inch car rim (steel) from a Sentra. The rim fitted perfectly which now means I must solve the tyre size issue and fit the spacer if required. Seems as if the Sentra, Golf and Opel have the same rim PCD. So I have a selection of mag wheels that I can look for at a scrap yard. If I cannot obtain a mag wheel, I will have to go the steel rim way.
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05 Feb 2015 @ 10:08:52 am
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Ronald, make sure if there is enough space between the tyre and wheel arch. I bought nice mags for my "new" caravan at Solly's mag & tyre in Krugersdorp for R800 each VAT included. Mags on a scrapyard belong there. Don't take that risk. They might buckle and have hairline cracks not noticeable.... etc.
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05 Feb 2015 @ 10:55:45 am
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Onthou net om na die offset van die rim ook te kyk.
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05 Feb 2015 @ 11:25:25 am
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Onthou net om na die offset van die rim ook te kyk.


Is ek reg as ek se dit moet in die middel van die rim sit?
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05 Feb 2015 @ 12:08:12 pm
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RD jy kan by trailco n 14' wit rim koop wat presies sal pas op die karavaan met die regte ofset vir so om en by R250 n rim.

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05 Feb 2015 @ 13:45:44 pm
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Is ek reg as ek se dit moet in die middel van die rim sit?


Meeste karavane kom met n 0 of n positive offset. jy moet maar kyk want dit kan maar dat jy dalk b bietjie breer bank kan pas(kan maak dat wiel nader aan karavaan of nader aan buitkant hardloop. Dit is hoogs onwaarskynlik dat jy met n negatiewe offset sal regkom. Ek het my offset groter maak toe ek rims gekry het wat my spasie na die karavaan kant het dit toe gelaat en so dus het ek n breeer band op gesit.
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05 Feb 2015 @ 14:56:22 pm
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Dankie vir jou info. Ek het hom so.
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05 Feb 2015 @ 16:29:58 pm
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Golf Mags soos op my Kamp en Visvang S/wa met 'n spacer gaan netjies lyk op daai Gypsey3.

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05 Feb 2015 @ 16:30:28 pm
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En hulle is 14" wiele.

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09 Feb 2015 @ 08:07:01 am
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Retired camper and Leon, thanks for the advice. I thought about what you said (scrap yard) and bought a new set of 14 inch Golf mags on Saturday from Tiger Wheel and Tyre. Cost R700-00 each. They fit perfectly. Now for the tyres!!and the spacer option!!
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09 Feb 2015 @ 08:34:38 am
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Rims with spacer add strain to wheel bearings be carefull.

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09 Feb 2015 @ 10:04:14 am
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Nico, not sure if people are aware of the spacer issue, I should have explained it. Anyhow, the spacer is a steel block that you fit between the caravan axle and the chasis to raise the caravan slightly for more top clearance to accommadate bigger tyres. As far as I know, you can buy them from the caravan leisure store. Anyway, my friend has a set for me if I need them. This conversion will improve the towball height as well as i am currently using a 6 hole drop plate.
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23 Feb 2015 @ 07:57:51 am
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The conversion from 13 to 14 inch rims and tyres on my caravan is now implemented and I am very happy with the results. I placed the block between the caravan axle and chasis for that bit of extra top clearance (bought longer bolts and new locknuts from Kennis for the block fitment). The tyres installed on the mags are Dunlop 185R14C ply. Thank you to all for their input into this conversion.
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23 Feb 2015 @ 17:58:01 pm
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Geniet jou karavaan Ronald. Ek is bly jy het reggekom.
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24 Feb 2015 @ 08:04:45 am
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Ronald please give us some pics to see the end result. Specially the way you implemented the spacer to lift the caravan.

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24 Feb 2015 @ 13:13:53 pm
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Leon, I will only be able to do that for you the weekend 7th March as I am away this weekend. I have to jack the caravan and take the wheel off to get a nice photo of the spacer for you. If I can do it sooner, I will.
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10 Mar 2015 @ 13:07:01 pm
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Leon, I have taken a photo. I will download it when I have time. Just a little busy playing catch up at work at the moment.
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10 Mar 2015 @ 13:14:35 pm
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Ronald thanx for the trouble. It would be very helpfull to see how you did the spacing.

Standing by for your pic's.

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10 Mar 2015 @ 15:21:52 pm
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Leon, I spoke to admin as I am having a slight problem downloading the photos (works computer)and my inexperience with computers. Apologies for that.
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11 Mar 2015 @ 07:09:23 am
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No problem. No rush. As far as I know my email is available here somewhere. You can mail it to me as well.

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11 Mar 2015 @ 09:18:21 am
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Spacer 1
Spacer 2

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11 Mar 2015 @ 09:57:51 am
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Leon, with the help of Sean at Caravan Parks office, hence the photos above. Thanks Sean. As you can see from the pictures above the spacer block that is installed between the caravans axle and chasis. This is a solid block of steel.
When you install the block, you need to replace the bolts with longer bolts and a good idea to replace the locknuts as well.
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11 Mar 2015 @ 10:43:59 am
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To make this process easier, I used two trolley jacks. One under the axle and the other the caravan chasis close to the point of the axle attachment. Make sure that you have enough side clearance on the caravan as this process tilts the caravan over quite a bit. The new 14" tyres now has enough clearance at the top of the wheel well. The side clearance after fitment of the new tyres was not a problem (this also depends on the rim type that you install).
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11 Mar 2015 @ 12:01:18 pm
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Mooi so Ronald

Neem nou 'n foto van die karavaan se sy kant met die nuwe 14" en kyk of jy een het met die ou rims dan kan jy die twee saam sien en dit sal die veranderings beter wys.

Oppad na die volgende kamp.
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11 Mar 2015 @ 13:09:57 pm
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WilSur, not sure if I have a photo with the old wheels on, I will have to look. Otherwise I will take a photo with the old rim on (but with the spacer in place) and then a photo with the new rim and tyres. I will also take a photo with the 13 and 14" side by side. I was surprised that there is quite a difference here. I still have to adjust the towball height. luckily I have room as it is mounted on the bottom holes of the 6 hole drop plate.
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11 Mar 2015 @ 14:06:53 pm
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Ronald

Might I ask why you used solid pieces and what the dimensions are ? I am just thinking of the weight? As a 57 x 51 Taper flange Channel would easily have carried the weight and they weigh about a third. None the less its a job well done. My caravan( the old jurgens) has the axle that is connected to the leave springs and was obviously easier to lift as only required flatbar extentions which I had lying around.

Cheers to not having to struggle to find replacement 13C tyres in the future.
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11 Mar 2015 @ 15:21:15 pm
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Dippies, I also questioned as to why solid pieces are used. I did weigh them before installation and both combined weigh approx. 5kg's. Anyway, these spacers are available at Kennis Caravans in their solid form. My friend modified his Expo as well with the spacer and 14" wheels. His spacers are also solid! We are both happy with the results. Thanks for the complement. I agree on the 13" issue!! This was one of my main reasons for changing the tyre size as well as the deteriorating road conditions with which the 14" tyres in my opinion will cope better.
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16 Mar 2015 @ 13:36:57 pm
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16 Mar 2015 @ 13:46:54 pm
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Mooi man

Oppad na die volgende kamp.
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16 Mar 2015 @ 13:53:18 pm
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Nou verstaan ek ook. Dit lyk baie goed. die spacers waarvan ek gepraat het is tussen rim en hub. maar daai spacer tussen as en onderstel is niks fout mee nie maak net seker jy het die regte graad boude gebruik.

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16 Mar 2015 @ 15:04:34 pm
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Apologise, I am very busy at the moment and I will do the explanation at home tonight regarding the modification. Thanks again to Sean from Caravan Parks for posting the photo's for me.
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16 Mar 2015 @ 20:12:13 pm
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First photo: caravan standing on it's new 14" wheels.
2nd photo: size difference between 13" and 14" tyres
3rd photo: clearance between 13" tyre and caravan chasis
4th photo: clearance between 14" tyre and caravan chasis
Nico, I bought new (slightly longer) bolts with the rims. I have placed a 3mm spacer between the rim and hub for a little more clearance between the rim and the axle arm. The new rims do have spigot rings installed which fit perfectly on the axle. With this spacer the new rim is positioned almost where the old rim was. The tyre side clearance in the wheel well is almost the same on both sides with the new rims installed.
I will advise on the towing experience when we return from TO.
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14 Apr 2015 @ 08:01:38 am
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Ek het die draad gesoek en moet jou bedank vir die fotos Ronald. 

Ek sou graag die Classique ook so gelig het. Maar dan moet ek die montasie van die Mover heeltemal verander.

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14 Apr 2015 @ 08:26:09 am
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Thanks RD for this tread. Do you think it will be wise for the solid bar to go the full length of the chassis that is available between the two cross sections for better distribution of weight of caravan onto the axle bracket?
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14 Apr 2015 @ 13:17:52 pm
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Leon, it is a pleasure.
Franki T, I was at Kennis and looked at a similar modification where they also installed these same spacer blocks. So I would think that this would be sufficient for the load distribution if I am understanding you correctly. The biggest change is the height of the caravan because of the spacer block and the 14" wheels.
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29 Apr 2015 @ 14:09:46 pm
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I bought a 96' Fleetline L 2 weeks ago(my first). It came with 4 hole 13" rims shod with Kumho 165/13C tyres. Looking underneath the van I can see that it has a fairly new axle with Loftus Caravans painted on it. I'm assuming that this axle was replaced and the original axle had a 5 bolt pattern and possibly 14" rims. I had a look at other 2nd hand vans of more or less the same age (Penta) and it had the 5 bolt 14" rims on. The clearance in the wheel arch is obviously less on that Penta than it is on mine so I'm guessing that a straight swap to 14" rims should be OK.

My other question is: how much suspension travel or movement do you get on these type of axles?
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30 Apr 2015 @ 07:49:23 am
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Hi Pieter, welcome to the forum. I would say that the suspension travel depends on the condition of the rubbers in the axle. I installed the new wheels first to check the clearance between the wheel and the top of the caravans wheel arch (caravan standing on its wheels). The clearance was two fingers. I went to check the clearance on a new caravan and it was four fingers. After installation of the spacer between the caravans chasis and axle, the clearance is now four fingers.
Pieter, not sure which rims should be installed on your Jurgens, I would check with your nearest caravan dealer as to what rims it came out with as standard.
14" is definitely the way to go.
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30 Apr 2015 @ 19:07:50 pm
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Thanks RD. I'll check the clearance on my current setup and factor in the difference in new tyre size. The bottom line will be be to end up with four fingers worth of clearance.

I also agree with the view that a 14" rim is the way to go. I just believe that it will handle a pothole a bit better and also leave you with a little bit more of a safety margin on a one ton plus van.
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04 May 2015 @ 12:19:39 pm
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Ek het nou net Alko gebel. R326 vir 'n 14" wit staal rim.
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04 May 2015 @ 13:19:08 pm
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Pieter, you must first check to see if the white rim fits in the wheel well when fastened to the axle that the tyre does not rub in the wheel well. On my caravan it did not fit. The dish on the white rim is too deep and that is why I installed the mag wheels. If you know of somebody who has one, do a trial fit first.
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05 May 2015 @ 19:10:55 pm
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The guy at Alko said I should bring the 13" rim and we can see how the offset differ between the 2 sets. I agree that I need a testfit as I know that I don't have a problem with the height but that the offset or width might be the issue.
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