Just saw a reply in another thread related to insane drivers which made me think of the question how many caravaners move over the yellow line when a car approaches from behind.
The roadway on the shoulder is normally more bumpy than the driving lane due to so many of the trucks driving there that I usually avoid it. Only if I see I'm holding up a queue of three or so cars will I attempt to move over and I can see far ahead that there are no obstructions. With my van being 2.5m wide I need to carefull not to slip off the edge of the road onto the gravel.
I see lots of drivers get very agressive if you don't - as if it's their right of way and you MUST move over. We even had a guy once after passing us slam on his brakes after passing.
Only if the road conditions allow it and I can see far ahead. Never in mist,rain and at night.
I also pull over when save, but the Fortuner 4l v6 i keep up with the flow of trafic
Hou ook nie baie van links van die geel lyn ry nie. In die meeste gevalle is die pad oppervlak maar sleg.
Sal dit slegs doen indien 100% veilig en goeie sig vorentoe.
Agree - travelling in the yellow lane is dangerous.
For those that do, even if the road ahead appears to be clear, just hope you don't blow a tyre on something you could not see - I have had a blow out there! Fortunately, still managed to control the rig!
The edge of the road is usually where the debris/garbage ends up from vehicles.
TRAVEL IN THE YELLOW LINES AT YOUR OWN PERIL!
If you go to "News", (Top of page) and see "Practical Advice" under News Broadcast System on the left of the page, click on "Driving and Towing" then click "More practical advice" once or twice.
You will find an article - In the Yellow lane - written by Jan Heyneke (The Predident of CCSA) a few years ago with regards the law and driving in the yellow lane.
There are also a few more aspects with regards towing here.
My take on it is simple. Regardless of what others think, I find that I am less stressed if I just move over and let people past. Does'nt matter if it is one car or more.
Obviously only when I have a clear view for a good few hundred meters and it is safe to do so. I tend to do what Cowan does and align the yellow line with my steering wheel. This avoids the worst of the debris on the edge.
I think a lot of the frustration drivers get is that they A/. Cannot see past the van to overtake and B/. Don't know how to.
I have noticed it with the missus when she wants to overtake a truck or van etc. They get too close behind so no vision, and when starting the overtake maneuver the speed is fairly slow. If people left a decent gap you can see properly and accelerate roperly to get past quickly and safely.
I find when people in slower/big vehicles refuse to move even slightly over, it ends up creating a situation where some fool loses patience and tries to overtake in a bad situation. Myself, I would rather not have flashing lights and gestures in my rearview. Tends to make me a bit tetchy, so I jsut move over as often as I can.
Well stated Andrew - that's the correct attitude.
Only one thing - I WILL NOT overtake another vehicle in front of me with my caravan on tow on a downhill. As far as I'm concerned, this is the number one "looking for trouble" situation. The vehicle you are overtaking with your caravan on tow is inevitably starting to accellerate downhill, and this is a NO NO situation for overtaking.
For the past ten years I towed an average of 25 000km per year! I think by now I have got my towing "merrit" badge!
I fully agree with Andrew - I only move over into the yellow lane if visability is at lease 300 - 500 meters clear view ahead! No curves, uphill or down grade blind spots or debris visible - then also with my steering wheel aligned with the yellow lane!
Safe towing everyone.
Well said Andrew. My van is very wide and its probably more dangerous for people to get upset and try to overtake where its not safe than it is for me to create the space for them to pass safely.
Of course you take your own safety first and only move over when you can - stands to reason. In thousands of km's of towing, its the potholes in the middle of the road that have caused the blowouts, and if your rig is towing well its never an issue to keep control
Obeying the law of the road is non-negotiable, and every motorist should be familiar with what the legal implications are of stepping out of line. Along with traffic laws comes a host of uncertainty, and it’s wise to know your rights. A common topic among motorists is the rules regarding travelling in the emergency lane, or inside the yellow line. When are you permitted to use it, are you obliged to move into the yellow lane if a vehicle wants to pass you on an open road, or are you within your right to continue your steady path?
The answer is simple, and clearly laid out in Regulation 298A of the National Road Traffic Act which refers to yellow lines. Legally, the only time you are allowed to use the emergency lane is if you have a real emergency, such as if your car breaks down, if you are rushing to the hospital, or need to stop immediately in the event of a medical emergency. On a freeway, the emergency lane is reserved for emergencies only like fire-fighting vehicles, emergency response vehicles, rescue vehicles and ambulances, so if you need to use it then the purpose needs to be for the same kind of reasons. Using the emergency lane as a “passing lane” on a freeway is not permitted at all.
The only exception for normal motorists is if you are travelling on a single carriageway road with one lane in each direction. In this case it is permitted to move into the emergency lane to allow faster moving cars to pass you. However, the Act clearly states that if you are moving aside to allow vehicles to pass, you can only do so during daytime hours, which means between sunrise and sunset. By law you are required to make sure that you have at least 150m of visibility ahead before you move over, so under no circumstances can you slip into the yellow line on a blind rise. Likewise, on an open road, if there is heavy rain, mist or fog that hinders visibility, the emergency lane is out of bounds as you may hit a stationery vehicle, or worse, a
I hear what you say about the Law. Which is correct. However, I have stated previously that I drive average 10 000km/month on Limpopo roads, Gauteng and once a month North West. Therefor I think I have an fair idea as to what is going on on the roads.
For the past 4 years (480 000km), I have never came across any emergency vehicle using the "emergency lane" Yes I have seen Taxi's using this lane to overtake. Now we all know that is plain Stupid. During heavy fog or rain, you get the "more than stupid ones" that simply stop in the middel of the road. Then I pass them on the E/lane.
Seen on more than one occation trucks driving @ 40km/h up Ysterberg and the been overtaken by another truck doing 42km/h with a wide "emergency lane" available. Now this is on a road where we have those "BLACK MONSTERS with Blue Lights" . (obviously within the legal speed limit) I see nothing wrong with these trucks using the "e/lane" And especially at night because, yes, they do not have tailights!!
The only time that I will not use the Emergency Lane when towing, is when it have a Red Line.
Just my 2c opinion.
I have seen a lot of emergency vehicles using the emergency lane.....IN CITY LIMITS. Never on the open road.
I do confess that my patience is tested when you end up playing "tag" with someone. Happens on every long trip.
Strangely, it is almost always a Hyundai Atos, foot thru the floorboards they will overtake on a downhill...I catch up on the flat, and have to overtake him/her uphill or lose my momentum. After 2 or 3 of those I add a little speed for 10 k's and get rid of them.
What Swanie has posted is absolutely correct. Swanie has taken the information directly from the "AA Legal Eagle" which is found on the Automobile Association of South Africa's website.
No intention to hi-jack the thread, but also relates to yellow lane driving.
Travel on the N12 west of Johannesburg - the emergency vehicles weave in and out of the yellow and normal lanes, NOT IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, on a daily basis, creating havoc and panic.
Many cars are forced to suddenly brake or swerve to avoid them.
When you do give way, for them to overtake, they travel slowly in front holding up the traffic.
They misuse their lights - some travel normally and when they want to overtake in the yellow lane, that blue light comes on and switched off again when passed.
Others drive up your "RS" with that blinding light, even when you are in the left lane and nothing in the yellow or faster lane.
At the Zuurbekom robot, they set a nice example to others by turing right from the third lane from the right, being straight only. Less than a kilometer further they pull off vehicles at random, whilst they could rather attend to the more dangerous robot, known for serious accidents.
When they are on strike, it is actually a pleasure to drive, as the traffic flows freely!
What you sid is absolutely correct. You will notice that your more "experienced" driver (caravanners) will read the road conditions. You do not need a degree to realize that a truck in front of you are going to cause a "traffic jam". In these conditions, I slow down and let the "faster" traffic pass me untill it is safe for me to pass without putting myself, or other road users in danger.
One should think this is "common sence" but unfortunately is don't seems so!
One should think this is "common sence" but unfortunately is don't seems so!
Unfortunately most drivers out there don't use that too often
Hell David, you guys up there in the Gauteng province have my sympathies, sounds like hell-on wheels on the highways. it's no wonder that so many head down to the coast - to escape the mayhem and to recover and recharge. I think I would become so stressed out if I were to live up there! It must be pretty hair raising towing a caravan or boat on those highways, as most motorists seem to travel in excess of 140kph all around you. We also have our fair share of ass-hole drivers down here as well - I think that's what caused me to go grey at such a young age.
Keeps following motorists happy, they even greet you with a wave when passing.
A thread was done a while ago about yellow line driving. I will never travel in the yellow line, as this is generally where you get the punctures and trust me YOU do not want to have one whilst towing. Besides I'm too quick for the yellow line driving, I'm overtaking.
Suggestion...a few years back CaravanParks.Com sent out some bumper stickers. How about a new bunch with the CP branding and "Yellow Line Driving only when SAFE' as per Reg.
Would happily order one.
Excellent idea, Reg - gonna get me one of them signs for my van. Thanks for that
I am getting one for the front on my Bakkie. It will say " move over coming through ".
Just something I learn't here in Limpopo....
When you approach unsafe conditions....donkeys, donkeys, donkeys, goats, monkeys etc. Put you hazards on. Then the guys behind you can see something is about to happen.
(PS don't do it in Gauteng.. they don't even know what indicators are)
My feeling is, if you care about your own safety, you will also consider other's safety.
Therefore I will go to the yellow line if I can see 1km and daytime only also only on straights no invline or declines.
No need to enrage the already road hogs.
It is the 'Fast-and-furious' whom are responsible for all the accidents on the roads today
Nice ideas floating around here.
I also, when still caravanning, if the road conditions/visiblity allowed, pulled over, but frequently found it difficult to return to normal drive lane.
Nowaydays I travel without van, sometimes with luggage trailer at speed of 120, and, if road conditions.visibility is good, still give way, BUT, don't come behind me with lights flickering!!! you may well get a finger sign, (I must tell that i don't have right index finger any more, and then you will realise what I mean!!!)
It is still your choice to make way, and if you are on speedlimit as set, no one can force you to make way.
So, next time you pass me, watch for the finger!!!!
By the way - sometimes a quick acknowledgement to the moron flashing his lights behind you, by means of a wave or use of the indicators (not the finger ) that you are aware that he wants to overtake can alleviate a some of the reckless and agressive driving.
Never thaught about that, I will definately use my hazards in future, hope they understand. I am am to skinny to use the finger hahaha.
He-he-he. I thought I would get reaction on the finger gesture!!!!, no, I will not show finger, although I do really have only 4 left on RIGHT hand!!!
I am also to old to get into road rage fight!!!!