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21 Oct 2017 @ 20:40:03 pm
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Are the caravans ever forced to go onto a weighbridge by traffic officers? What do they compare the GCM to,the manufacturer's plate or Natis system?
22 Oct 2017 @ 07:32:36 am
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Yes they are often forced onto the weighbridge, especially in holiday season & when they're short of their fines quota.
I believe they go according to the manufacturer's plates, but stand corrected as (touch wood) I have not been pulled off yet.
My van went through the re classifying process when it was upgraded with new axle etc, so it will fly through.
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22 Oct 2017 @ 11:25:30 am
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I've been fulltimer now since April 2016 and have met many fellow campers along the way, not heard of one yet that has been pulled over at a weighbridge.

Let the forum members that have been pulled over at a weighbridge tell us of their experience!

22 Oct 2017 @ 12:20:14 pm
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"often" forced to a weigh bridge is perhaps not quite true, rather would say "sometimes" or even "rarely" as Koos rightly states. :)
22 Oct 2017 @ 18:27:49 pm
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Fulltimer since 2002 and have never been pulled off. We have however met a couple who was pulled off, their license disk removed and told to report to the weighbridgh. Their van was slightly over the max, but was just warned and not fined.
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22 Oct 2017 @ 18:45:52 pm
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Thanks for all advice given by nature I like to be prepared 😀
23 Oct 2017 @ 07:36:18 am
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I seem to remember a discussion here after the last Christmas holiday season where there were quite a few reports of this pulling off behavior. Maybe it was on the 4X4 forum
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23 Oct 2017 @ 08:44:47 am
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Hi Malcolm. A friend of mine is one of the traffic officials that works at the two weigh bridges located between Middelburg and Witbank. He said that in principal they do not pull caravans off to be weighed but those are the ones that he usually works at. He cannot speak for other weighing stations. 

I do know that the weigh bridge on the N4 close to Brits when driving to Rustenburg do sometimes weigh caravans, as this is the weighing station that caused havoc under caravanners during easter weekend a year or two back.

My friend explained that the data used are basically the weight data suplied by the manufacturer of the tow vehicle, such as GCM, GVM and the weight on front and rear axles. And then the GVM of the Trailer/caravan.  This information is visible on the data plate located on each vehicle.

In short the official sub-tract the GVM from the GCM of the vehicle and that will tell him what weight your vehicle may tow. He then comparres the answer to the actual weight of your caravan on the weigh bridge.

If the weight of you caravan is above the answer Fine no 1.

If the weight of the caravan is above the weight limit of the axle of the caravan Fine no 2.

If the weight of the caravan exceeds the weight limit of the combined tyre weight spec Fine no 3.

If the weight of the tow vehicle exceeds the specified weight on the front and rear axles Fine no's 4 and 5.

If you have fitted nice 21" mags and low profile tyres to your Nissan Navara 4x2 and you exceed the weight limit of the tyres of the vehicle Fine no 6.

Now in most cases the fine is not the problem as it will only eat a big cut of your holiday budget, The actual problem lies with after you have been weighed and recieved the fine(s) you will be instructed to go and stop in the parking area and FIX THE WEIGHT MISTAKE.

Only after you have rectified the over weight problem will you be verified on the weigh bridge and allowed to drive further. (What do you do with the extra items causing the overload)

Best is make sure you are within weight limits of your combination before setting of on your holiday.  

Lastly, I only heard about caravans being pull of to be weighed. Never have spoken to some one my self, never has seen someone being pulled off for it.

 

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23 Oct 2017 @ 11:50:42 am
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Leon,
For your (and my vehicle of choice)to pass your test no 1
GCM = 5950kg
less
GVM = 3200 kg
equals 2750

Essentially the total weight of our caravan (loaded) should not exceed 2750

I wonder how this stats compares with other bakkie models
(Remember the GCM differs between 4x4 and 4x2's... the 4x2 Ford Rangers GCM is only 5000kg)
23 Oct 2017 @ 13:10:13 pm
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Do not forget about hitch weight. Every one will be checking all the other weights then they will start on that. Evidently the tow hitch and / or vehicle is limited to a certain hitch weight. This would depend on your vehicle and what spec tow hitch you have fitted. I loaded my setup, got an axle stand and lowered the front hitch until it was supported / jockey wheel off the ground and hand brake on. Then I put a strong plank on the bathroom scale and put that under the jockey wheel and jacked it with the jockey wheel until it took all the weight. Now I know what my hitch weight is!
23 Oct 2017 @ 13:14:55 pm
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Hi JohanJ,

While we as Afrikaans speaking members have to discuss this matter in the language of the Queen because some people "don't" speak Afrikaans, an answer to your question "I wonder how this stats compares with other bakkie models" is:

There is at least one 2 litre (1200cc) less than yours, that can legally tow 30kg less than yours, BUT, and this might be an important BUT, with the same amount of fuel, on a trip from Pretoria, that 2 litre will reach Capetown while you will run out of fuel in Laingsburg.

Makes one think hey.

23 Oct 2017 @ 14:23:06 pm
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Leon,
For your (and my vehicle of choice)to pass your test no 1
GCM = 5950kg
less
GVM = 3200 kg
equals 2750

Essentially the total weight of our caravan (loaded) should not exceed 2750

I wonder how this stats compares with other bakkie models
(Remember the GCM differs between 4x4 and 4x2's... the 4x2 Ford Rangers GCM is only 5000kg)

Johan your calculation is correct. According to the manufacturer specification your vehicle may tow 2750kg and the GVM of your caravan may not exceed this.

 

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23 Oct 2017 @ 14:29:11 pm
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Beslis Andre ... amper gooi terug in Kaapse Afrikaans maar hier is my beste PTA poging

My bekommernis is die wettigheid van sleep kombinasies
- die analise in my vorige "posting" mag reg wees maar ek is ook bekommer oor 'n ander aspek

In my blootstelling aan sleep is die volgende aan my geleer: "the caravan cannot be heavier than the tare/tara of the towing vehicle". Die Tare/tara van die Ranger is 2107kg (Toyota 2.8 2095kg en 3.0 Amarok 2053)

Dit beteken as my karavaan 1800kg weeg kan ek slegs 307kg ekstra laai (en dan moet ek nog die nog die air con, tente, groter yskas, kinder se fietse, spaarwiel ook in gedagte hou)

Oops ... dan is al weer in die moeilikheid en onwettig !!!
23 Oct 2017 @ 14:46:05 pm
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Johan your calculation is correct. According to the manufacturer specification your vehicle may tow 2750kg and the GVM of your caravan may not exceed this.

 

The "may not exceed this" is a discussion on its own.  WHY? ? ?

If the GVM of your caravan, as listed on the data plate, exceed the tow capability weight of your tow vehicle with lets say 150Kg, the traffic official CAN NOT charge you unless he has physical proof that it is so at that specific point in time.

Thus he has to physical weigh the combination as it is there infront of him.  

And if the combination is weighed and the caravan actual weight there and then is equal or less than the tow capability weight of your tow vehicle you are home free although the data plates tells another story.

 

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23 Oct 2017 @ 14:47:09 pm
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Hi JohanJ,

Dit KLINK mos sommer beter om so te lees. HeHe

Ek en Leon sit juis en grappies maak oor die "asie" wat ek uitgegooi het.

Hy gaan wanneer hy weer met Gawie praat net 'n laaste aspek vir ons bevestig, en dit is -- waar kom die weegbrug se inset data vandaan waarteen hulle jou voertuig en wa se gemete gewigte vergelyk. Wat ek daarmee bedoel -- kry hulle sentraal van êrens af die data of het Konstabel Abel dit een middag van een of anner lys in sy weegbrug se rekenaar ingevoer.

My hele gedagte is -- ek WIL NIE met die makker daar langs die pad in 'n argument betrokke raak nie want hy het op daardie tydstip die hef in die hand en kan jou 10 jaar se twak gee oppad na jou vakansie bestemming toe.

Ek wil verseker weet my kombinasie is korrek sodat ek op ander dinge kan konsentreer as sy wraakgedagtes teenoor 'n lid van die publiek.

Groetnis en lekker sleep

23 Oct 2017 @ 14:54:11 pm
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TEST TO EXPLAIN MY POINT ABOVE.

Senario facts:

Tow capability of a "Bakkie" is 950kg. (After GVM is subtracted from GCM)

Braked Trailer to be towed  has a GVM of 1400kg and Tara of 670kg.

Question

Are you allowed to tow the trailer with the "Bakkie" in this senario?

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23 Oct 2017 @ 15:10:52 pm
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TEST TO EXPLAIN MY POINT ABOVE.

Senario facts:

Tow capability of a "Bakkie" is 950kg. (After GVM is subtracted from GCM)

Braked Trailer to be towed  has a GVM of 1400kg and Tara of 670kg.

Question

Are you allowed to tow the trailer with the "Bakkie" in this senario?



Ek sou sê NEE

Die totale sleepgewig van die sleepwa mag nie meer as 950 kg wees nie

Die kombinasie druip die toets????
23 Oct 2017 @ 15:12:00 pm
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Sooo. Ek laai al daardie goed in my JEEP. sy TARRA is 2200 KG. Plus nou die gewig van die vrag. Ekke 120kg. Moeder 90 kg, tent en ander goete + - 200 kg. Diesel 80 kg.. Karavaan is tarra plus bier en vleis innie yskas en klere.
Nou oorskry ek nie die tarra versus gcm van wa nie ?????
Extra rem sisteem op die wa.???

Ek weet nou ook nie. Die hele ding stink. Klink eerder na n manier om die swak ekonomie op n verkeerde manier aan die gang te kry.
70er jare. Jurgens 650 gesleep met Fotd Fairmont... tarra 1600kg. Toe het die ouens so n extra rem sisteem ge-installeer met n selonoid op die wa se raam wat gekoppel was aan die remligte. Sodra jy rem, skop die selonoid n master-cylinder in werking met rempype na die wiele met slave-cylinders en walla rem die wa dat die rook draai. Maar dan was dit n geval dat die groot wa deur n SSS of Taunus getrek was. ???
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23 Oct 2017 @ 20:15:34 pm
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Ek verstaan nou nog nie hoe werk n verkeersbeampte die goed uit nie.........hier is baie lang besprekings deur baie slim manne en steeds is daar verskille. Hoe sal Jan Alleman ooit weet?
Ek ry maar en kyk maar wanneer die geel vrug in die waaier beland.
Kan ek n klip in die bos gooi........ek weet nie van enigiemand wat al moes weeg nie,maar my gevoel is dat as ek reg raai dan sal die ouens afgetrek word wat met n twyfelagtige kombinasie sleep. n Bantam sleep n Penta of so iets. As n dubbelkajuit n Sprint sleep of so iets.........hoekom sal hulle dit wil weeg? Help my met my dom redenasie.
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Wel as ek dinge so kyk is baid mense maar "onwettig"... maar ek self los maar al die "slim" besorekinfs deesdae en hou my jant maar skoon waar ek kan, dus eerder net stilbly en lees sover moontlik maar ek sou eerder gaan seker maak

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23 Oct 2017 @ 21:59:28 pm
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Piet. Stem saam met jou, soos ek gesê het, het ek ook nie van iemand gehoorwat afgetrek is nie.

Die geval by Buffelspoort naby Rustenburg laasjaar paasnaweek wat toe op die forum gemeld is, was blykbaar so 'n twyfelagtige geval.

24 Oct 2017 @ 06:31:42 am
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Ek sou sê NEE

Die totale sleepgewig van die sleepwa mag nie meer as 950 kg wees nie

Die kombinasie druip die toets????

Johan die groot ding hier is die feit dat die vekeersbeampte eers die kombinasie moet weeg en dan daar volgens moet handel.

Sou die sleepwa tenvolle gelaai word sodat die werklike gewig op daai stadium gelyk staande is aan die GVM van die Sleepwa is jy korrek.

Dan mag die "Bakkie" nie die Sleepwa sleep nie.

Onthou die Tara (Gewig as die sleepwa leeg is) van die Sleepwa is 670Kg dis onder die sleep vermoë van die bakkie van 950kg. 

Dus mag die "Bakkie" die sleepwa sleep as hy leeg is of selfs as hy met 'n gewig van maximum 280kg gelaai is. Meer as dit eers is die kombinasie dan onwettig.

Onthou dis nie wat op die data plaatjie staan wat bepaal of jy oorgewig is nie. Die data is slegs die riglyn waarteen geweeg word.

Dit is amper die selfde as my voertuig se speedo is gemerk om tot 200km/h te kan ry. As ek teen 'n bult af kom kan 'n verkeersbeampte my nie stop en sê ek is teen 200km/h teen die bult af nie want my voertuig het daai vermoë nie.  Enigste manier is hy moet my spoed fisies meet as ek die bult af kom.

Selfde geld vir die gewigte en sleep gewigte.

Ek hoop maar die voorbeeld help. Was maar net om die praktiese sy sigbaar te maak.

 

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24 Oct 2017 @ 06:34:42 am
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Met ander woorde baie belangrik:

Geen verkeersbeampte kan jou 'n boete gee deur slegs te kyk na dit wat op die data plaatjies staan nie. Hy MOET die kombinasie op 'n skaal sit en die oortreding bewys.

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Ek moet sê in my reise met die wa het ek maar min kere verby n verkeersman gekom wat my nie stop nie. In die meeste gevalle wou hulle my lisensie sien. Seker om te check of dit n EB is. En dan ligte toets. Lisensie skyfie kyk.
Eenkeer deur SAP gestop (begin van 2014) en al wat die ou gese het... kaptein kom kyk hoe lyk die karavaan binne, jy wou mos sien hoe lyk hy in vergelyking met exclusive. Agterna kom ons toe agter hulle is beide kampers met exclusives.
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Nou dat ek so besig is met my wa... ek maak n nuwe onderwerp oor portable weegbrug

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