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03 Feb 2015 @ 06:20:43 am
Fabba
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Hi all

Im thinking of upgrading my towing vehicle later this year.
Been driving DC-bakkies for quite a while an looking at SUV
i was thinking of a Toyota Rav-4 (2008-2010)
i've read a few reviews in my search but will love to year from you who might owe this type of vehicle and with your personal experiences.
My Van is A Gypsey 1990 (as in signature pic)

My current car : Isuzu 300lx 2004 (112kw)

The Rav-4 will be a 2.2D (100kw)
Do what you must !!
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03 Feb 2015 @ 06:54:19 am
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Also look at torque figures, not just kW... also gears on bakkies better, and if you upgrade your caravan at some stage, might be worth having the dc bakkie?

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03 Feb 2015 @ 07:35:09 am
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Kyk ook na die gewig van karavan vs voertuig. Sterkte met jou besluit
Haak daai wa kamp bly koning
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03 Feb 2015 @ 08:00:42 am
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Fabian

Yip Karavaan se GVM en vortuig se Tare, die GVM moet wettig kleiner wees as die Tare.

As die verskil +80% kleiner is soveel te beter.

Sterkte en hou ons op hoogte.

Oppad na die volgende kamp.
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03 Feb 2015 @ 08:27:54 am
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Ek dink die RAV gaan dalk te lig wees en as jy later n groter wa aanskaf sit jy weer met n probleem. Gaan groot, Kia Sorento, Hyundai Santafe, BMW X5, Merc ML, VW Tuareg ens.

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03 Feb 2015 @ 09:07:57 am
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The RAV4 2.2 has good specs. Torque = 340 nm.

GCM = 4170 kg

GVM = 2170 kg

Towing capacity = 2000 kg according to the manufacturers specs. Better than the Mazda BT-50 that has a towing capacity of 1800 kg according to the manufacturers specs.

Go for it Fabba!

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03 Feb 2015 @ 09:23:44 am
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Forgot to mention. A friend used to tow his Gypsy Regal all over SA with a RAV-4. Never had a problem. Sadly a tree at Golden Gate fell on the car otherwise he would still have had it.

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03 Feb 2015 @ 09:28:50 am
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The RAV4 2.2 has good specs. Torque = 340 nm.

GCM = 4170 kg

GVM = 2170 kg

Towing capacity = 2000 kg according to the manufacturers specs. Better than the Mazda BT-50 that has a towing capacity of 1800 kg according to the manufacturers specs.

Go for it Fabba!

Remember that the towing capacity of the manufacturer and the Legal towing capacity in South Africa is 2 different things. See the post from Wilsur

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03 Feb 2015 @ 09:35:21 am
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Ons het met ons 2.0 Kyron die Classique die wereld vol gesleep en sy Tare was 1920kg en met 320Nm.

Baie lekker gesleep.

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03 Feb 2015 @ 09:37:28 am
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Remember that the towing capacity of the manufacturer and the Legal towing capacity in South Africa is 2 different things. See the post from Wilsur

Agreed. But if the GCM on the VIN plate is not exceeded on the weightbridge then it should be legal??

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03 Feb 2015 @ 09:48:33 am
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Agreed. But if the GCM on the VIN plate is not exceeded on the weightbridge then it should be legal??

Nee, eerste is die GVM moet kleiner wees as die voertuig se Tare en dan die "combined mass"

 

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03 Feb 2015 @ 09:57:10 am
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Ai Fabian dit is altyd lekker om by so punt in mens se lewe uit te kom. Lekker soek na die nuwe sleep voertuig. En plaas fotos sodra jy hom het.

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03 Feb 2015 @ 10:01:45 am
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Dan maak Toyota 'n wanvoorstelling.undecided

OK Fabba. Dit bly 'n lekker sleep voertuig maar jou wa se GVM mag nie 1630kg oorskry nie. Steeds 'n groot verskeidenheid woonwaens om van te kies sou jy later wou groter gaan.

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03 Feb 2015 @ 10:18:30 am
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Hallo Hendrik

There seem to be some misconceptions. The gcm is the legally allowable gross combination mass.

WilSur is correct.

If you tow an unbraked trailer, the gvm of the trailer may not exceed 750 kg, provided it does not exceed 50% of the tare weight of the tow car. If your car's tare is 1200 kg, you may only tow 600kg unbraked weight.

With an EB licence, you may tow a braked trailer or caravan, provided the tare of the tow car exceeds the gvm of the trailer or caravan. However, if the trailer or caravan has an additional service brake rather than an overrun brake, you may tow something heavier than the tare weight. This is where gcm comes in. However, I have yet to see a trailer or caravan with such brakes in South Africa.

The manufacturer's tow rating is an indication of what the vehicle is capable of dealing with, irrespective of the legalities. If you exceed that, you will run into warranty problems. In addition, it may be argued that you were negligent in exceeding the manufacturer's ratings if something goes wrong. If a manufacturer says, car XYZ can tow 1500 kg and you crash, any lawyer worth his salt will argue that you knew you could only tow that weight and the car was not designed to control or brake with anything heavier. This would be in spite of the fact that it may for instance legally tow 2000 kg (Think heavy underpowered vehicle). Just to illustrate with an example. You may know the speed limit is 120 km/h on a freeway and that is the speed you may legally drive there. However, if vision is restricted due to smoke or mist and you crash at that speed, you will be held liable.

Just check to ensure you rely on the tare weight of any vehicle used for towing. The empty weight or kerb weight provided by manufacturers is not the same thing, as they include the weight of a driver, fluids and a tank of fuel. I very nearly fell into that trap, as the empty weight of the Fortuner was in excess of 1900 kg. I felt the Exclusive comfortably fell into the legal weight category, until I realised the Fortuner's actual tare weight was only 1765 kg. Fortunately we were just legal with 65 kg, as we have one of the lighter Exclusives around.

 

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03 Feb 2015 @ 10:59:03 am
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Wat jy ookal besluit om te koop geniet hom, ek so n Fortuner gekoop het laughing

How great is our GOD
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03 Feb 2015 @ 11:19:08 am
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Considering what you will pay for the Rav, you will get far better value and pay less if you look at something like a Hyundai Sante Fe @ 145Kw / 436Nm.

Jeep may be an option, along with a Sorento. You may even come right with a Pathfinder.

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03 Feb 2015 @ 11:44:57 am
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Die RAV sal lekker sleep met die D4D.

Mens gaan die karavaan meer voel agter hom eerder as die bakkie, want hy is ligter as die bakkie en sy remme dalk nie so skerp nie.

Die kompakte SUV's is heel naby geprys aan die bakkie-gebasseerde SUV's soos Fortuner.

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03 Feb 2015 @ 12:36:51 pm
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Die Kyron is vervang met die Korando en ek hou ook van sy shape ?

ssangyong korando 2.0d 4x2 high at specifications

ssangyong korando 2.0d 4x2 high at Make Model Variant Price Release Date Discontinued Date
ssangyong
korando
2.0d 4x2 high at
R 354,995
201311
Still in production
Gross Laden Mass Height Licencing Mass
2180
1710
1611
Power Output Torque
129kw@4000
360nm@2000

 

Oppad na die volgende kamp.
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03 Feb 2015 @ 12:39:39 pm
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Die nuwe Korando is beter lyk my ?

Korando Technical Specifications

Oppad na die volgende kamp.
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03 Feb 2015 @ 12:57:07 pm
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Just be careful of specifications alone. Do research on the internet. Test drive the car. Research availability of dealerships and enquire about their service. Often one finds that manufacturer A has an excellent dealership in your area, while the reputation of manufacturer B is poor. In another town the situation might well be reversed. It often depends on the management and the quality of their service staff. It is always a big decision that you may have to live with for a long time. Even worse, one may end up being stuck with a dud purchase.

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03 Feb 2015 @ 13:05:53 pm
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Netso Hans

 

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03 Feb 2015 @ 13:15:32 pm
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My wife just reminded me :"where you going to put the freezer ,wood and al your fishing equipment"....so basically i'm stuck with DC-bakkies.lol

She love the Isuzu as our previous car was also an Isuzu so the next one must be the same.Sometimes i have to agree with her.(rolling eyes)

300 LX Dteq here we come.Thanks so much for all your valuable contributions and expertise..its really appreciated..i love this forum !!!
Do what you must !!
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03 Feb 2015 @ 13:20:25 pm
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Good choice.

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03 Feb 2015 @ 13:58:45 pm
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My wife just reminded me :"where you going to put the freezer ,wood and al your fishing equipment"....so basically i'm stuck with DC-bakkies.lol

She love the Isuzu as our previous car was also an Isuzu so the next one must be the same.Sometimes i have to agree with her.(rolling eyes)

300 LX Dteq here we come.Thanks so much for all your valuable contributions and expertise..its really appreciated..i love this forum !!!

...... and better than those Chinese cr@p suggested!

During our last camp in Elands River Valley a camper had this latest Korando and he was MOST unhappy with this. Towing a Sprite of 900 kgs and he absolutely BATTLED uphills in Mpumalanga according to him. Interestingly another camper had a Scorpio and he was complaining bitterly about his power AND brakes - he felt that the caravan had to brake his vehicle else it would run over a couple of cliffs. No thank you, rather stay witth the better known makes!!

 

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03 Feb 2015 @ 15:28:11 pm
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Was 'n voorstel vir ander opsies nie noodwendig dit nie.

Met die Kyron het ons van Drakensville berg op gegaan met die classique met geen probleem nie, 'n Isuzu met kleiner karavaan het warm geword, so ook op ander plekke en hy was Auto gewees.

Oppad na die volgende kamp.
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03 Feb 2015 @ 16:08:35 pm
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The RAV4 2.2 has good specs. Torque = 340 nm.

GCM = 4170 kg

GVM = 2170 kg

Towing capacity = 2000 kg according to the manufacturers specs. Better than the Mazda BT-50 that has a towing capacity of 1800 kg according to the manufacturers specs.

Go for it Fabba!

volgens kar se boekiese specs is dit bt50 auto and manual 3350kg tow rating, en nie 1800kg nie.. en volgens die brosjure alleenlik het die manual 1800kg tow rating, maar ek kannie eerlike antwoord uit mazda kry nie, want oral elders in die wereld is beide 3350kg tow rating...

 

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03 Feb 2015 @ 20:32:35 pm
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Hulle gooi jou omtrent toe met die specks. Black almal se bubble en vat die Fortuner. Sterkte
As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

Die jonge Fransies. (Parys - Frankryk)
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03 Feb 2015 @ 21:50:13 pm
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Mens sou sweer hier is n  paar verkoopsmanne onder ons

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03 Feb 2015 @ 22:08:39 pm
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My pa se voertuig is beter......issie my pa se voertuig is beter as jou pa syne.
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04 Feb 2015 @ 09:48:12 am
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is nie, jyne is !

Oppad na die volgende kamp.
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04 Feb 2015 @ 10:02:51 am
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Faba, die klomp verkoops manne het jou nou gekonfuse, luister nou na goeie raad, ek praat van ondervinding, Gaan koop vir jou 'n sleep voertuig....niks gaan 'n Massey Ferguson of 'n John Deer beat nie genoeg krag, maar stadig gaan jy sleep.laughing

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04 Feb 2015 @ 10:10:10 am
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...... and better than those Chinese cr@p suggested!

During our last camp in Elands River Valley a camper had this latest Korando and he was MOST unhappy with this. Towing a Sprite of 900 kgs and he absolutely BATTLED uphills in Mpumalanga according to him. Interestingly another camper had a Scorpio and he was complaining bitterly about his power AND brakes - he felt that the caravan had to brake his vehicle else it would run over a couple of cliffs. No thank you, rather stay witth the better known makes!!

 

I drive a 2004 Mahindra Scorpio 2.6 TDI, I towed a Caravette 6 until December 2014 when I traded it for a Penta. I could tow the Caravette easily at highway legal speed, not that that is my usual towing speed, But I could if I had to. So the Scorpio has enough power for a Medium sized 800kg van. The Penta is a different beast and I am not getting close to legal high way speed with this in tow, but I can sit at 100km/ph in 4th the whole day on a flat road.

Lets talk brakes, or the lack thereoff. The pre-facelift Mahindra Scorpio had bad brakes, period. After the facelift they upgraded to booster, bigger rotors and dual pod calipers and ABS.

I upgraded my brakes to the facelift model brakes and I can tell you, I can now stop that 2tons in just over 3 seconds at highway speed. This is a worthwile upgrade on the old Scorpio.

If you want a DC Bakkie, have a look at the 2.2 110kw Mahindra Scorpio pickup. It has decent power, should be legal to tow almost anything and is super affordable. And they are very fuel ifficient. 

I can tell you now, the day Mahindra puts to 140kw 2.2 MHawk motor in the Scorpio, I am buying one. I love my Scorpio and will surely by one again. Very good value for money.

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04 Feb 2015 @ 10:13:01 am
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Faba, die klomp verkoops manne het jou nou gekonfuse, luister nou na goeie raad, ek praat van ondervinding, Gaan koop vir jou 'n sleep voertuig....niks gaan 'n Massey Ferguson of 'n John Deer beat nie genoeg krag, maar stadig gaan jy sleep.laughing



hahahaha..ek laaik.Elkeen het maar sy eie opinie.Soos gewoontlik is "sy kar die beste"

Soos genoem ,ek het gister gaan kyk na "n KB300 lx Dteq (auto) en gaan vandag na 'n manual een kyk
Do what you must !!
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04 Feb 2015 @ 10:24:28 am
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Auto sleep vir my baie beter, 6 spoed nog beter maar die bakkies is maar skaars in dit.

Oppad na die volgende kamp.
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04 Feb 2015 @ 10:34:56 am
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Faba, die Isuzu bakkies is miskien nie vir speed freaks nie, maar daai bakkies kannie nie klaar raak nie. 

Geniet die een wat jy ook al op besluit, dis tog wat belangrik is. Ek stem met out ratkas, maar dan weer, ek is luilaughing

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04 Feb 2015 @ 11:15:05 am
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Nico, I must need my eyes checked, I did'nt see any Chinese brands suggested??

Fabian, I will say this...I know exactly what you are concerned about. I went from a sequence of D/C bakkies down to a mid-size SUV...with a smallish boot. I had to change the way I packed but I can tell you this much. I manage to fir a full tent, spare wheel, toolbox and a Waeco Coolfun Fridge in the boot, without any effort.

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04 Feb 2015 @ 17:47:17 pm
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Hi Marius, What is the Nms of the Scorpio, I have a Tata 2.2 DICOR, and this tows my Penta without any hassle. Some guys will crucify me, because I drive at 120kms with ease.

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04 Feb 2015 @ 23:32:33 pm
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You guys just don't give up. Fabba has decided on the Isuzu. Point.wink

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05 Feb 2015 @ 07:46:11 am
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Hi Marius, What is the Nms of the Scorpio, I have a Tata 2.2 DICOR, and this tows my Penta without any hassle. Some guys will crucify me, because I drive at 120kms with ease.

Hi Soren, I think the 2.2 TATA has way more NM than my old tractor engine. The 2.6 Scorpio has 81Kw and 265Nm, not much for a big displacement engine, but again, they are also not stressing this engine and it will run many more miles. 

I do suspect that my engine is down on power due to I suspect a stretched timing chain causing the diesel timing to be retarded. I am unable to set the pump timing to the factory spec. The pump cannot turn far enough on the engine block. If you understand how a manual pump diesel works, you will know that you adjust the timing by rotating the pump.

When I have time I will have to jump the chain one tooth on the pump and set the timing correctly. Hopefully this will regain my lost horses and get the fuel consumption back where it used to be.

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05 Feb 2015 @ 10:04:53 am
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Nico, I must need my eyes checked, I did'nt see any Chinese brands suggested??

Fabian, I will say this...I know exactly what you are concerned about. I went from a sequence of D/C bakkies down to a mid-size SUV...with a smallish boot. I had to change the way I packed but I can tell you this much. I manage to fir a full tent, spare wheel, toolbox and a Waeco Coolfun Fridge in the boot, without any effort.

Andrew, ja, sorry. BUT, with Indian sort of equal to the Chinese, and them all with poorly copied bodies (old Isuzu's et al) and 30 year old GM and Mercedes Benz engines, I still stand by my comment. There is a good proverb in Afrikaans which says it all: " Vinkel en Koljander, die een is maar soos die ander"

In CAR magazine, during a test of these vehicles, a comment was made: "ANY other second vehicle at the same price as a new one of this (make escapes me now, think it was a Mahindra), will be a better choice ....."

I rest my case!

Regards

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06 Feb 2015 @ 13:08:52 pm
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Fabian! ! ! ! Ford my ou maat. Moenie sukkel met die ander nie. 'n Isak so so kan nog gaan maar bly weg van daai ambeie af.

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06 Feb 2015 @ 13:15:19 pm
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lol.... Leon
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06 Feb 2015 @ 13:34:25 pm
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Het jy gesien daar is nou 'n Ambei op die mark 45 jaar oud.

 

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06 Feb 2015 @ 14:07:25 pm
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Fabba

Eks terleurgesteld.

Sien ek het Blou Bul hemp gekoop. Isuzu is een van die borge op die skouer. Hel ek kan hom mos nie in n HILUX dra nie.

Kom Oupa Grumps leer jou nou reg. Daars net een voertuig wat jou wa kan sleep.......hoe se hulle?........ALLES REG ALTYD REG........?????

Gelukkig vir die vrou n Cheetah trui gekoop. Toytjie borg hulle!

At last !!!!
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06 Feb 2015 @ 14:11:15 pm
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Leon, ja....daar is aambeie wat 45 jaar oud is.....net een verskil.

Hulle word nie elke 2 jaar uitgehaal nie.....hahahahahahaha

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06 Feb 2015 @ 14:13:58 pm
Grumpy/Hannes
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Kyk alle grappies op n stokkie.

As jy wil upgrade.... kry n company kar. Nooit weer worry oor water, olie en lug in die tyres nie. Word nie gewas nie en laasjaar se sout en asyn tjips le nog op agter seat.

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06 Feb 2015 @ 14:31:19 pm
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hahahahah...as en net 'n job gehad het, ja.Ek het 'n Toyota 2.8D gehad.Sleep my Caravette 4 een dag oor Sir Lowries Pass en blaas top gasket. Doen duur herstelwerk verkoop .Koop toe Isuzu..so Daai naam spook nog by my..
Do what you must !!
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07 Feb 2015 @ 12:01:27 pm
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Fabba

Eks bly jy vat dit in so goeie gesindheid.

Kyk jare tug tug het dinge so gewerk:

Jy ondersteun Bulle en ry VW

Jy ondersteun WP en ry Toyota

Nou ja : VW het tans nog nie n Bakkie op die mark nie. Hulle karretjies nie te bad nie....... dienste plain pateties. Maar soos Naas sal se..........On the other hand.....BLY DIE BULLS Tops!!!

Ek het 4 jaar ge-rep met Isuzu 2.5. Het nou nog letsel in my rug daaroor.

Nou....5.5 jaar met Toyta 550 000km. En dit in Limpopo!!!! Sonder ENIGE probleme. Sal ek vir myself n Toytz koop? Ja beslis. 3lt Fortuner. Vir my vrou.....nee nooit. Het gaan kyk na Etios Cross........sy ry nou Suzuki Swift.

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25 Feb 2015 @ 20:29:05 pm
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Isuzu it is..
Do what you must !!
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25 Feb 2015 @ 20:32:40 pm
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Fabba,baie geluk met jou aankope,baie veilige kilos en baie kampe,geniet.
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25 Feb 2015 @ 20:44:03 pm
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Faba, baie geluk met die Ousuzi, hulle het nie einde nie, miskien bietjie stadig, maar hou aan en aan en......

Lekker sleep en kamp 'n brak uit 'n tak.

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