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Advantages/disadvantages of double over single axle

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04 Jul 2020 @ 13:08:02 pm
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In the last year I have towed my first double axle caravan and my experiences are as follows:

1) The double axle is a far more stable tow - ADV

2) It is easier to pack a double axle caravan, you don't have to worry too much about weight distribution - ADV

3) A double axle caravan is more suseptable to pot-hole damage - Dis ADV

4) A double axle caravan does not turn easily in the camp site - Dis ADV

5) A double axle caravan does not work well with movers, the turn problem - Dis ADV

6) It is easier to change a wheel on a  double axle caravan - ADV

7) It is less of a risk of damage if one tyre deflates - ADV

8) A double axle caravan does not give any warning if a tyre has deflated - Dis ADV

9) The load per tyr/axle is less than heavy single axle caravans - ADV

10) ?

I purposefully mixed the advantages and disadvantages up. Also, which is the greatest advantage or disadvantage?

Kan julle aan nog dink en wat is julle meening?

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04 Jul 2020 @ 19:02:05 pm
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advantage for me is its spacious , has all the creature comforts and as we live in it full time it suits our application. cons.......... none that really bother me.

two roads diverged in a wood and i took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.
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04 Jul 2020 @ 19:06:58 pm
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Not many vehicles can legally tow a double axle van. Disadvantage.

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04 Jul 2020 @ 19:12:15 pm
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the above is correct, i had to fit a vacume brake conversion to my bakkie and the caravan to make it legal, now when i touch the brake pedal the whole rig brakes as one, a comforting feeling believe me.

two roads diverged in a wood and i took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.
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04 Jul 2020 @ 20:07:21 pm
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Tire replacement every 5 years is double the price - Dis ADV.

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05 Jul 2020 @ 09:20:13 am
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Tire replacement every 5 years is double the price - Dis ADV.

Yes that is also true. The tyres reach end of life and then the cost is double compared to a single axle.

I can not imagine someone will buy a caravan because it is double axle but more because it suits there requirements. We had smaller single axle caravans before the Exclusive and they were perfect school holiday caravans. I see the Classique is only R22 000 cheaper than the Exclusive. I would take the Exclusive hands down.

advantage for me is its spacious , has all the creature comforts and as we live in it full time it suits our application. cons.......... none that really bother me.

Same here George. My Pajero has a Tarr of 2245Kg so it is perfectly legal.

Interesting about pot-hole damage being more prevalent on the double axle caravans. This comes from various caravan repair shops. Exclusive's are the most caravan in for pot-hole damage repairs. I wonder why?

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05 Jul 2020 @ 09:35:47 am
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Can't really talk or participate on this subject, except to ask - why change tyres after 5 years? I thought that point has been cleared (and declared a myth) a long time ago?

 

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05 Jul 2020 @ 10:25:16 am
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I must say I don't. When they show cracking or scuffing I replace. My Exclusive is now 5 yrs old and the tyres look perfect. Not changing them. Is a Metro Cop going to declare them un-roadworthy, I dont think so. He won't even know how to read the date of manufacture.

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05 Jul 2020 @ 14:13:40 pm
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George, may I ask you what it costed you to fit the vacuum brakes to your vehicle and van please. Thanks.

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05 Jul 2020 @ 14:21:31 pm
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hi eric, i bought the kit from wingate in jhb, it was R17000.00 and i installed every thing myself. that includes all the parts for the caravan and the bakkie. wilst i know that sounds expensive it was a lot cheaper then buying another bakkie that would comply. 

two roads diverged in a wood and i took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.
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10 Jul 2020 @ 14:50:07 pm
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To summarize and to add

1) The double axle is a far more stable tow - ADV

2) It is easier to pack a double axle caravan, you don't have to worry too much about weight distribution - ADV

3) A double axle caravan is more susceptible to pot-hole damage - Dis ADV

4) A double axle caravan does not turn easily in the camp site - Dis ADV

5) A double axle caravan does not work well with movers, the turn problem - Dis ADV

6) It is easier to change a wheel on a  double axle caravan - ADV

7) It is less of a risk of damage if one tire deflates - ADV

8) A double axle caravan does not give any warning if a tire has deflated - Dis ADV

9) The load per tire/axle is less than heavy single axle caravans - ADV

10) When the tires need to be changed after 5 years the cost is double - Dis ADV

11) Braking is improved as there are 4 brakes which brake the caravan - ADV

12) The tow ball carries less weight as the 4 wheels keep the nose up - ADV

13) As the double axle caravan is very long the longitudinal stresses are more severe, leaking/wood rot due to shell/body flexing is more prominent (not really a double axle issue)- Dis ADV

14) If you want movers (EWIKS), 4 movers have to be fitted, ~double cost - Dis ADV

15) More difficult to level on a sloping stand - Dis ADV 

16) ?

So, 8 Dis ADV and 7 ADV. I still prefer my double axle caravan. The stability and spaciousness is just unbeatable.

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10 Jul 2020 @ 15:06:54 pm
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Paul. One you omitted is that not many vehicles can legally tow a double axle caravan. The price class of vehicles that can is beyond many budgets.

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10 Jul 2020 @ 15:40:39 pm
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Thanks Hendrick. Very valid point. The individual weighting of each Dis ADV or ADV will obviously vary from person to person.

To summarize and to add

1) The double axle is a far more stable tow - ADV

2) It is easier to pack a double axle caravan, you don't have to worry too much about weight distribution - ADV

3) A double axle caravan is more susceptible to pot-hole damage - Dis ADV

4) A double axle caravan does not turn easily in the camp site - Dis ADV

5) A double axle caravan does not work well with movers, the turn problem - Dis ADV

6) It is easier to change a wheel on a  double axle caravan - ADV

7) It is less of a risk of damage if one tire deflates - ADV

8) A double axle caravan does not give any warning if a tire has deflated - Dis ADV

9) The load per tire/axle is less than heavy single axle caravans - ADV

10) When the tires need to be changed after 5 years the cost is double - Dis ADV

11) Braking is improved as there are 4 brakes which brake the caravan - ADV

12) The tow ball carries less weight as the 4 wheels keep the nose up - ADV

13) As the double axle caravan is very long the longitudinal stresses are more severe, leaking/wood rot due to shell/body flexing is more prominent (not really a double axle issue)- Dis ADV

14) If you want movers (EWIKS), 4 movers have to be fitted, ~double cost - Dis ADV

15) More difficult to level on a sloping stand - Dis ADV 

16) Less vehicles are legally capable of towing a heavy double axle caravan - Dis ADV

17) ?

Pse any more? 

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10 Jul 2020 @ 16:09:38 pm
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Spacious interior. ADV

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10 Jul 2020 @ 16:55:38 pm
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Spacious interior. ADV

Thanks Hendrick, I really hope you don't take this the wrong way and I sincerely appreciate your feedback. Not so sure about that one. My Penta had more space and there are others like the Sprite Splash which I think are more spacious but then they are all just a sleeping place, where you also keep your clothes & food. Even Mobi Lodge boasts more floor space? What these large caravans offer is a home away from home. You don't have to leave your camp site at all if you are prepared to do No 2 at home. It is so rewarding to lye in bed and see your own bathroom just a few steps away.

And now with social distancing it is a very safe way of living if you want to be away from your own home, like me. Watch the home away from home sales!

Ek het baia lank gevat om hierdie te post want daar is baia sensatiewe leede. sealed

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10 Jul 2020 @ 17:27:01 pm
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I was comparing the Exclusive to the Classique Paul. We love our Classique with basically the same luxuries but it is rather cramped.

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10 Jul 2020 @ 18:09:53 pm
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The Exclusive as a home is even a bit cramped for us. With your Classique it is also a home away from home and it is a beautiful caravan and lighter to tow. Going up the mountain passes with an Exclusive of 2 tons behind you, no one can tell me, it is easy, unless you are towing with a massive 6 cylinder million KW truck on your way back from delivering a herd of cattle. But when you get there and stay for a month or more it was worth it.

For the school holiday caravaner, the smaller caravans are much more fun!

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10 Jul 2020 @ 18:49:53 pm
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Paul. One you omitted is that not many vehicles can legally tow a double axle caravan. The price class of vehicles that can is beyond many budgets.

Although my Pajero according to manufacturer book specifications is supposed to be able to tow 3.3 Tons. The manufacturer fitted hitch is also  rated as such and it can take 185Kg downward load. She has a 2.30 Ton Tarra. With a 2 ton caravan her newish 2015, 3.2 liter diesel ploegs up the steep mountain passes? What is wrong?

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10 Jul 2020 @ 18:52:37 pm
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Net so Hendrick. Die swaar woonwaens is n' mission.

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10 Jul 2020 @ 20:53:48 pm
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I have been the owner of my Exclusive for the past 14 years and have covered 72 500km towing all over South Africa, between Cape Town and Kgalagadi, Kruger National Park, KZN South Coast, Transkei, Addo, Mountain Zebra NP, Karoo NP and all over in between.  I have never had a flat tyre and only replaced my first set of tyres after 8 years.  I have never had a problem parking the Exclusive at a camp site and now with my PowrTuch movers, even more a simple task.  If planned properly, there is no need to do 90º cornering.

While travelling comfortably at a speed of 100/110kph, there is no need to get upset with a slightly slower speed at the here and there up hills.  I find the Exclusive a fantastic caravan  -  "home away from home" to use Paul's word.

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11 Jul 2020 @ 09:59:36 am
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Lennie ek sal ook nooit weer terug gaan na n' kleiner woonwa nie. Dit is vir my tog well n' aanpassing om van die kleinste Gypsey (1997 Raven D, GVM 950Kg) wat ek vir 160 000Km gesleep het na n' Penta (2012, GVM 1560Kg) wat ek net 7 000Km gesleep het na die 747 Exclusive (2015, GVM 1800Kg) toe te gaan. Die sleep van die Gypsey was soos asof daar niks agter is nie. Die Penta het ek gevoel maar was heel hanteerbaar en mens kon reedelik vrylik n' staanplek kies. Met die 747 (~3000 Km nou gesleep) moet ek vooruit vra vir n' groot staanplek en soms het hulle nie een wat 10x10 is nie. Die gerief kom met n' koste. Ek is seeker nog net nie gewoond aan die Exclusive nie.

Dan by gese, by Tshipese (480 staanplekke) is daar n' kampeerder wat statestiek hou van watter woonwaens daar staan. Elke jaar is die Exclusives 40% of meer. Dan Penta en so aan.

Sy is perfek vir ons verkiesde wyse van lewe.

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11 Jul 2020 @ 13:07:11 pm
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Onthou dat die meeste mense wat oor die wintermaande by Tshipise staan, semi- of moontlik permanente karavaners is wat soms vir ses maande daar staan.  Hulle is waarskynlik nie juis mense wat toer nie.  As ek die soort kampering verkies het, sou ek ook die grootste moontlike karavaan wou hê, want dit is dan my semi- of permanente woning.  Heelwat kampeerders lyk dit my, ry ook so een of tweemaal per jaar na gunsteling kampe en dan terug huis toe, soms nie eers ver van die huis af nie.  Dan is 'n groot karavaan seker doenbaar. As jou prioriteit egter toer is, soos ons s'n is, kyk jy na ander eienskappe.

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11 Jul 2020 @ 13:43:24 pm
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Onthou dat die meeste mense wat oor die wintermaande by Tshipise staan, semi- of moontlik permanente karavaners is wat soms vir ses maande daar staan.  Hulle is waarskynlik nie juis mense wat toer nie.  As ek die soort kampering verkies het, sou ek ook die grootste moontlike karavaan wou hê, want dit is dan my semi- of permanente woning.  Heelwat kampeerders lyk dit my, ry ook so een of tweemaal per jaar na gunsteling kampe en dan terug huis toe, soms nie eers ver van die huis af nie.  Dan is 'n groot karavaan seker doenbaar. As jou prioriteit egter toer is, soos ons s'n is, kyk jy na ander eienskappe.

Juistement! Dit is waarom ons op die Classique besluit het om mee te toer. Dit het aan al ons vereistes voldoen vir die +60 maande wat ons die land al deurkruis het. Basies 4 toere van verskillende periodes en bestemmings.

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11 Jul 2020 @ 14:17:23 pm
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Onthou dat die meeste mense wat oor die wintermaande by Tshipise staan, semi- of moontlik permanente karavaners is wat soms vir ses maande daar staan.  Hulle is waarskynlik nie juis mense wat toer nie.  As ek die soort kampering verkies het, sou ek ook die grootste moontlike karavaan wou hê, want dit is dan my semi- of permanente woning.  Heelwat kampeerders lyk dit my, ry ook so een of tweemaal per jaar na gunsteling kampe en dan terug huis toe, soms nie eers ver van die huis af nie.  Dan is 'n groot karavaan seker doenbaar. As jou prioriteit egter toer is, soos ons s'n is, kyk jy na ander eienskappe.

Ja dit is so. Daar is baia "Swaeltjies" en Clubs wat vir 3 of meer maande daar kamp en dit is soortgelyk aan wat ons doen....well will doen. Net nie in so op-mekaar plek soos Tshipise nie.

Geniet die kampeering!

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11 Jul 2020 @ 14:19:18 pm
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I have been the owner of my Exclusive for the past 14 years and have covered 72 500km towing all over South Africa, between Cape Town and Kgalagadi, Kruger National Park, KZN South Coast, Transkei, Addo, Mountain Zebra NP, Karoo NP and all over in between.  I have never had a flat tyre and only replaced my first set of tyres after 8 years.  I have never had a problem parking the Exclusive at a camp site and now with my PowrTuch movers, even more a simple task.  If planned properly, there is no need to do 90º cornering.

While travelling comfortably at a speed of 100/110kph, there is no need to get upset with a slightly slower speed at the here and there up hills.  I find the Exclusive a fantastic caravan  -  "home away from home" to use Paul's word.

Lennie is jou Pathfinder automaties?

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11 Jul 2020 @ 15:17:44 pm
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Hi Paul  -  nee dit is my tweede Pathfinder en albei is handrat modelle.  Ek hou daarvan om self inbeheer van ratkeuses te wees  -  heelwaarskynlik 'n ouskool gewoonte !  Indien ek 'n ander sleepvoertuig moet koop (wat ek nie nou beplan nie), sal dit heelwaarskynlik 'n outomatiese model wees want al my kampvriende sleep met outomatiese voertuie.  My platkar is wel outomaties en ek is mal oor hom.

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11 Jul 2020 @ 15:27:23 pm
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Hi Paul  -  nee dit is my tweede Pathfinder en albei is handrat modelle.  Ek hou daarvan om self inbeheer van ratkeuses te wees  -  heelwaarskynlik 'n ouskool gewoonte !  Indien ek 'n ander sleepvoertuig moet koop (wat ek nie nou beplan nie), sal dit heelwaarskynlik 'n outomatiese model wees want al my kampvriende sleep met outomatiese voertuie.  My platkar is wel outomaties en ek is mal oor hom.

Dankie Lennie, dan kan ek jou nie vra wat ek wou vra nie. Ek was ook tee op automaties maar toe ek my eerste Pajero LWB koop was hy net in automaties beskikbaar. Nou sal ek nie weer terug handrat toe gaan nie.

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