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Some advice on new Mazda BT-50 / Ford Ranger Double cabs

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02 Jul 2014 @ 22:20:46 pm
Anonymous

Hi, I am fairly new here, and unfortunately admit did not search too long before I decided to just ask:

IF anyone owns / knows the in and out of the new Ford Ranger or specifically Mazda BT-50 3.2 Diesel (very typically the same functions and features when it comes to towing a caravan), I am in need of a bit of help and will appreciate some info...

1. STABILITY

Anyone with stability issues on the Mazda BT-50? It has "trailer sway control", but I am not really sure how it works in SA, as I have a problem reconciling info on the net with info from the dealers.

2. TOWING CAPACITY

I have the manual gbox, and in the manual of the vehicle it shows the auto and manual have towing capacities of 3350kg, but Mazda dealers (and their brochure on SA) claim that manual can only tow 1800kg? But in other countries the manual can do 3350kg?

3. TOWING IN 5TH OR 6TH?

Many people with the auto box claim that they can tow in 6th without problems due to the torque of the 3.2, but a lot of guys also advise against towing in 6th for some reasons. The revs at 100km/h in 5th is quite irritating and the fuel consumption on a level stretch of road in 5th vs 6th is quite different?

4. FUEL CONSUMPTION (AVERAGE)

I know this is a long shot, as no caravan is ever the same, nor driving styles etc, but what can be realistically expected from the vehicle when towing, and when solo? Solo thus far I got between 8.0l/100km and sometimes 9.0l/100km and if I really push it, worst was around 9.8l/100km I think? I did not tow yet, but will definitely appreciate some advice.

5. TOW BALL HEIGHT

With a normal caravan (not the off-road ones), did you fit a drop plate? Will this not influence the stability of the setup?

6. REASONABLE TOW SPEED

I hear some claiss of 120 - 130km/h, but I doubt that it is safe (even 110km/h - 115km/h sounds reasonable, I know the vehicle can do it at high speeds as it has the power, but what is in your experience with this vehicle, a reasonable tow speed with a medium sized caravan (I have Jurgens Expo, which will be different than a Fleetline or Penta etc.) My problem is not being rushed, but trucks that come to pass you and cause instability, so I would preferrably want them not to catch up on me, I don't even mind driving 80 - 90 km/h, but the biggest issue for me is the trucks catching up from behind and not really passing you responsibly...

7. STABILISER OR NOT?

I have a yellow blade stabiliser that I used on my other vehicles, but is it still necessary or advisable to use it with the new BT-50? Again, sway control, how does it really work or affect the stability of the caravan or tow setup?

8. OTHER GENERAL ADVICE

If you have additional or alternative comments, or advice with regards to the 3.2 BT-50 and towing with it, I will appreciate it so much.. THANKING YOU IN ADVANCE

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03 Jul 2014 @ 05:36:00 am
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Expo

Leon tows with the Ranger 3.2 and I'm sure he will give you some great advice when he comes on l8r.

I would definetly never tow at speeds of 120 - 130Kph for safety reasons. I would fit a drop plate as you should try get the nose of the van level or slightly nose down when towing. I usually tow in 5th not 6th in the Pathfinder and only use 6th when there is a longer downhill.

The other questions the Mazda/Ford guys will answer.

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03 Jul 2014 @ 06:44:34 am
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Expo I agree with Brian about the towing speed, I normally tow between 100 and 110 on the open road. And yes Leon can give you all the advice you require .

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03 Jul 2014 @ 08:15:22 am
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Expo, I had an Expo( now the Sprite Sprint -bed layout became a problem) and have a 2.2 xl Ranger and used the yellow blade stabiliser.Very stable tow more than enough power.Towed at 100-110 and when needed was able to go to 130.Always tow in 5th gear, on straight level road would make use of 6th gear.
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03 Jul 2014 @ 08:56:01 am
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Môre Pieter. Ek val sommer met die deur in die huis.

STABILITY

Towed my caravan now for about 7000 km with the Ranger. Never had any stability problems. I do however make use of a Yellowblade.

TOWING CAPACITY

The GVM of the Classique is about 1600kg he chassis of the caravan do not allow the fitment of a tow bar so I can not hitch up more than the caravan so would your EXPO. I do not have the need to tow more than the caravan. So you would know that the vehicle is more than capabile to tow the caravan.

5th OR 6th

I select sport feature with the gear lever and excelerate till about 105km/h then engage the speed control. From then on the vehicle itself decides which gear is best for the speed and circumstances. On our way to Edenpark and back 2 weekends ago the vehicle towed numerous times in 6th gear and when in 5th at a speed of 105km/h the revs are at about 2500rpm which is not a bother.

 

FUEL CONSUPTION

Without towing I now get about 9,2 Km/l. While towing it drops to 7 Km/l. I talked to a lot of Ranger drivers and they get 10km/l no towing and below 8Km/l while towing. "Probably something wrong with MY ranger only" I never get 10Km/l. Lets leave it at that.

TOWBALL HEIGHT

I have a 6 hole "Drop plate" but only use the lower 4 holes. Found that this is more than enough drop due to the fact that my Ranger is about 70mm higher than the normal Ranger from the factory. 25mm spacer either side front suspention and Half leafsprings at the rear.

TOW SPEED

My tow speed is 105Km/h two reasons  1.  Since I started towing a caravan I tow between 95 -110Km/h. This is what I am comfortable with.2.   On the Ranger I excelerate till 105Km/h and then engage the speed controll. I found that on this speed the gearbox does not HUNT for the next gear that often.

STABILIZER

Yes I do use a Yellowblade. Most people would say that it's too "light" for the Classique but it still gives me the UNIT stability between the Ranger and Classique. What I means by this is if a vehicle passes you without using a stabilizer, it normally pulls the caravan then the vehicle. Then releases the caravan and then the vehicle. With a stabilizer the Vehicle and caravan is pulled closer and released as a unit.

I have towed the caravan without the yellowblade for short distances to resorts around Brits and did not experience and stability issues.

GENERAL

I would say that the Ranger is surely the best vehicle of all that I had a chance with to tow a Caravan. Mainly due to the Auto box. Other tow vehicles I used was Ford Saphire 3.0l GLX, Isuzu KB 280 TD 4x2, Mazda 2,5 Tdi 4x2, Isuzu 3.0l TD 4x2, Colt 280 tdi 4x2, Navara 2,5 Tdi 4x4 Auto and now the 3,2 Ranger. All the other vehicles where manual gear box vehicles. 

Second best would be the 402Nm Navara I had and then the Mazda 2,5 Tdi.

Hope I have answered your concerns

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03 Jul 2014 @ 09:01:45 am
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I used to think the yellow blade is to light for the Penta, but I have towed about 1000 kms with it in JHB traffic and highways, NO problem what soever. There is no sway noticable.

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03 Jul 2014 @ 09:05:55 am
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There you go Expo told you Leon could answer all your concernes.

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03 Jul 2014 @ 13:17:21 pm
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There you go Expo told you Leon could answer all your concernes.



As jy iets wil weet vra!
As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

Die jonge Fransies. (Parys - Frankryk)
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03 Jul 2014 @ 19:56:59 pm
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Ek het vir my 'n drop plate by AutoBar in PTA gekry
sy gate is so dat hy net mooi onder die Square bar van die towbar in pas en my wa le baie mooi gelyk.

Ek het ook na een by MIDAS gekyk maar hy laat jou neus af sleep

Kom ons gaan kamp
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05 Jul 2014 @ 15:03:19 pm
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Thank you for all the info and especially Leon for the comprehensive answers - I might have missed to say that I have the manual version and not the auto box.. And according to Ford/Mazda dealers the manual and auto have different towing capacities... I also believed in the yellow blade as I could feel the difference, but now after a big sway and basically had my caravan almost on its roof, I think the yellow blade I have is not functioning correctly anymore as I get sways the whole time now. Maybe buy a new one? Campworld? If not, where else?

I just wondered how the vehicle works as it as an automatic trailer sway control function?? I would probably still feel better to have a yellow blade anyways...

I might upgrade my expo to something bigger later as needs change, thus my concerns about towing capacity.

I believe I bought the correct vehicle for the price paid (also looked at the 2.5 Navara, but think the 3.2 BT-50 was my option, like it for an everyday drive as well)

I saw the 2 different drop plates at midas, there is a 6 hole and 4 hole drop plate... Maybe just first hook up the caravan to the bakkie, see how it looks, and then see by how much I must let the caravan nose decent to get the correct angle.. (Reason I asked, with the older bakkies a drop plate, in my opinion, looks just ugly and spoils the look of the vehicle, but if you have to, you have to...)

Dankie elkgeval, ek het baie beter idee, hou maar by 100 - 110, ek dink elkgeval my dae van 120 sleep is verby, dit maak net die brandstof rekening onnodig hoog.

Leon, is jou verbruik nie swaar oordat jy dalk ander bande en wiele op het nie? Dis moeilik eintlik, want elkeen se roetes verskil. Ek kry baie goeie verbruik op my bakkie, maar ek ry nie te veel in verkeer nie, en ek ry baie lig op brandstof, baie rustig op die pad, so my beste was 12km/l omgeveer 5uur die middag vanaf suid Jhb na Pretoria Noord op die N3 en ons het redelik baie gestaan in verkeer, maar baie rustig gery, so ek was impressed met dit vir 3.2 handrat. Automaties is ook swaarder - van my kliente kry ook 10km/l met hul Ford Rangers 3.2 handrat, maar auto is dalk bietjie swaarder?

 

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05 Jul 2014 @ 18:57:41 pm
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EXPO Kameerder,
Ek het een van die Drop plates van Midas getoets en gevind dit sal rapsie lag hou van die wa so gelyk moontlik. Daarom het ek die een by AutoBar gekoop wat bal so 60 m/m laat sak (sien foto op my footer)

Ek sleep met die BT50 3.2 Auto 4x4 en my vebruik is so 17.5 l /100 km as ek sleep

normale dag tot dag verbruik is so omtrent 10.5 l/100km
oor die 40000 km wat ek gery het waarvan +/- 6000 die sleep van my Sprite splash was en die onboard computer toon 11.8 l /100 km

Wat ek gevind het was dat my wa het LED agter ligte en as ek nie die converter gebruik nie my sway control oortyd werk.

Ek sep nie met 'n stabeliser nie

Sterkte en lekker sleep
Kom ons gaan kamp
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05 Jul 2014 @ 19:16:11 pm
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Wat kos so converter? Ek het ook LEDs op my karavaan gesit, om die kamera te help met krag, lang storie op ander draad, maar ja, ek sal seker nou ook die converter moet kry, ek sien op die Fords flikker die LEDs sonder converter... Dankie ek hoop die bakkie gaan lekker sleep, moes dit terugvat vir klein probleempies na aflewering, so verwag dit nou weer terug in die week

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06 Jul 2014 @ 09:07:34 am
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ek het myne verniet gekry.
die handelaars het hulle verlede jaar vir so R310 VAT excl verkoop

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06 Jul 2014 @ 20:36:12 pm
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Sjoe, ek kan jou amper verseker hulle het my seker 3x daai prys gekwoteer nou... Ek sal net weer seker maak, maar ek kon sien die handelaar is besig om my deur die ore te roer met die ekstras, so moes baie ekstras eers kanselleer. Sal maar moet sluk en die converter koop, bakkie moes maar eintlik dit reeds ingehad het, net soos ISOFIX, boekie sê die kar het dit, maar Mazda sê nie in Suid Afrika nie.. Toe kry ek geroeste plate onder my sitplekke (kar nuut, nou maar al 700km op) en klomp parte onder bakkie woes geroes, wat ek voel is eintlik verkeerd, so die bakkie is elkgeval nou eers terug na Mazda dat hul dit kan regstel, soek nie nuwe voertuig so nie, betaal nie so baie geld vir iets wat geroeste plate in het en Mazda trek net skouers op nie. Baie dankie elkgeval sover

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07 Jul 2014 @ 07:56:27 am
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EXPO Kampeerder skryf "Leon, is jou verbruik nie swaar oordat jy dalk ander bande en wiele op het nie? Dis moeilik eintlik, want elkeen se roetes verskil. Ek kry baie goeie verbruik op my bakkie, maar ek ry nie te veel in verkeer nie, en ek ry baie lig op brandstof, baie rustig op die pad, so my beste was 12km/l omgeveer 5uur die middag vanaf suid Jhb na Pretoria Noord op die N3 en ons het redelik baie gestaan in verkeer, maar baie rustig gery, so ek was impressed met dit vir 3.2 handrat. Automaties is ook swaarder - van my kliente kry ook 10km/l met hul Ford Rangers 3.2 handrat, maar auto is dalk bietjie swaarder?"

Het maar dieselfde brandstof verbruik gekry toe die oorspronklike wiele nog op was.

Dis my eerste automatiese voertuig. Staan nou op 30 000km seker maar my manier van ry.

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07 Jul 2014 @ 20:29:41 pm
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Nee ek verstaan goed, dis lekker as jy soveel krag het en mens se voet speel mos maar soms as jy kan??

Ek vra maar oor die wiele vir nog 'n rede, soek ook dalk daai tipe.. ;-)

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08 Jul 2014 @ 07:13:35 am
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Het Sondag die tank vol gemaak. En besluit ek gaan NOU regtig probeer MOOI ry. Vandag is Dinsdag sover gaan dit nog goed, dis nou met die mooi ry.

Dalk moet ek gou volmaak en kyk wat is die verbruik. Mensig maar dis moeilik.
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08 Jul 2014 @ 07:55:31 am
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Toemaar, vir my raak dit makliker, jy spaar maar 'n Rand of so per dag afhangende van km wat jy ry, maar kyk na totale brandstof koste na maand, (nou nie die maand wat die brandstofpryse skerp styg of daal nie...).

Die rekenaar is redelik akkuraat, ek sou maar dit gebruik, want al is dit sekere % moontlik uit, sal dit ook tog vir jou wys as jy ligter op brandstof ry? Weet dis nou op ander draad, maar ek is seker ons kan maar die rekenaar tot mate vertrou om aan te dui of jy wel ligter ry of nie?

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08 Jul 2014 @ 16:37:45 pm
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EXPO water kant van Gauteng bly jy?
Kom ons gaan kamp
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08 Jul 2014 @ 20:03:24 pm
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Bokant? Pretoria Noord kant, hoekom?

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08 Jul 2014 @ 20:18:41 pm
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Maar my Mazda is die suide gekoop, ry omtrent 100km na die dealer, en dan moet ek weer amper 100km (one way) terugry dat hul die nonsens kan uitsort, maar ja, BAIE VERSKONINGS.. Mazda cover nie roes nie... Kan jy glo? Maar die kar kan maar so afgelewer word? Ek het onlangs eers begin verstaan ook wat die verskil beteken van Mazda waarborg en ander karre soos bv Renault se waarborg.

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08 Jul 2014 @ 20:30:19 pm
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Hallo Expo,

Ek wil graag byvoeg dat die Yellow blade se "friction pads" weg slyt oor tyd en dat jy dit moet verstel om te kompenseer vir die slytasie van tyd tot tyd deur die moer aan die onderkant bietjie vaster te draai. Sorg dat wanneer die krag benodig om die "yellow blade" te beweeg wanneer dit "gelock is" so 30 to 40kg behels. Oppas vir te styf want dan gaan jy die "friction pads" breek. Dit geld eintlik vir alle stabiliseerders wat met "friction pads" werk. Almal moet van tyd tot tyd gestel word.

Wat stabiliteit van jou woonwa betref, die grootste faktor van onstabiliteit is verkeerde laai metode. Jou bakkie het een van die sterkste "towbars" wat jy kan kry. Dit is dus geen gevaar om te sorg dat jou gewig in die karavaan VOOR die as is so ver moontlik. Jy sal sien dat jou wa baie stabiel is as dit reg gelaai is sonder dat die "electronics" dit hoef te stabiliseer. Voorkom eerder onstabiliteit deur reg te laai as om te hoef staat te maak op iets anders.

Brandstof verbruik hang af van HOE jy ry en waar jy ry. As jy mooi ry in die dorp gaan jy tussen 9 en 10km per liter sien. Oop pad sonder sleep en hou by die spoedgrens kan jy 11 tot 12km/l kry. Sleep teen 100 tot 105 kph en 7,5km/l is gemiddeld. Looi daai bakkie en jy kan sukkel om 7km/l sonder sleep kry. So dit hang maar van jou af. Dit bly die beste sleep voertuig wat ek nog ooit gehad het. In die begin is hy bietjie swaarder maar na so 10,000km word dit beslis beter. Oorweeg om jou lugfilter op 30,000km self te laat vervang want hy word swaarder na 30,000km. Ford/Mazda vervang dit eers op 45,000km. Dit wat jy gaan spaar aan brandstof sal opmaak vir die koste. Dan vra jy vir die nuwe filter op 45,000km diens wat Ford/Mazda in elk geval sou vervang en ruil dit weer by 60,000, instede van 90,000km soos per Ford/Mazda skedule.

Hoop dit help
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08 Jul 2014 @ 23:38:20 pm
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Dankie Bazil,

Ek verstaan die laaimetode ding, en dis bitter belangrik soos jy noem.

My grootste kommer is die feit dat die Renault Megane sonder probleme sleep, abie stabiel, maar die Mazda 6 kan nie stabiel sleep nie. So daar eintlik my geld gemors.. Nou het ek geleentheid gehad om die bakkie te koop, so ek glo dit sal beter gaan..

Ek het intussen ook gevind dat al die tentpale agter in die ekspo is, dus redelik gewig in die agterkant plaas, wat dalk my probleme kan gee... Ek probeer nog aan plan dink wat ek kan uitvoer om my pale vorentoe te kry. Moet se, ons gebruik bitter min die voltent, meeste gebruik ons einltik net die dak, nog NOOIT ons sykante opgesit nie... En die ry bitter min saam...

Gewig van my karavaan as ons gepak is, is baie min, so ek wetie eintlik wat ek waar moet pak nie, daar is baie min wat eintlik gewig dra in die karavaan self, alles is gewoonlik (klere ens) in die kar. Ek wonder soms of die karavaan nie "te lig" is nie, en dan makliker rondskuif in die wind?

Steeds, ek staan nou en praat oor sleepkombinasies wat nou in die verlede moet wees. Ek het nog nie die karavaan aan die bakkie gehaak en gery nie - soos genoem, ek wag nog om dit terug te kry - maar sodra die koue gou kan aanskuif en geleentheid opduik, gaan ek defnitief sommer paar naweke gebruik om te gaan kamp en die bakkie te toets.

My ekspo is regtig baie lig, dis die 1996 model, en die weeg maar 690kg - 900kg (gelaai, wat nooit is nie, want ek laai amper niks in die karavaan nie). Ek dink grootste gewig is maar die tente se dakke en die pale... Ons ry nie eers met koeldranke, vleis of enigsins so iets nie, yskas is leeg tot by die kamp..

Vir die 700km wat ek wel met die bakkie gery het, was die syfers redelik naby wat jy gee, tussen 11km/l - 12km/l.. Dit was aangename verrassing.. Was voorbereid op baie erger en sou dus oorspronklik nie baie met bakkie gery nie.

YELLOW BLADE:

Ek verstaan ook die stelskroef / moer en goed dat jy dit noem. En steeds verbeter dit nie juis op Mazda 6 nie, maar Renault sleep soos 'n droom (alhoewel die Renault se dienste duur raak met meganiese dienste). Ek is tog maar bang dat die Yellow Blade dalk gebreek het met byna rol insident Desember 2012.. Van daar was niks nooit weer dieselfde nie. Wonder steeds of ek nie maar nuwe een moet koop nie? Net om seker te maak, want ek dink nie die ding werk nou meer reg nie, kon snaaks gebuig het - karavaan se voorkant het teen pad geskuur en een wiel hoog in die lug oppad om te rol, gelukkig was daar Hand van bo wat aan stuur van sake was daai dag, want ekt daai karavaan se dak gesien in my spieel oppad om te rol oor kar toe die momentum als weer terugswaai.. Kyk, dis net daar wat jou hare regop staan in jou nek vir daai oomblik. Van daar af is die selfvertroue met karavaan sleep verby, nog nooit weer gemaklik nie, en ons het laasjaar seker 7 of 8 keer lekker gaan kamp oral waar ons so paar dae kon kry, maar ek hoop dat alles nou sal verbeter met die bakkie, want ek kan nie meer so stresvol ry nie, waar ek dit altyd geniet het agter die stuur met karavaan agter my sonder probleme, kalm en gemaklik, ry ek nou en  my hande sweet en als is net ongemaklik op die pad, mens voel onveilig en jou senuwees kan dit nie hou nie. Nou ry jy stadiger om stabieler te wees, dan kom trokke by jou verby (TEEN JOU VERBY) en maak weereens probleme.

Die kamp is vir my baie lekker, maar die ryery en sleep het vir my elke keer na daai Desember 2012 nagmerrie geword - en ek wil dit regkry dat ek en my gesin nie so stres op die pad nie, dat die rygedeelte weer lekker kan wees.

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10 Jul 2014 @ 16:41:20 pm
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Bokant? Pretoria Noord kant, hoekom?


sal dan moet koffie drink saam bly ook die kant in Pretoria Noord self
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10 Jul 2014 @ 16:44:47 pm
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EKPO
ek het 'n drop plate vir jou
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10 Jul 2014 @ 22:38:16 pm
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EKPO
ek het 'n drop plate vir jou
Hi Swanie, Interessant! Klink gaaf. Skies ek vra, wat is die catch ;-)? Ons kan plan maak en gesels. Toevallig dat jy hier in die "Noorde" is. Ek sal moet die knop van die towbar afhaal en maar terugsit as ek karavaan wil sleep, die bakkie pas nou net-net in die garage, as ek yellow blade se "plaat" moet fit, dan maak deur nie meer toe nie, ek vermoed dis dieselfde nog met drop plate seker ook, sal alles maar moet saamry en opsit wanneer nodig... Ek is letterlik 3mm van muur voor en die garagedeur moet ek so bietjie trek en buig om toe te maak op die stadium!!! Ek behoort more my bakkie terug te kry. Mazda trek maar skouers op oor die geroeste parte (wat so afgelewer is in nuwe voertuig), sal maar more sien, hulle eerder bereid om my bakkie terug te vat en my geld terug te gee as om die parte te vervang... Swak in my opinie, maar nou ja, sal dit maar anders hanteer. Sal nou nie weer Mazda koop nie. Hulle het darem die spreiwerke laat regmaak en die sitplekplate reggemaak, die stickers vervang, so hulle was darem bereid om ietsie te doen. Maar verder kry jy maar die vinger. Miskien verwag ek te veel. Elkgeval, ek gaan maar probeer om nuwe yellow blade te koop, of diens hulle die goed en maak reg? Maar by Campworld hoor of weet iemand van erens anders?
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11 Jul 2014 @ 12:20:07 pm
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Ek het vir my een gekry wat teveel laat sak het. toe andergekry by AutoBar. so die een le en ek gaan hom nie gbruik nie

ek het weer sulke swak diens by LAZARUS Centurion gekry.
my enjin was nie eers afgestof mat die dien nie die merk en olie soos hulle vol gemaak het was op die covers
Gebel en gese voertuig is reg kom haal toe sit en wag ek nog 'n uur en 'n half. Verskoning die clip van die diesel pyp /filter het gespring toe hulle die terug sir en hulle moes een by die fabriek gaan kry.

Dien nou maar weer by Menlyn Mazda sal sien hoe dit volgende week gaan as die diens gedoen moet word
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11 Jul 2014 @ 13:07:14 pm
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Pieter ek het nou net gesit en die draad weer gelees, is dit dalk nie moontlik dat jou wa 'n bietjie seergekry het met die skrik van jou nie? Dalk die onderstel wat efens geknak het of iets, of 'n as mounting wat geskuif het?

Het jy al gekyk hoe gedrae die wa homself as jy met 'n ander voertuig as die Mazda 6 sleep? Ek vrae so, want 'n vriend van my het met 'n Mazda 6 gesleep toevallig ook 'n Expo en hy was baie gelukkig met die kombo.  

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11 Jul 2014 @ 21:30:53 pm
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Back Packer: Fred, weet jy, die onderstel was gebreek, as ook, en kaste binne, en deur kon nie meer toe nie en die body was ook nie meer vas aan onderstel nie, en glo my, ek het van Kroonstad (waar ongeluk gebeur het) reguit gery PE toe, my vakansie gaan geniet, terug gery PTA toe, en toe Februarie alles laat regmaak vir rofweg R28k. Ek het nie regtig probleme gehad voor die ongeluk nie, maar het maar 1 of 2 keer net warmbad toe gesleep, en kon nie regtig weet of die Mazda 6 fout het nie. Maar toe ek regte lang pad vat, toe crash alles. En van daar af was niks reg nie, na die regmaak, was alles beter, maar steeds nie 100 nie. Ek het gou met my Renault Megane die karavaan gesleep, nou ook nie lang afstand nie, maar voel tog beter as met Mazda 6, wat ek nie verstaan nie, die Mazda 6 is (veronderstel) om baie beter te wees..

Ek moet nou bynoem, die Mazda 6 het maar tow rating van 900kg, en die Megane 1000kg, alhoewel nie groot verskil nie, wonder ek maar. Renault het blykbaar ook reguit as agter teenoor onafhanklike suspensie op Mazda 6... Solo ry die Mazda 6 baie lekker, maar as jy 130 - 140 km/h tref dan moet jy stuur vashou, hy swaai bietjie op die pad, waar Renault baie stil is..

Ek weet nie watter model jou vriend het nie, ek het die 2012 Mazda 6. Ek verstaan die vorige reeks was baie beter as ek na ander ouens luister...

Ek wil graag met bakkie sleep en gevoel kry, ek het dit nou vandag gaan haal. Het rustig gery, en ek het by die huis gestop vanaand met 7.5l/100km gemiddelde verbruik (volgens rekenaar vir die wat skepties is). Vorige keer het ek 8.0l/100km gekry presies dieselfde trippie.. Ook foto geneem, maar die oplaai hiernatoe is vir ander dag se les.

Ek skryf vreeslik baie... Ek weet nou net nie na wie ek die karavaan weer moet vat dat hulle kyk nie, want glo my, Pretoria Karavane wil sommer die deur raam vir my reguit slaan met hammer... Ai tog, en net die kassies weet vasskroef. Ek het na ander spesialis geneem in Jhb, en die het my onder karavaan gewys dat ek baie gelukkig was om nog vakansie te hou, die body was los van onderstel, het aan genade vasgeklou. EN dis baie gevaarlik, kan groot ongeluk veroorsaak het. Onderstel is blykbaar goed reggemaak, het sommer uwe as gekry, ens. So ek het gehoop dis reg, maar jy het dalk iets hierso, HOE WEET EK DIE KARAVAAN IS WERKLIK REG? Nou koop ek m@@rse duur karre om probleem op te los wat dalk by karavaan le, moes dalk eerder nuwe karavaan koop of 100% laat regmaak het? Ek weet nie, en ongelukkig as ek af tydjie kry, wil ek gaan kamp of ontspan. Raak ongelukkig gou frustreerd as ek nonsens moet uitsorteer in die min tydjie wat jy het om te ontspan, maar nou ja, almal seker so!

 

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11 Jul 2014 @ 21:38:11 pm
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Swanie, ek sal maar moet kyk gaan daai drop plate nie myne ook dan te laag laat sak nie? Of dink jy dis net op jou karavaan? Weet jy dalk hoe ver jou haak sak as jy karavaan aanhaak? Ek weet myne is nou baie ligter, maar dit sal interessant wees?

Kan kyk, dalk werk dit, dalk nie? Probeer is beste geweer. Ek sal bietjie kyk of ek karavaan kan haak op bakkie en kyk hoeveel hy moet sak? Of laai maar die bak lekker swaar!!! Haha, grappie.

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12 Jul 2014 @ 08:01:15 am
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dibakie sak so 25 mm. dt is as ek klaar al my kamp goeters gelaai het.
Ek het bv hout tafels en nie plastiek nie

jy kan kom kyk

kontak my 0823 SWANIE

kry die vanaf nommers op telefoon 2=abc ens
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12 Jul 2014 @ 16:09:30 pm
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drop plate is 80 m/m
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12 Jul 2014 @ 17:29:06 pm
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Ja hoe nou, met ons ouens wat nie boffins is met die goed nie kan ons net probeer. Ek hoop met die bakkie is jou probleeme uitgeskakel.
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13 Jul 2014 @ 09:46:04 am
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Ja hoe nou, met ons ouens wat nie boffins is met die goed nie kan ons net probeer. Ek hoop met die bakkie is jou probleeme uitgeskakel.
Kyk, one way or the other, kamp gaan ek bly kamp, of dit nou beter kar was, en of ek nou moet kyk na ander karavaan, ek like my kamp en wil my kids ook so groot maak dat hul saam hul ouers gaan kamp en daai soort lewe ook kan geniet. Ek waardeer elkgeval jou insette, en dit het my weer laat dink om my perspektief weer te skuif na karavaan ook, want wie sÍ die ouens wat dit "reggemaak het", het dit werklik reg? Tog voel Renault stabiel, maar ek dink ek moet die hele setup weer bekyk en nou minder oor net die kar worry, en na die hele prentjie kyk Swanie, ek gaan probeer die week gou kyk hoeveel ek moet drop met bakkie se haak om karavaan level te kry, sal jou defnitief kontak. Is dit gate van die drop plate 80mm uitmekaar? OF wat is die afstand tussen gate? Waardeer!
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13 Jul 2014 @ 11:56:52 am
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Dit is die dop hoogte..
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13 Jul 2014 @ 18:50:48 pm
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dop - drop ?????????????
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13 Jul 2014 @ 20:42:15 pm
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Dop.. Drop... Makie sakie ;-) Dop hoogte van 80mm klink net lekker! Haha. EK sal gou bietjie kyk en terugkom na jou toe.
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14 Jul 2014 @ 06:38:29 am
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Kamp bly altyd lekker, net nie lekker om te stress terwy 'n ou soentoe of treug ry nie .

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15 Jul 2014 @ 23:29:25 pm
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Dis hoekom ek my dinge nou van voor af weer wil regkry soos dit voorheen was waar mens weer met vertroue die karavaan kan haak.. Kyk, daar is nou vrou en babatjie in die prentjie, so veiligheid is no. 1 op die lys.. So ek probeer nou alles (soos in nuwe sleepvoertuig gekoop, karavaan weer ondersoek, weer van voor af leer pak, nuwe bande, regte druk, "level sleep", nuwe yellow blade kry, "bokkies" stutte vir karavaan om wiele se las te dra as karavaan staan ens - en natuurlik laer spoed, al ry ek nou maar 80 is ook fine). Dis nou maar baie geld op die ou einde van die dag, maar soos ek sÍ: Veiligheid is nou no. 1.
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18 Jul 2014 @ 09:13:19 am
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Thank you for all the info and especially Leon for the comprehensive answers - I might have missed to say that I have the manual version and not the auto box.. And according to Ford/Mazda dealers the manual and auto have different towing capacities... I also believed in the yellow blade as I could feel the difference, but now after a big sway and basically had my caravan almost on its roof, I think the yellow blade I have is not functioning correctly anymore as I get sways the whole time now. Maybe buy a new one? Campworld? If not, where else?

I just wondered how the vehicle works as it as an automatic trailer sway control function?? I would probably still feel better to have a yellow blade anyways...

I might upgrade my expo to something bigger later as needs change, thus my concerns about towing capacity.

I believe I bought the correct vehicle for the price paid (also looked at the 2.5 Navara, but think the 3.2 BT-50 was my option, like it for an everyday drive as well)

I saw the 2 different drop plates at midas, there is a 6 hole and 4 hole drop plate... Maybe just first hook up the caravan to the bakkie, see how it looks, and then see by how much I must let the caravan nose decent to get the correct angle.. (Reason I asked, with the older bakkies a drop plate, in my opinion, looks just ugly and spoils the look of the vehicle, but if you have to, you have to...)

Dankie elkgeval, ek het baie beter idee, hou maar by 100 - 110, ek dink elkgeval my dae van 120 sleep is verby, dit maak net die brandstof rekening onnodig hoog.

Leon, is jou verbruik nie swaar oordat jy dalk ander bande en wiele op het nie? Dis moeilik eintlik, want elkeen se roetes verskil. Ek kry baie goeie verbruik op my bakkie, maar ek ry nie te veel in verkeer nie, en ek ry baie lig op brandstof, baie rustig op die pad, so my beste was 12km/l omgeveer 5uur die middag vanaf suid Jhb na Pretoria Noord op die N3 en ons het redelik baie gestaan in verkeer, maar baie rustig gery, so ek was impressed met dit vir 3.2 handrat. Automaties is ook swaarder - van my kliente kry ook 10km/l met hul Ford Rangers 3.2 handrat, maar auto is dalk bietjie swaarder?

 



Hi just saw this now, in the ranger manual it does not give differant tow ratings for manual and auto. It does give different ratings for the type of tow bar fitted. There is also a picture of the two. I can only presume one is for the european market as it is a goose neck removable type. This unit has a much lower rating because of where its mounted and its construction. The unit fitted standard to all the rangers here and I presume mazdas is classed as fords heavy duty tow package. The tow ball rating for my unit for eg. is 225Kg, the goose neck is 165Kg. Maybe this is where the confusion is coming in??
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18 Jul 2014 @ 11:17:41 am
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Ok just found another section in the manual.

I have found the problem so to speak. It has to do with the drive ratio of the bakkie. For example in the manual the 2.2 can tow 1800,2500 and 3350Kg depending on its drive ratio. In the manual is listed three drive ratio for the 2.2 and the 3.2 they are as follows:
3.31 can tow 1800kg
3.55 can tow 3350kg
The third ratio is not listed for some reason but the tow rating is 2500kg. The ratios and ratings are exactly the same for the 3.2 .
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18 Jul 2014 @ 11:36:05 am
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Oj here is the page in the owners manual. I am busy trying to get ford to tell me what ratio my DC has in it, as obviously there are three different units. However they are looking at me like I am stupid? Eish really. Looks like I will have to go to Ford head office.

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18 Jul 2014 @ 22:48:08 pm
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Do not worry - had similar experience with Mazda when I asked for mudflaps for my Mazda 6. They looked at it and said there is none available as I have the sports bumpers etc. Then on the mazda website I got the codes for the mudflaps for the sports bumpers... So the same guys telling me that there is none, and actually got bit frustrated with me, sold me the mudflaps! Now, the salesperson that sold the car to me, gives my number to clients who want mudflaps to help them, get the stuff, from them! (Them, I mean Mazda)

Your manual looks different than mine, mine shows that all 3.2's have a tow rating of 3350kg, but the vehicle brochure shows that the 4x2 manual does not, but only 1800kg? There is nothing in my manual about ratios though... I asked Mazda, but as I know, they probably looked at the brochure, and I do not know who and what to trust anymore.

I think this Ford/Mazda divorce must just get done with it, so who ever is taking over Mazda, can get their act together, else Mazda is in for a huge fall. At this stage, my feeling is not to buy a Mazda again and in future will look for something else? Want to get a Freestyle cab in a year or so, but as things seem now, will probably go the Toyota route - not perfect, but seems like the safer route.
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26 Jul 2014 @ 17:58:41 pm
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What a mission, the BT-50 is currently more at Mazda than with me!

Peter, I just found out the manual is useless, as specs in manual and specs in reality in SA differ like night and day. So I can not use the book.

The 3.2 manual can only tow 1800kg (according to specs brochure and dealer), although the manual states that all 3.2's can do 3350kg... So the manual is wrong in SA.. Manual also states car is equipped with ISOFIX, dealer principle did not even know what it was.. So again, manual is wrong.

Don't know what info to trust, can't really trust anyones word for it either.

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27 Jul 2014 @ 17:43:59 pm
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Ja i hear you, im fighting with ford now because the web and the manual says the ranger has isofix. So i bought the isofix car seat for my son. Come to fit it and no isofix. I last told ford they fit it or im opening a case of false advertising. Im so pd its not even funny. I checked the liceaense disk on my ranger GVM is 3200 . ? Also ford still cant tell me what the manual means by gear ratios? Weather that refers to diferant diffs or differant gearboxs. I mean honestly ?????
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29 Jul 2014 @ 07:38:57 am
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My manual also says ISOFIX, but not in the specs..

A lot of differences, which is a problem. The dealer principle did not even know what isofix was when I asked..

I know the 3,2 Ranger has isofix, so I expected it in my BT-50 as well, but no.. I do know the 2.2 Rangers does not have it in, that was confirmed by a friend..

I think that Mazda and Ford should have considered having simple things like that in the vehicles already, rather than saving a bit of money.
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24 Oct 2014 @ 19:08:12 pm
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Sjoe, het ek nou amper meer feedback as wat kan kom! Ek het vanmiddag vir eerste keer my karavaan gehaak en bietjie gesleep vir so 45km..

Die BT50 voel skaars karavaan, maar dit kon ons voorspel, ek idle eintlik met expo, en 5de rat is maar te kort teen 100 tot 110km/h.. kon nie help om maar na 6de te skuif nie, revs is ideaal en verbruik dadelik beter, al het die 3.2 genoeg krag teen bulte, sal ek maar terug gaan na laer rat vir veiligheid van ratkas.

Stabiliteit is goed, het sonder yellow blade gesleep, want ekt nog nie tyd of spasie gehad om op te sit nie. Het ook aanvanklik eers sonder drop plate vir eerste 8km gery, werk nie goed nie, haak is 150mm te hoog, so ekt gou iets gaan soek wat 150mm sak, het gekry en dadelik opgesit.. dadelik verskil gevoel, karavaan baie beter, neus nie meer so woes in die lug nie, so met pakkery gaan daai ekstra gewig karavaan presies level maak, maar verder gery, baie lekker..

ek vermoed tog elkgeval dat daa friction pads probleem is, maar karavaan was baie stabiel agter bakkie elkgeval vir die rit..

brandstof verbruik gaan nie akkuraat wees nie, volle gewig nie bereik nie, so natuurlik gaan die syfers nog te lig wys, was maar 9.2l/100km, sal op my kampnweek akkurater lesings kry..

My LED ligte flikker nie, dit werk 100% SONDER die converter, nes gewone gloeilampe sou.. so ekt darem nie converter nodig nie, dis darem ok..

so far, so good.. maar nog entjie om te gaan voor mens weer heel gemaklik sal wees.

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26 Oct 2014 @ 16:01:49 pm
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Pieter jy kan die yellowblade self diens. Haal uit mekaar. Maak skoon. Skuur die friction pads met growwe skuur papier. Maak seker daar is geen olie en blink kolle op nie. 

Sit aan mekaar en torque teen 30 of 60nm dink ek.  Nie nou seker wat daai versteling is nie.

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26 Oct 2014 @ 19:48:40 pm
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Thanks Leon, ek gaan bietjie kyk, ek het erens die regte torque syfer gehad, ek wonder net of die ding nie ook seergekry het nie... gaan alles maar check en probeer,hopelik kom dit reg..
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Leon, wat is die afstand vanaf die grond van jou Tipper se sleepbal. Ek het 'n T6 3.2 D/C en wil volgende naweek 'n Classique gaan haal. Dankie Leon.

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