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Suitable tow car for a Gypsey Classique

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10 Oct 2017 @ 22:59:29 pm
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Magazine advises a 2,8 diesel engine however I see there is a range of torque in this group. What is the minimum nm that I should be looking at.
11 Oct 2017 @ 01:43:27 am
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Welcome to the forum Malcolm. You have to look at the GVM (about 1550kg) of the caravan and start with a towing vehicle that has a tare more than the GVM of the caravan.

With the high level of torque in the modern diesels one need not frame the engine size as at least 2.8L.

Next you can look at the gear ratios of the vehicle. Some will be running at very low revs at towing speed and if auto box it will constantly shift down. Try to find a vehicle that will rev slightly above the max torque when the speed is 110. Again if auto my choice would be to at least have a sport ratio  that can be used for towing. Most vehicle nowadays.

Although some campers will say the more the better personally I would be happy with 350Nm plus as enough. The Audi Q5 is only 2L and has 350Nm and the weight is more than the Classique and should be a capable towing vehicle. The BMW X3 2.0D as well. Further you can't go wrong with a Ranger or Hilux or Fortuner.

I would just stay away from a vehicle with CVT gearbox for towing.

I am sure you will get some lively replies on this topic.

11 Oct 2017 @ 05:46:58 am
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Thanks, there is a trend of people supporting automatic , so am glad you pointed out the sports box and revs at 110kmh.
11 Oct 2017 @ 08:45:30 am
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Magazine advises a 2,8 diesel engine however I see there is a range of torque in this group. What is the minimum nm that I should be looking at.

You mean a Jurgens Classique? Don't think there is a Gypsey Classique?
11 Oct 2017 @ 09:45:06 am
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Thanks, there is a trend of people supporting automatic , so am glad you pointed out the sports box and revs at 110kmh.

There are times when it is uphill and you have to move the caravan in a tight spot. That is the time that clutches are burnt and the auto is preferred.

Some vehicles are geared for economy by working on low revs. They keep on hunting when you tow and one feels the gear changes all the time. The ideal would be to test drive the different vehicles with a caravan. This means one will have to shop for a 2nd hand model to get the feel before deciding.

Read    HERE   for a previous chat about tow cars and some campers experience although models of a few years ago.

 

11 Oct 2017 @ 10:30:56 am
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For towing - if hit has less than 250-300NM torque, you will be working very hard when towing. Can be done, but not a relaxed way to do things. 350NM Upwards and your caravan will simply be a big thing behind your vehicle for which you need to keep a lower speed for safety, but it it won't be holding you back...

I would recommend a Double cab (pick one, your choice).

The rear suspension on bakkies is a great contibuting factor to increased towing stability.

My DC is automatic, however I tow in manual (tiptronic mode). I believe my 2.2 would be more than enough to handle just about any caravan out there, but perhaps the larger models would provide just that little extra torque which would make towing the big vans a bit less of a hassle.

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Welcome to the forum Malcolm and hope you enjoy your future adventures.
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11 Oct 2017 @ 11:47:18 am
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Edge is spot on with his vehicle of choice :)

Just as Fransie is happy to tow most caravans with less than 300Nm I am also very happy towing 80% of the time in 5th gear and only 260Nm from a 2L engine. My caravan has been loaded up to 1400kg before the weight problem surfaced.

My towing is relaxed and I don't mind loosing speed on an uphill but don't have to change gears all the time. Engine has max torque even at 80 in 5th gear.

11 Oct 2017 @ 13:56:34 pm
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Welcome Malcolm. I am a big fan of tdi performance for towing. For comfort, reliability, towing ability, safety, (fair) economy and affordability I chose Pajero for the 3rd time in a row now. When looking at the market choose wisely as one can easily be tempted with an unfortunate outcome. My son and I have a workshop and it is a sad scenario to present an unfortunate owner with a serious repair bill.
11 Oct 2017 @ 14:09:36 pm
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Welcome Malcolm. I am a big fan of tdi performance for towing. For comfort, reliability, towing ability, safety, (fair) economy and affordability I chose Pajero for the 3rd time in a row now. When looking at the market choose wisely as one can easily be tempted with an unfortunate outcome. My son and I have a workshop and it is a sad scenario to present an unfortunate owner with a serious repair bill.

Peter can you perhaps send me an e-mail to woonwaled  by gmail then com

 

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If a safe towing speed of 100 to 110kmh is advised,what does one do with some of these big trucks that travel at high speed, how do you get past them? The go drive & camp guide says it is dangerous to overtake them on downhills.Is the wind generated from the truck an issue.
Thanks for the advice am a novice at this caravan towing.
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I have found that these trucks exceed my towing speed on a decline so I would overtake them on the incline where they tend to be slower. It might take time to get past them this way but the towing is part of my camping time - relaxed.

13 Oct 2017 @ 11:32:43 am
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This is a good example of the difference you tow vehicle will make. If your tow vehicle weight is only marginally greater than your caravan, overtaking a large truck which creates an excessive amount of turbulance. Even with the towing aids / devices this can be daunting. Obviously experience will also be of benefit.
Again, overtaking especially on an incline, can be just as daunting. While big performance vehicles are available, performance normally comes at a cost. I find turbocharged, intercooled diesels (tdi's), give a good balance between performance (towing) and economy. If you want economy back off on the gas and if you want to overtake you stomp on the gas, the turbo kicks in, extra fuel is delivered and you have all the performance on demand. It is a win win. There is just nothing like a tdi diesel for towing with bags of torque. It feels like a massive hand pushing in the small of your back. When choosing a tow vehicle keep in mind that the transmission, drive train, brakes, chassis, etc are all subjected to loads and stresses. For this reason most caravan owners choose a bakkie or an SUV.
13 Oct 2017 @ 11:34:22 am
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If a safe towing speed of 100 to 110kmh is advised,what does one do with some of these big trucks that travel at high speed, how do you get past them? The go drive & camp guide says it is dangerous to overtake them on downhills.Is the wind generated from the truck an issue.
Thanks for the advice am a novice at this caravan towing.

I'm also a novice at towing, so I try to make up with doing research, here is something I've noticed based on all the advice out there.

To get serious fishtailing happening you need two things, inherent instability of the towing combination and something that causes an initial push to get the fishtail going.

The no 1. reason why you get inherent instability is too high speed.
The no 1. reason why you get an event that causes the caravan to start swinging is big trucks pushing it to the side.

Basically exceeding your tow speed to pass a truck = a very bad idea, because going over the speed limit where you know your caravan is stable, combined with air from the big tuck pushing caravan to the side is a recipe for disaster. You should actually be going SLOWER than normal when you pass a truck, and slow down when you see a truck wants to pass you.

So I would say Danie is 100% correct. Wait for a hill and pass it there.
13 Oct 2017 @ 21:35:35 pm
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Thanks for the advice am sure with patience and careful judging the situation and lots of prayer I will master these new skills, can't be too hard 😎
13 Oct 2017 @ 21:44:07 pm
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When a truck overtakes the caravan do slow down when he is next to you so that he gets past quicker? Is the down or side draft from the truck able to push a heavy tow combination as much as a lighter one?
14 Oct 2017 @ 22:43:16 pm
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My suggestion w.r.t to slowing down has more to do with increasing the inherent stability of your towing combination when you know there is a destabilising force about to be applied.

I don't know enough about aerodynamics to know for sure, but a heavier caravan is also likely to be larger so the force applied to it will also be larger.
My feeling is that the amount the caravan will be pushed aside has more to do with how stable it is at the moment it is pushed to the side,than it's weight.
You also need to realise that even though a heavier caravan may be pushed a shorter distance, it may well carry more momentum, so it can be harder to bring under control.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that there are a lot of unknowns, but also some things we do know. One of those is; a caravan travelling slower is more stable. So if anything unexpected happens or if you are unsure what the effect of something will be, it is always better to be travelling slower.
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