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need assistance with towing as we are new at this

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15 Jan 2019 @ 12:30:58 pm
Marianne78
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HI all

We need some advice please. We are new to towing a caravan so we are not sure if we are doing things right or not.

We have a Sprite Super Sport Caravan that we bought second hand. We were given a trapezium and stabiliser bar with the caravan. We tow it with a 2 litre automatic Honda CRV. We found that the caravan would sway a lot in the wind and when vehicles would pass us. We understand that there will be some sway but the caravan was swaying a lot. We never went above 110km/h and that was only on the downhills. drove mostly between 80 - 100km/h.

We are not sure if the weight distribution was incorrect or if there is something with the trapezium and/or stabiliser bar that could be a problem. IS there anyone that could advise us perhaps please?

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15 Jan 2019 @ 13:14:11 pm
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Marianne,  welcome on the forum.

If you look on the left side of the screen and scroll up or down you will find a heading "Search the Forums" Type in "Karavaan wat swaai"

It will bring up a previous discussion on your problem. it is all set out very accurately.

 

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15 Jan 2019 @ 13:28:53 pm
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Do you have the EG licence to pull a caravan? a caravan sways when it is packed incotecly more wight in front  and not at the back.

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15 Jan 2019 @ 13:40:52 pm
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Wat is jou band druk? Ek het Desember ook die probleem gehad dat my kombinasie swing as iemand my verby steek....selfs op 90km/h. Toe ek die bande stywer pomp was probleem opgelos. Karavaan en sleepvoertuig bande.

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15 Jan 2019 @ 15:11:29 pm
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HI  my Dad was towing and he has the correct licence. It was the first time any of us have ever towed a carava. We had a lot of advice beforehand but found that there was a lot more swaying than there should have been. The trapezium was mounted 400mm from the ground but we found it was too low. we moved it back to the original towbar height on the trip back and found it much better. we checked the weight on the towbar and it was always between 70 to 100kg. we couldn't pack too much on the axle as the fridge and cupboards were there so tried to pack everything spread out. is this what we should do or should we pack it differently?

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15 Jan 2019 @ 15:18:00 pm
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Hi Marianne. welcome.

As Chris mentioned, you can find plenty of hints in older posts regarding the swaying problem.  Most times the cause is a combination of weight distribution and tyre pressure.

Is your Trapezium working correctly? There is a locking pin on the unit which is only used if towing a trailer etc without the bar. If you need the manual, drop me an e-mail at:

d g r e e n @ w e b a f r i c a -.- o r g -.- z a  ( no spaces or "-" ) - I have a copy of the manual in pdf format.

Been there--done it. ( Talking about the bathroom )
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15 Jan 2019 @ 15:20:13 pm
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Do you know what the tyre pressue was of the caravan and towing vehicle? 

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15 Jan 2019 @ 15:20:46 pm
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The lighter items you can pack at the pack, but the heavier items over still and to the front. Remember that it doesnt really matter to spread out the weight too much away from the axle is the weigth is still carried by the axle.

Except if you have a lot of weight at the front then some are also carried by the vehicle.

What I can suggest, is get the heavy stuff away from the rear. Pack a few heavy things in the car as well of you can. 

There might be other problems as well with the caravan. There might be a damaged chassis or axle or something causing instability..

I had that with my previous caravan where it towed like a dream up to even 140km/h at quick times of passing a truck etc, but after a heavy sway and almost rolling the van it got damaged and no matter what I tried I could not go over 80km/h and the van would become unstable.

Maybe let your caravan also get checked professionally to maybe see if there is another issue hiding underneath


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15 Jan 2019 @ 15:43:40 pm
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we had 6 people in the towing car and a few very small odds and ends. but the weight in the car was about 400kg in total between the 6 people. is this too light to counter the caravan? should we add more weight to the car?

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15 Jan 2019 @ 17:16:58 pm
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There are so many things that could be a problem.  Search the forums:

Trapezium.  stability.  swaying. packing.  load.  tyre. pressure. etc. and also in Afrikaans.

 

To add to the other suggestions:

1.  Very important, ensure the trapezium is setup correctly.  Especially alignment.  There are many posts on trepazium setup. maybe see a dealer if necessary.  get that manual offered earlier.

2.  If that is a FWD (not the AWD) car ensure that it does NOT have a load in the boot.  The six people plus the van on the hitch may be be lifting the front wheels off the ground resulting in them losing directional stability which means they do not keep the car going in the direction the tyres are pointed (ie straight, if swaying is happening) and "float" on the road surface.  So the van pushes the car from side to side at the back then the front wheels get pushed around.  Can still happen with AWD but worse if only FWD.

3.  I would not load more weight into the car to solve the problem.  Max GVM of van must not be more than tare of car.

4.  I tow with a FWD Xtrail and i load no heavy items in the boot to avoid my front end lifting excessively.

5.  The van must be slightly nose down or level when you are hitched.  Never nose up.

 

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15 Jan 2019 @ 18:06:55 pm
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on the caravan side 3bar

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15 Jan 2019 @ 20:19:14 pm
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we had 6 people in the towing car and a few very small odds and ends. but the weight in the car was about 400kg in total between the 6 people. is this too light to counter the caravan? should we add more weight to the car?

Although the weight of the car should be as high as possible it should also be within limits. If you talki about 6 already in the car then no, do not add too much more weight to the car.. Rather have the caravan maybe checked... 

Check also the distance from the one wheel to the tow ball and the other to be the same. Have found a few caravans here and there where the distance (on NEW vans) weren't even the same....

The van should not just sway even without the stabiliser. The stabiliser should just counteract any sudden movements in my opinion, but it helps usually. But the van should be ok even without a stabiliser first..

I have towed with and without my stabiliser and there is hardly a difference. I believe the difference comes in with trucks and passing cars...

 


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15 Jan 2019 @ 20:49:29 pm
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Ek het self al gesleep met n IX35 en n Sprite Super Sport. Daardie karavane sleep fantasties agterna. Paar duisend kilo's gedoen nog nooit n probleem gehad  Maat van my het ook Desember vir die eerste keer gesleep en ook met n Super Sport, baie happy.

Wil amper dink julle het net verkeerd gelaai. As julle in die Alberton omgewing is met karavaan is jul welkom om by my te draai dan kan ek die karavaan en die kar se hak met jul deur gaan. En gesels oor die Moets en moenies voor en terwyl jy sleep

Net n paar minute is nodig.

Trek oor die vlaktes, trek oor die rand, maak los die briek en laat waai. Gee vet my ou lorrie en vat nou my wa, geluk lê net om die draai.
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16 Jan 2019 @ 07:15:23 am
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Ek het self al gesleep met n IX35 en n Sprite Super Sport. Daardie karavane sleep fantasties agterna. Paar duisend kilo's gedoen nog nooit n probleem gehad  Maat van my het ook Desember vir die eerste keer gesleep en ook met n Super Sport, baie happy.

Wil amper dink julle het net verkeerd gelaai. As julle in die Alberton omgewing is met karavaan is jul welkom om by my te draai dan kan ek die karavaan en die kar se hak met jul deur gaan. En gesels oor die Moets en moenies voor en terwyl jy sleep

Net n paar minute is nodig.

Hierdie offer is van onskatbare waarde en ek sal aanbeveel dat julle van dit gebruik maak.  Pak gou weer die karavaan soos julle gepak het en sleep hom Alberton toe. Dit gaan die vinnigste wees om julle spoedig uitgesorteer te kry.

As Alberton te vêr is, ek is in Centurion en kan sommer vir Danie ook hier op die Forum nader sleep as julle wil deur kom. Meer koppe by mekaar gaan gou help om julle veilig te kry op die pad.

 

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16 Jan 2019 @ 08:32:53 am
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Hierdie offer is van onskatbare waarde en ek sal aanbeveel dat julle van dit gebruik maak.  Pak gou weer die karavaan soos julle gepak het en sleep hom Alberton toe. Dit gaan die vinnigste wees om julle spoedig uitgesorteer te kry.

As Alberton te vêr is, ek is in Centurion en kan sommer vir Danie ook hier op die Forum nader sleep as julle wil deur kom. Meer koppe by mekaar gaan gou help om julle veilig te kry op die pad.

 

baie dankie

 

ek sal met my pa praat en vir hom se wat julle alles se en julle aanbod om ons te help. ek waardeer regtig almal se hulp hiermee. 

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16 Jan 2019 @ 09:26:25 am
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Mariaanne,  We also had a Supersport for about 30 years and I can confirm that is a steady caravan and easy to tow.  All the above advice is valid as far as I am concerned. 

Just something more: Often the excessive swaying is caused by the driver.  When a caravan does the first zig, it feels like a car starting to skid and the driver from experience tries to correct this by turning the other way. This causes more zigzagging and if you are unlucky, to the caravan tipping over.  I had this expereince on our very first outing while passing a bus.  I nearly lost the rig.  I then later on went to a quiet road and experimented by inducing a sway and trying to figure out how to stop it.  And I found the easiest, really the only way, is just to hold the steering still.  This immediately stops the swaying.  There are other theories like accelerating or braking which I think is just desktop theory and will not do anything about the swaying.  Obviously if you are in danger you would want to reduce speed, but braking in inself will not stop the swaying.

Don't worry too much about your first less than perfect experience.  Towing, like all new things, is a learning curve and therefore the more you drive, the better you will become.  You have started a wonderful new venture- enjoy it.

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16 Jan 2019 @ 10:53:43 am
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We used to tow with a CRV (although the diesel) without problems.(except a blown turbo)

Try filling the boot with camping gear.

I would not go lighter than 90Kg on the nose.

Tow vehicle 230-250Kpa on rear

caravan  300 to 350Kpa

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16 Jan 2019 @ 22:05:39 pm
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is your CRV awd or fwd?  i dont know hondas. if fwd don't make the boot heavy, it will lift the front wheels and you will have instability, trust me I have thousands of km's towing with a fwd.
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17 Jan 2019 @ 08:15:01 am
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Obviously there needs to be a limit to the loading of the rear of the car. If it hangs too low it will give issues with ANY car..

Just make sure you dont have too much weight at the back of the caravan...


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18 Jan 2019 @ 12:26:30 pm
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Ek het al gehoor dat 'n karevaan wat se remme nie reg gestel is nie, altwee wiele se remme moet presies op dieselfde tyd vat en weer los, ook kan veroorsaak dat hy swing.

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18 Jan 2019 @ 12:45:06 pm
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Ek het al gehoor dat 'n karevaan wat se remme nie reg gestel is nie, altwee wiele se remme moet presies op dieselfde tyd vat en weer los, ook kan veroorsaak dat hy swing.

Dit is waar Jaco. Maar dan moet daai verstelling baie uit wees of die eenkant moet rem en die anderkant niks weens 'n kabel fout of erg swak verstelling.

Dis een van die redes waarom dit goed sal wees as hulle by iemand 'n draai kan maak dan kyk mens vinnig na al die verskeie opsies van hulle die wa pak tot die remme en band druk.

 

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18 Jan 2019 @ 13:21:26 pm
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Jaco, Jou stelling is waar vir enige voertuig- die remme op dieselfde as moet gelyk trek en met vierwielvoertuie moet daar ook 'n balans tussen die twee asse wees.  Maar gelukkig is remstelsels so ontwerp dat dit wel alles die geval is mits daar nie groot fout is nie. Jy hoef nie op 'n remstelsel wat nie ernstige foute het, enige verstellings te doen om die remme gelyk te laat vat nie- die ontwerp van die stelsels sorg daarvoor. As daar egter bv remvloeistof of olie op een wiel se rem lek, sal hy gly en nie voldoende remkrag lewer nie.  Maar dis uitsonderinge en dit is nie met verstellings korrigeerbaar nie, so ook ander foute op die remstelsel- foute moet eenvoudig reggemaak word.  Karavane se remme werk mestal met kables en solank die kabels reg is, met ander woorde nie gebreek nie en al die skakels is heel, kan daar nie oneweredige remming wees nie.

Het is beter rijk te leven dan rijk te sterven
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18 Jan 2019 @ 14:49:51 pm
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Onthou net dat die remskoene verstelbaar is, nader of verder van die drom af, so as die een wiel sin bv nader aan die drom is as die ander een, gaan daai wiel eerste "vat" selfs al trek die kabel gelyk.

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18 Jan 2019 @ 20:28:56 pm
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Ek sou eerder noem om na die karavaan se as rubbers te kyk.

Heelmoontlik al gedaan en agv ń langerige karavaan met ń pale kas agter die as mag dit ń probleem skep.

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19 Jan 2019 @ 08:51:13 am
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Nee Jaco- dit werk nie so nie. Remming begin eers as die skoene hard teen die drom druk en dit gebeur net as kabels na beide wiele styf span. As jy self aan jou voertuie werk, sal jy dit verstaan.  Klim bietjie onder die karavaan in en kyk hoe dit kabels uitgelê is dan sal jy verstaan wat ek probeer verduidelik.  Die remme moet in elkgeval so gestel word dat hulle NET nie raak nie, so as die persoon wat aan die karavaan gewerk het, geweet het wat hy doen, sal jou scenario nie ontstaan nie. Meeste dromremme is ook so ontwerp dat dit self verstel sodat dit, solank die stelsel werk, nie nodig is om dit met die hand te verstel nie.

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22 Jan 2019 @ 09:13:45 am
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Ek werk al baie lank aan my eie voertuie.

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22 Jan 2019 @ 13:12:14 pm
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Onthou net dat die remskoene verstelbaar is, nader of verder van die drom af, so as die een wiel sin bv nader aan die drom is as die ander een, gaan daai wiel eerste "vat" selfs al trek die kabel gelyk.

Het dit ook al gesien dat die een wiel rem en die ander nie dieselfde rem nie dan trek wa skeef...


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24 Jan 2019 @ 15:19:31 pm
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Any feedback on what the problem was/may have been?  Would be helpful to know.

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24 Jan 2019 @ 16:37:34 pm
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Hi we haven't had a chance to do anything with the caravan yet as we are busy building a carport to store it in so as soon as that is done then we will try everyone's suggestions and see what works and how we can get it sorted. I will then post our findings here. Thank you again to everyone who has helped us here. We really appreciate it. I see now for a fact that what I've always been told is true. Campers are a completely different kind of people, my kind of people. I'm very glad that we have started this journey.

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25 Jan 2019 @ 06:55:31 am
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thanks

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25 Jan 2019 @ 09:21:16 am
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Het dit ook al gesien dat die een wiel rem en die ander nie dieselfde rem nie dan trek wa skeef...

My jonger broer het sy Volla of eerder Baja Bug se hand rem so gestel. Die huis se oprit het glade sement gehad.......... aanvanklike verstelling gedoen op agter rem dromme......... ry langs die huis af en trek handrem op................ so verstel hy tot die beide kante gelyk begin rem en die swart strepe ewelank is.

Pa het 'n fit gevang oor die strepe op sy sement as hy in die aand by die huis kom maar ja............... verstelling is suksesvol afgehandel. 

 

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25 Jan 2019 @ 10:00:23 am
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My jonger broer het sy Volla of eerder Baja Bug se hand rem so gestel. Die huis se oprit het glade sement gehad.......... aanvanklike verstelling gedoen op agter rem dromme......... ry langs die huis af en trek handrem op................ so verstel hy tot die beide kante gelyk begin rem en die swart strepe ewelank is.

Pa het 'n fit gevang oor die strepe op sy sement as hy in die aand by die huis kom maar ja............... verstelling is suksesvol afgehandel. 

 

Leon ek ken daai verstelling baie goed. Ek moet dit steeds doen op die 1400 bakkie en ek gebruik die oop stuk grond hier naby die veearts. Grondpad wys makliker watter kant meer sou rem.

 

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