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04 Dec 2019 @ 17:31:13 pm
Paddyandpaul
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When i was a youngster in 1960s my parents had a Jurgens caravan that had lights , fridge and stove piped up for gas and very few parks had electricity at individual sites, and we could camp for weeks without electricity.

Today we can and often do camp with out electricity but only can do so for about 5 days comfortably.

Who of you are set up with battery back up or gas to camp for a week or more?

 

 

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04 Dec 2019 @ 18:07:36 pm
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Nee....ek moet krag hê. As n plek nie krag het nie, sal ek maksimum 1x nag daar oornag, maar dan sommer net in n tent....dit sal vir my sinneloos wees om my wa saam te sleep na so n plek as ek niks van hom kan gebruik nie....ligte, Snappy chef, ketel, yskas.....wat van ablusies sonder ligte en krag?  Ek het n padwa....so daar is nie eintlik veel oorde sonder krag waarvan ek weet nie. Met boswa wat jy in die bundu's in kan ry sal daar seker meer kampe wees sonder daai geriewe

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04 Dec 2019 @ 18:30:06 pm
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As daar nie elektrisiteit is kan ek maar op pak en huis toe gaan

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04 Dec 2019 @ 18:57:30 pm
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I have a Jurgens Exclusive with gas/220V fridge, a gas stove and separate 42 l gas/220V freezer.  Our 12V LED lights and water pump are powered by a 102Ah battery.  The battery is "topped up" daily from our vehicle.  We also have a small 300W inverter to charge our cellphones, laptop and camera battteries.

We have no limitation on a period camping like this, on condition we travel with our vehicle daily to keep its battery in good shape.  In Kruger National Park we camp in two no-power-camps, 5 days each without any problems.

 

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04 Dec 2019 @ 19:15:30 pm
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When i was a youngster in 1960s my parents had a Jurgens caravan that had lights , fridge and stove piped up for gas and very few parks had electricity at individual sites, and we could camp for weeks without electricity.

Today we can and often do camp with out electricity but only can do so for about 5 days comfortably.

Who of you are set up with battery back up or gas to camp for a week or more?

 

 

I have National Luna battery box with 105Ah battery with 2x50w solar panels, Victron MPPT charge controller. 

With my setup, I easily run , the 12v fridge ( fridge only , not freezer) , lumeno lights ( very energy efficient).

I camp anywhere at anytime.  

 

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04 Dec 2019 @ 19:43:35 pm
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I don't think my good lady would agree to try and see how long we could go. The only thing we would have to have electricity for is the fridge, we have everything else covered.

We have  a Colemans rechargeable 12 volt battery lamp, One small GaZ gas lamp with spare gas canisters.    For food prep, We have a gas stove in a carry case with spare gas canister, Cadac gas bottle with stove top, a gas Braai, and a  made up "Fire"  braaing kit with fire lighters and several Gas lighters. 

For food storage we have two cooler bags but would need to buy dry ice before a trip, as a backup we carry a limited stock of tinned meat and fish.

Yes!!! I recon we could get by.

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04 Dec 2019 @ 19:44:45 pm
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Lennie do you have gas permanently piped up to your fridge and stove? When you say you top up the battery daily with the car, how long do you have to run it?
Our friends have a fridge in their vehicle and a second deep cycle battery. It lasts 3 days then they have to take the car on at least a half hour drive to top the battery up.
I would love a gas fridge rather than a 220v fridge we have in our Skipper, but we only bought the Skipper in April and there are no further funds for one as they are rather expensive, and being a pensioner there are not going to be funds in the future for one.
We have to keep our stay down to 5 days where a hebcooler does the job at camp sites without electricity.
Brian wish i could eat tinned meat , but the army and bully beef on the border put paid to that for me. Could do tinned ham and tuna though.
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04 Dec 2019 @ 20:18:36 pm
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Yes, our van is originally piped up for the gas fridge and stove.  The daily drop in voltage in the caravan battery is very slim as we only have LED lights.  I have a Voltage Sensitive Relay (built by Brommer) in the car that cuts of the car's power to the freezer plug in the luggage compartment (while travelling) when we stop somewhere  -  this ensures that the car's battery will not drop too low to start it again.  At our no-power destination our freezer operates on gas and I use this same plug in the car with a lead to the caravan's battery. After about one hour, it switches off automatically leaving sufficient power to start the car the following morning.  If this is done daily, the caravan's battery is kept topped quite well.

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04 Dec 2019 @ 20:25:05 pm
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Paul,  I suppose it sounds a bit weird but I love Corned Meat, Sardines, Pilchards etc. also Baked beans. Sweet corn, Tinned Peas, Tinned fruit, Dry fruit and the big one Biltong and dry Wors.  Eggs which can be kept fresh for weeks in salt are always a good backup.

Man the list just goes on and on. Buuuuuuut !!!!!! I still like my fridge.

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04 Dec 2019 @ 20:29:21 pm
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I have solar panels, but haven’t tested them to the limit. Have a four night stay at Balule in the KNP early May next year. Hopefully the battery will last...?

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04 Dec 2019 @ 20:41:07 pm
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Alles wat in die xplorer was is net so oorgedra na die Classique.

Die dubbel deur snowmaster ry agter in die Fortuner saam.

Dis nog net die wa se yskas en geyser wat Februarie n inverter inkry.

Verder is die ligte op battery.

Kook buite op gas of vuur.

 

As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

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04 Dec 2019 @ 20:58:43 pm
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Ek het genoeg beligting, gasstoof en 'n braai om reg te kom. My yskas is ongelukkig net 220v, maar 'n gas yskas is op my shopping lys.  

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04 Dec 2019 @ 21:54:54 pm
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Jin is your Snowmaster in the fortuner run on a second deep cycle battery and how long does it last before you have to run the car and recharge? My friends battery in his Pajero is brand new and he only gets 3 days.
Brian i would not be able to keep down half the tinned stuff you like. Tinned pilchards are a definate no no.
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04 Dec 2019 @ 22:37:44 pm
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No 220v no problem with the Dethleffs, wired for 12V LED lights and piped for gas all we need is water 

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05 Dec 2019 @ 05:46:14 am
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Jin is your Snowmaster in the fortuner run on a second deep cycle battery and how long does it last before you have to run the car and recharge? My friends battery in his Pajero is brand new and he only gets 3 days.
Brian i would not be able to keep down half the tinned stuff you like. Tinned pilchards are a definate no no.

Nee hy gebruik die Fortuner se battery tans.

Februarie sal ek n ekstra battery insit.

Nog nie nodig gehad om hom lank te gebruik nie, sit op krag by staanplek. Het hom al getoets dat hy drie dae aan is voor die kar se alarm aangaan dan die yskas sin.

Dan sit die yskas af op 2vlt.

Kar start nog met sy beskermer.

 

 

 

As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

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05 Dec 2019 @ 07:10:34 am
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The only part of the Maia that runs solely of 220V is the large fridge.  The lights, water pump, of the 12V supply and the geyser by either 220V or Gas.

So when I need to go of grid I use the small 40Liter Engel fridge. I Have 2x 80Watt foldable solar panels with controler.

I must still test the use of the latter to see if it will charge the battery to run the Engel fridge and for how long.

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05 Dec 2019 @ 11:45:01 am
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Was in Swaziland vir 7 nagte sonder krag.

Het December 2018 Richtersveld en Namibia getoer. Was vir 14 dae sonder krag.

Alles gedoen met gas stoof (gas geyser ) en twee solar panele (een 120 W gemonteer op die karavaan se dak en een 80w wat ek rondskuif op die grond agter die son aan) en twee 105 A/h batterye. 

Het nooit uit krag gehardloop vir die ligte,  90l NL yskys en vroulief se 12v haardroer.  

 

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05 Dec 2019 @ 12:09:05 pm
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Die Rapier het n 140 W sonpaneel op die dak wat die batterye van die wa trek as daar nie krag is nie, alles in die wa is 12 volt behalwe die yskassie, hy is of gas of 220 v, het nog nooit gas gebruik nie..., maar ek weet hy werk.

Moenie my vra hoe dit werk nie want iemand het dit vir my so geinstalleer.

As ons regtig moet gaan staan sonder krag sal ons oraait wees want die Toy het n ekstra battery wat die Luna kan trek en die ligte sal altyd brand in die wa.

Ons maak kos op gas of ons braai.

Vat vas manne!!!!
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05 Dec 2019 @ 12:38:30 pm
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Die Classique het n een plaat stofie binne. Hy is toegeplak en uitgepluk dat hy nie kan werk nie.

Sal hom later uithaal en vir buite gebruik.

Maak buite kos gaar nie indie wa nie.

 

 

As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

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05 Dec 2019 @ 13:46:28 pm
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Ek sal maar sukkel sonder krag wanneer ons met die karavaan toer. Maar met die Metalian staan en toer ons maklik vir vier weke sonder krag, soos in Botswana. Ek het nog nooit sonpanele oorweeg nie, my Fortuner is een van die bitter min voertuie wat DRIE battery onder die engine-kap kan vat. (My 1984 Land Cruiser kon dit ook doen.) Ek sit nooit sonder ys of koue drinks nie. Ek het twee yskaste in die Fortuner en vier batterye (die klein tipe wat aan jou huis se alarm gekoppel is) in die Metalian. Die Metalian het TWAALF LED-ligte en 'n waterpomp en ons was nog nooit "droog" nie.

Met ander woord : ons kan maklik met die boswa toer sonder krag, maar wanneer ons wel krag het is dit lekker om gou die batterye bietjie te laai. 

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05 Dec 2019 @ 13:48:31 pm
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Have traveled up to a month without power in the camper and could probably continue indefinitely. 2 X 115 Ah Discovery deep cycle batteries in Camper. One 105 Ah deep cycle battery in Campervan to run the electrics. All lighting is 12 V LED's, the fridge/freezers are 12 V/220 V, but we do have a kettle and an induction cooker, for when there is Power available. The rest we use wood & gas - mostly wood fires, but have two old bags of charcoal as back-up - never used.  

Camper has 95 L N/L fridge/freezer. Freezer runs at -15 and fridge at 0.  Charged with 2 X 80 W Solar panels & Victron MPPT charge controller and Solenoid System. Soler panels are static on roof and not moved. When over landing we seldom stay in any given town, so keep our efforts to bush camping.

Campervan has 90 L fridge/freezer which runs at same temperatures. 200 W Solar Panel with unknown charge controller. Campervan only used when overstaying our welcome at any given place - long term camping, not over landing...

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05 Dec 2019 @ 15:12:44 pm
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Ek dink nou net daaraan. dit is darem ironies dat die vooruitgang van tegnologie eintlik kampering moeiliker gemaak het in stede van makliker. Toe ons as kinders gekamp het was al jou karavane toegerus vir offgrid kampering. 3 Way fridge wat soos 'n bom gewerk het, ingeboude gasstoof en jou ligte  op die karavaan se 12 volt battery of met gaslampe. Gestop, gekamp en dit was dit.  Nie met panele agter die son aanhardloop, sit en metertjies dophou om nie batterye pap te trek, ens. nie. 'n Deel van die lekker van kampering het eintlik verlore gegaan. 

 

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05 Dec 2019 @ 19:28:57 pm
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Riaan , ek moet maar saam stem,  the " KISS" is out of camping.

  "Keep  It Simple Stuiped."

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06 Dec 2019 @ 00:52:00 am
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Ek dink nou net daaraan. dit is darem ironies dat die vooruitgang van tegnologie eintlik kampering moeiliker gemaak het in stede van makliker. Toe ons as kinders gekamp het was al jou karavane toegerus vir offgrid kampering. 3 Way fridge wat soos 'n bom gewerk het, ingeboude gasstoof en jou ligte  op die karavaan se 12 volt battery of met gaslampe. Gestop, gekamp en dit was dit.  Nie met panele agter die son aanhardloop, sit en metertjies dophou om nie batterye pap te trek, ens. nie. 'n Deel van die lekker van kampering het eintlik verlore gegaan. 

 

Geriewe word minder soos yskas net 1way, soos my Sprite geen battery vir ligte, gas stoof en bottel nie meer daar, maar waens word jaarliks swaarder?

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06 Dec 2019 @ 06:26:52 am
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Ek dink die meeste mense wat "off the grid" kan gaan verkies tog maar geriewe as dit moontlik is. Goeie voorbeeld was toe ons so 2 jaar terug met n FB groep by Mbizi was. Die hoofkamp met die luukste fasiliteite was 100% vol bespreek gewees. Dan die boskamp wat hul het met minder luukse fasiliteite maar tog krag en water was so 60% vol bespreek gewees. Dan het hulle n "off the grid kamp" waar jy basies net n kraan in die kamp het vir water....geen krag - hierdie kamp het niemand gekamp nie. Daar was egter heelwat manne met offroad boswaens en karavane met solar panele en ander off-the-grid gadgets gewees, maar niemand het dit gebruik nie, almal het krag kabels ingeprop gehad in oord se krag en al die meer luukse fasiliteite van die oord gebruik. Meeste waens met 100% off-the-grid fasiliteite het in die hoofkamp bespreek met die luukse fasiliteite, nie eers die boskamp nie. So dit wil tog voorkom of meeste kampeerders tog maar hou van gerief en luuksigheid?

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06 Dec 2019 @ 07:05:34 am
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Ek het soveel spasie bo op die dak van die Maia dat ek seker sal kan regkom met solar panele baterye en inverter om die 220V yskas te kan werk.

Het dit nie tans nodig nie.

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06 Dec 2019 @ 07:25:54 am
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Geert, dis soos jy verduidelik hier hierbo. Die kamp is 100% vol waar daar krag is. Ek beskryf dit as wall-to-wall people. Waar daar nie krag is nie is daar minder mense.  Dit is omdat ons almal ons redes het hoekom ons kamp. Party hou van die gewoel en will die kinders besig hou en ander soek weer rustigheid en stilte om die natuur te geniet. 

As ek na plekke gaan waar daar krag is sal ek dit natuurlik gebruik. Maar, meeste van die tyd verkies ek en vroulief die rustigheid. Ons het al n paar keer by Letaba langs die draad kamp op geslaan waar daar nie krag is nie en elke keer het mense langs ons kom opslaan wat ook die rustigheid soek. Dan kuier ons almal lekker saam.

Die "off the grid" gadgets maak dit moontlik om na meer plekke toe te gaan. Ons ander gunsteling plekke is Balule, Tsendze,  Richterveld en Namaqua NP en as jy die plekke wil  besoek gaan jy moet tevrede wees sonder krag. 

Vir die van julle wat weggaan - Happy camping vir almal van julle oor Desembercool

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06 Dec 2019 @ 07:57:23 am
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Ek het 'n 200 W sonpaneel wat ek kan rondskuif en een 80 W wat op die karavaan se dak is, dan het ek 'n 105 Ah in die karavaan en 'n NL batterypak, met 105Ah, wat in die bakkie is. My controller is 'n Victron Bluesolar MPPT 75/15. Ek hardloop nie uit krag uit nie ongeag die tydperk.

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06 Dec 2019 @ 09:44:38 am
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Ek dink die meeste mense wat "off the grid" kan gaan verkies tog maar geriewe as dit moontlik is. Goeie voorbeeld was toe ons so 2 jaar terug met n FB groep by Mbizi was. Die hoofkamp met die luukste fasiliteite was 100% vol bespreek gewees. Dan die boskamp wat hul het met minder luukse fasiliteite maar tog krag en water was so 60% vol bespreek gewees. Dan het hulle n "off the grid kamp" waar jy basies net n kraan in die kamp het vir water....geen krag - hierdie kamp het niemand gekamp nie. Daar was egter heelwat manne met offroad boswaens en karavane met solar panele en ander off-the-grid gadgets gewees, maar niemand het dit gebruik nie, almal het krag kabels ingeprop gehad in oord se krag en al die meer luukse fasiliteite van die oord gebruik. Meeste waens met 100% off-the-grid fasiliteite het in die hoofkamp bespreek met die luukse fasiliteite, nie eers die boskamp nie. So dit wil tog voorkom of meeste kampeerders tog maar hou van gerief en luuksigheid?

Geert, dis 100% waar wat jy se.

Ek dink die groot rede hoekom ek krag gebruik waar dit beskikbaar is, is:

Jou batterye en goed wat jou van die grid af hou is baie duur. Meeste van ons weet, dat 'n battery net soveel sikluse het, dan is hy kaput. Een aand sonder krag is een siklus. Gebruik dus die krag waar dit beskikbaar is, wat jou dan in staat sou stel, om die batterye te gebruik, waar daar geen krag is nie. Ons gaan 'n maand in Namibia deurbring, in Mei, 2020. In daai tydperk sal ons omtrent 5 dae krag in die kamp het. Baie dae is boskamp op die vlak waar daar geen fasiliteite is nie. Waar daar grag is gebruik ons dit, maar ons gebruik ook nie luikse staanplekke, waar daar minder luikse staanplekke is, ons vat die minder luiks wat krag het...

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06 Dec 2019 @ 11:45:28 am
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My ou Sprite Escape 2 karavaan is nog in puik toestand en ook  toegerus met 2 plaat gasstofie, 220 v/ gas yskas en 12v ligte. Ek kon op n stadium net n staanplek sonder krag kry by Bontebok Nas Park by Swellendam. Die staanplekke met krag was almal geneem. So dit was nie vir my n probleem nie, somtyds nog lekker om op gas te kamp...... Ek kamp te min off grid om solar panels ens aan te skaf. Ons kamp volg naweek by Trekoskraal (weskus) waar geen geriewe is nie, en sal dan maar my ou Edesa yskassie wat op gas werk saamvat. Hys nou wel nie so effektief soos my N Luna nie, maar help darem.

Ek het navraag gedoen oor droe ys, maar vervaardiger se n 1.2 kg blok sal vleis net 3 dae gevries kan hou, dan vat ek maar liewer my Coleman extreme saam.

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06 Dec 2019 @ 11:49:49 am
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weet iemand dalk as ek die 12v neon dak liggies wil vervang met led's of dit die moeite werd is en of daar enige veranderings aangebring moet word.

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06 Dec 2019 @ 17:54:03 pm
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Ons kamp gereeld "off the grid" met my Sherpa Tiny. Ek gebruik 'n 100W solar panel, battery box met 'n 102ah Deep cycle battery en 'n "ek kan nie nou by die naam kom nie" charge controller. Ek vries al ons "perishables" by die huis en stel die Luna op -5 grade celsius. Ek gebruik 'n "portable solar system" stelsel wat ek by Tafelberg Meubeleerders gekoop het. Bedags word die deep cycle battery en die ligte gelaai en saans in die Sherpa en onder die gazebo gebruik. Ons het December 2018 vir 3 dae sonder probleme by Anysberg gekamp.

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06 Dec 2019 @ 18:34:57 pm
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Wish gas fridge, stove and lights were still standard with caravans and tent trailers.I suppose safety became a thing why it changed but i never heard of caravans burning down or people being gassed, but we never had internet in the old days so news of those things probably never circulated.
A gas /220v fridge only would be fine with me, so perhaps will have to try save or sell something to afford one. All the rest like gas stove and portable chargeable lights is fine. The rest of the time i would use electricity where available, you no longer pay extra for electricity like you used to in the past. Wonder who remembers that.
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06 Dec 2019 @ 19:29:22 pm
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Frans, om die 12 V ligte met LED's te vervang is maklik en sterk aan te bevele.  Daar is verskeie drade hieroor op die Forum- soek gerus.

Dit sal vir ons bietjie moeilik wees om sonder krag te kampeer- vir 'n aand of twee sal dit OK wees, maar die bewaring van bederfbare voedsel sal 'n probleem raak.  Ek sal ook nie aanpassings oorweeg nie as gevolg van die koste en omdat ons tipe uitkamp maar nog net tweemaal in die meer as dertig jaar in kampe sonder krag was, dink ek ook nie dit is nodig nie. Ligte en kook is nie 'n probleem nie- om voedsel koud te hou wel, maar daarvoor sal 'n goeie koelhouer seker vir 'n dag of twee voldoende wees- as ons ooit so-iets wil doen.  Die Oyster is redelik goed op grondpaaie ek sal hom nie graag op rowwe paaie wil neem wat waarskynlik die geval sal wees waar daar nie krag is nie.  Die tweemaal wat ons sonder krag gekampeer het, het ons 'n yskas wat ook met gas gewerk het, gehad, so dit was nie 'n probleem nie en die paaie was ook nie besonder moeilik vir die padwa nie.

Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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06 Dec 2019 @ 21:06:55 pm
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With all the load shedding we are hearing of, we may soon have to put all our camping resources to the test.

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07 Dec 2019 @ 16:38:39 pm
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Well at first I was not set up to camp without electricity.. But now is a different story...

First I realized my camping power needs are not the same as the usual "off the grid" camper.. I have 220V fridge, LED lights, computer (laptops x2), coffee machine, microwave, all we actually use during camping..

Now I made a calculation on my setup and calculated my requirement of solar for standing indefinitely with provision that there is sunshine each day.. I calculated for my caravan and load I need 800W of solar panels..

So, I took off with the 8 panels and went to Mahai where we spent a week before going to the coast (got stand without power).. I successfully managed the time there to survive off the grid, packing out 8x 100W panels charging 3x 100Ah AGM solar batteries...

I made it, each morning at 6AM the inverter would beep due to low battery.. This was because of my fridge drawing too much power from the 2500W inverter. BUT, during the day, I reached "fully" charged capacity at around 15:00 and then the sun would be at the tip of the mountains, and from there I had to rely on battery power through the night..

We used power as if we camped with electricity. We used the microwave, the kids watched their movies at night, the snappy chef did its work when we were cooking and for morning breakfasts, my wife made us coffee each morning, we used the microwave for pop corn and heating foods etc. We used lights, our fridge was running non-stop.

For normal off the grid campers, it is quite easy to do. Their fridges are low energy consumption camping fridges, their lighting requirements are minimal and the rest is really just enjoying the outdoors.

So in total we had 2 weeks without power... We managed, the last few days in the mountains during the 2nd week we had rainy days.. We had minimal solar power charging (about 10-30% of solar capacity) and the rest I had to manage with the vehicle alternator....

This year, I changed all that.

I bought me a decent Hisense fridge/freezer which is much better rated at energy consumption.. There 70% of my power needs of last year are saved. 

Now I am only going to use 2x 100Ah AGM solar batteries, and 4x solar panels of 100W each. I still have my 2500W inverter (which I want to change to 3000W soon)..

We are opting for some nice fishing spots where there will be no power, and visiting other places as well, but even if there is power, load shedding is a reality and even power dips and outages at these little places where there are an influx of people power outages are also expected. 

So, yes, I am rigged, my caravan does not need eskom anymore at all. As long as I have sunshine, I can charge batteries with solar panels. If I get cloudy days, I still have some power from solar but my car can also assist to boost the batteries. I need one hour charging with the car to give me the next 10hours power usage.. Which is acceptable to me.

 

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07 Dec 2019 @ 17:39:08 pm
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Brommer is your new Hisense fridge a bar fridge and not a full fridge. Do you know what power (watts) it draws. The solar panels and inverter may be an option than changing to gas fridge some time in the future. Need to do the arithmetics to work out the cost comparison.Only worried about powering a bar fridge and nothing else initially. As I age things may change.
 
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07 Dec 2019 @ 23:58:41 pm
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Brommer is your new Hisense fridge a bar fridge and not a full fridge. Do you know what power (watts) it draws. The solar panels and inverter may be an option than changing to gas fridge some time in the future. Need to do the arithmetics to work out the cost comparison.Only worried about powering a bar fridge and nothing else initially. As I age things may change.
 

The new Hisense I bought is bigger than a bar fridge.. I bought a Hisense bar fridge as well.. The bar fridge I believe is only 100litre while this is supposedly 200-230litre.. So it is actually much larger, although I think 176Litre is more accurate, I think. It has a small freezer compartment at the top, but bigger than the bar fridge, I believe double the size...

Anyways, the watts it draws per hour is low, very low.. I have to go look at the tests again, I used a bar fridge Hisense unit for a short while and the average usage per night was less than 24Ah... I cant remember the exact usage but I think the bigger one is about 30-40Ah per night when started but once cold it will be better. It is rated A+ energy rating.

The thing for me was to have the power I wanted, for hair dryer, microwave, fridge, etc. So I had to change my fridge. The Fridge was about R4000.00, but I made a different bracket with slider so I can clean behind the fridge and install battery below the fridge.

I build my own solar products for the off-road market and also home and commercial systems hence I know what I do regarding solar and batteries etc. 

My suggestion to you would be to look at fridges you can find that easily fits in the space you have, then look at the best energy rated unit you can get. The better the rating, the less cost at battery and solar side. Sometimes it is cheaper to buy the new fridge and smaller solar system than buying a solar system to match the old fridge.........

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08 Dec 2019 @ 10:01:04 am
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Paul, Just keep something in mind, a fact that Danie SLK pointed out to me a while ago.  Although my fridge is rated at 110W, at startup it uses several times this power for a second or two, if I remember about 4 or five times as much- it might even be more (perhaps Danie can again enlighten us?). So if you do use an inverter, keep that in mind or you might blow the unit the first time you use it if it is too light.

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08 Dec 2019 @ 10:14:28 am
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Brommer will try and see if i can see the nameplate of the fridge to find what it draws. It is a bar fridge with a small freezer compartment and is new as we only bought the Skipper in April. Sure Rinehardt from Skipper will be able to tell me as it's what they install in all their Skippers.
Fred I hear what you say about start up current. Actually do not know of a firm that does inverters with batteries and solar panels here in Durban. There is an Offroad equipment supplier here in Hillcrest who probably supply, but sure they are not the most reasonably priced installers.
At the moment i need a battery and service for my Harley so thats first priority and upgrade to electrics of cSkipper will have to wait its turn.
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During my last three visits to Kruger, I stayed at Tsendze for 7 nights each time. The three-way fridge in my 1993 Caravette 6B was replaced a number of years ago with a double-door 220 V (only) fridge when the original fridge started giving problems.

I replaced my 12 V fluorescent tubes with LED tubes. I keep my Snomaster freezer in the back of my bakkie during whole time while visiting Tsendze. The Snomaster runs from my bakkie's battery. The Snomaster is adjusted to "high battery protection". Driving around during daytime, the battery is charged. As the Snomaster has a warning "beeper" built-in to warn you when the battery falls to lower than 11.8 volts (which normally starts beeping around 3 am) I switch of the freezer ewhen we go to bed, not to be woken early in the morning and to prevent being a nuisance to neighbouring campers. The Snomaster is adjusted to a minimum temperature of -10 C. When I get up in the morning, the temperature is still on -4 C.

I also take a Coolman cooler box with for the items you only want to keep cold (beer, wine, milk, butter etc). I have 4 ice bricks. Every morning I put 2 "freshly frozen" ice bricks into the Coleman, remove the 2 which were in the Coleman overnight and put them in the Snomaster. Before we go to bed I swap them around again.

Thanks to Tsendze being near to Mopani, we buy ice daily at the shop. The ice is have a nice cold whisky in the evening and also to give further assistance in keeping the content of the Coleman cold.

We find this to be working perfectly for us. After "discovering" Tsendze, we took the decision that it will be part of our itinerary every time we go camping in Kruger.

Here's a photo of our set-up in Tsendze.

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09 Dec 2019 @ 06:44:56 am
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With a bit of planning you somehow will get by.  On the radio I daily hear the ad about the availability of dry ice.

I know that it works great as it keeps the ice cream in the carts frozen, but:

  • How long does a cube of dry ice last?
  • Is it possible to cover it up so that it lasts longer?
  • Have any body used it lately?
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09 Dec 2019 @ 06:56:31 am
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https://dryice.co.za/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvM20_OCn5gIVk53VCh0yPgCQEAAYASAAEgJy5fD_BwE

Got some info on the net wrt Dry Ice.

For a 60L Cooler box for three days you will need about 10Kg of dry ice.

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09 Dec 2019 @ 12:33:22 pm
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The dry ice will last the first 3 days... What then, go buy again some new ones?

Ek wil ongelukkig ook nou nie heeltyd rondry om ys te soek nie, ek maak my eie ys ;-)

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09 Dec 2019 @ 13:07:01 pm
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Mens moet maar uitvind wat kan veroorsaak dat droë ys langer behoue bly.  Dalk is dit net nog meer droë ys.

Ek sien dat as jy 60 Liter cooler box wil koud hou vir 3 dae het jy 10Kg droë ys nodig.  Vir 7 dae benodig jy 20kg droë ys.  Word die droe ys apart gestoor en jy pak dit in die cooler box soos benodig of moet alles in eenslag in die cooler box gaan dan gaan daar min spasie oor wees om proviant in te pak.

Wie het al droë ys gebruik om mee te gaan kamp.

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09 Dec 2019 @ 13:18:21 pm
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Dan kostes:

  • 10kg droë ys kos R572
  • 30kg droe ys kos R1028 dus R342 (Raak goedkoper hoe meer jy vat)

So rof weg geskat kon jy vir jou 'n 12V yskas gekoop het met die geld wat jy gaan gebruik op 7 kampe se droë ys.

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09 Dec 2019 @ 14:43:30 pm
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If you freeze meat etc before packing in a cooler box, meat to be used last packed at the bottom with dry ice. Wrap the ice and meat with a couple of layers of news paper. 2nd last days meat packed with ice and paper in a layer above the bottom layer. And so you pack layer by layer. We have no close supplier of dry ice here and use the blue freezer blocks the same way. I dont think it is as good as dry ice but this way you keep meat colder much longer.

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09 Dec 2019 @ 21:48:52 pm
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Dan kostes:

  • 10kg droë ys kos R572
  • 30kg droe ys kos R1028 dus R342 (Raak goedkoper hoe meer jy vat)

So rof weg geskat kon jy vir jou 'n 12V yskas gekoop het met die geld wat jy gaan gebruik op 7 kampe se droë ys.

Sjoe...sal moelik R600 uithaal om 3 dae se vleis koud te hou. Soos jy sê...koop liewer yskas....dit kan langer as 3 dae hou en jy is gehulpe vir ewig

WAARSKUWING:

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10 Dec 2019 @ 09:18:05 am
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Ek het n droe ys verskaffer in Kaap gebel, vra R 200 vir 1,2 kg en hy se dit sal so 2-3 dae hou. Defnitief nie moeite werd nie. Ons gaan naweek kamp vir 3 dae by Weskus waar niks is nie. Dit gebeur eenkeer, maks twee keer per jaar, so dis nie moeite werd om solar te koop met ekstra batterye ens, sodat die  N Luna kan werk nie. Gaan maar met my outydse Edesa gas yskassie vir melk en bier en dan 5 dae extreme Coleman vir gevriesde vleis. Gebruik maar die blou ice packs, gevriesde bottels water met koerante tussen in. As jy hom nie gedurig oopmaak nie sal hy vleis 3 dae gevries/koud hou mits dit in skaduwee staan. O ja koue nat handdoek help ook.

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10 Dec 2019 @ 09:53:07 am
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Went to the Outdoor shop here in Hillcrest. The guy there recons to run the bar fridge with inverter, solar panels,battery pack and battery will cost about R15000 but the battery will have to work so hard the battery will be finished after 1 year.The set up he says would at most freeze meat for 3 days only. The alternative of a small Engel freezer for R9000 plus deep cycle battery and the car wiring to fit a second battery in my car will also be a total of R15000 but would be better.
Just going to have to last with my bar fridge and cooler box a lot longer as its not possible presently, but with stage 6 load shedding now who knows it may be neccessary to have a caravan/ car freezer back up. I get 4 -5 days cooling with a hebcooler which is as good as the first option with solar panels.
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10 Dec 2019 @ 10:10:46 am
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Glad my fridge runs 12V & gas, may have to switch to gas this dec holiday surprised

 

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