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11 Jan 2019 @ 20:06:51 pm
Rooster
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Hi all,

I had a look at a Penta today, just above the outside door there is 2 cracks about 5-6cm long.

what can this be? and should I rather not buy this caravan?

 

thank you

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11 Jan 2019 @ 21:47:06 pm
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I also have a 2017 Penta and they come without cracks.

So, my advise will be do not buy unless you have spare cash to spend on repairs, expensive repairs.

A crack at the door or window corners (weak spots in the van structure) indicate that the chassis was overloaded by using the corner steadies to lift and level the van. The chassis then bends (be it temporarily) and the tension created thereby causes the outside sheeting to stretch and then eventually to crack.

The steadies are for exactly that. To steady, not to lift the van with.

I trust I have the theory right, but I have experience (2x) that a Penta comes without cracks.

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11 Jan 2019 @ 22:10:22 pm
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Dis al voorheen ook bespreek en basies neergekom oor steadies wat te hoog gelig was. Dis heel waarskynlik die probleem....maar hoekom gebeur dit meestal net met karavane waar die deur voor die as sit....tussen as en trekhaak. As dit die steadies was wat dit veroorsaak, moes mens seker heelwat karavane kry met dieselfde probleem waar deur agter die as sit....veral soos n karavaan soos die Splash wat baie lank is. Ek dink soms die neus is te swaar gepak en gee n erge impak op onderstel as jy met sleep kombinasie deur n erge dip ry. Of mense wat in karavaan klim terwyl hy gehaak is...daar is geen steady wat dan ondersteuning bied nie. 

Ek is geen boffin op die gebied nie....so my feite is maar plainweg hoe ek daaroor dink wat moontlik oorsaak mag wees...is heel moontlik verkeerd?

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12 Jan 2019 @ 07:00:53 am
W J
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Swakste plek op enige karavaan by die deur.

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12 Jan 2019 @ 09:07:16 am
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Hello Rooster,

It is a relatively small fix actually. I bought a Palma with the same problem and the dealer had it fixed quite easily. There was no repercussions I.E aftereffects sue to the repair.  

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12 Jan 2019 @ 13:58:49 pm
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I've got exactly the same cracks above the Surfer's door.

They've been there for about 2 years and have not got worse.

Maybe I'll have it repaired one day. I've rubbed silicone into the cracks and just left them.

Some say that it is due to my having the spare wheel mounted on the back thereby making the chassis bend.

I'm not sure exactly when it started, before or after mounting the spare.

 

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12 Jan 2019 @ 14:53:22 pm
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My ou Sprite Scout het niks makeer nie en toe ek nog dom en onosel was het ek steadies gebruik om wa waterpas te kry. Sovêr dat die deur somtyds nie maklik toegemaak het nie. Na een kamp toe die kraak gesien en toe geleer op die forum. Gebruik van toe af geel blokke  en deur van my Swing maak altyd maklik toe.

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12 Jan 2019 @ 15:01:21 pm
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I had a short crack below my previous Sprite Supersport's door.  I removed the aluminium door frame to see what the problem was and found it was only the outside aluminium cladding that was torn.  This was because the inner wooden frame consisted of straight sections while the door fram was rounded which meant that a small section of the outside cladding was nor supported.  Slight movement of the body probably caused this tear.  As the door is in front of the axle, probably the movement was more severe than if the door was behind the axle, a fact that Relaxed Camper pointed to I think correctly.  It all boils down to the fact that this is no big problem pointing to structural integrity going.  I also just sealed the tear with silicon to prevent water getting in and spoiling the inner wooden frame.  After years, the tear did not progress any further but stopped at the point where the outer cladding was supported by the inner wooden frame.

In Steamer's case the door is behind the axle but I expect him to find something similiar to mine of he would look deeper.

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12 Jan 2019 @ 21:52:26 pm
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It can be any, mostly a  pop up roof caravan that can get these cracks above the  door as our fellow members have mentioned.

It is caused by using the corner steadies wrongly. As stated by Fred it is usualy only the outside alumimium that is torn.

I have seen numerous popup caravans that was repaired by just installing a alumimium sheet same as that of the caravan side. Next time you visit a dealer look for this.

Hi all,

I had a look at a Penta today, just above the outside door there is 2 cracks about 5-6cm long.

what can this be? and should I rather not buy this caravan?

 

thank you

 

If I was you ask for an inspection of wood above the door frame by removing the aluminum strip.  If that wood is still fine repairs should be  minimum.

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13 Jan 2019 @ 06:39:11 am
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Will have a look one of thes days Fred.

The crack has also remained the same since I noticed it.

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13 Jan 2019 @ 13:58:42 pm
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Dat hulle nog nie n versterking of iets soort gelyk by die deur aan gebring het nie.

 

As jy wil he jou drome moet waar word, moet jy eers wakker word.

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5 days ago @ 06:20:54 am
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Dat hulle nog nie n versterking of iets soort gelyk by die deur aan gebring het nie.

 

Ek dink die versterking is daar JIN. Dis net 'n kwessie van as jy aanhou om die hoekstutte verkeerd te gebruik moet iets later gebeur.

Ek het byvoorbeeld my eerste Penta 3 jaar gebruik en hy was reeds 3 jaar oud toe ek hom gekoop het en dan my tweede Penta het na 11 jaar nie sulke krake gehad nie.  My broer het sy Penta 9 jaar gehad ook geen krake nie.

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5 days ago @ 14:09:06 pm
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Dis die rede hoekom my wa nie trappie deur in het nie

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5 days ago @ 19:41:29 pm
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Nico, if you look at the photo of your van at the end of your posts, you will see that that little section above the door HAS to be the weakest point on both sides of the caravan structure, therefore that is where any tearing of the very thin aluminium cladding will take place.

As I said, I'm going to leave mine for now and watch & see if it gets worse. Then maybe have it seen to.

I did take it to Kempton Caravans and he said exactly that and  it had nothing to do with the spare wheel on the back.

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5 days ago @ 20:26:08 pm
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Die afstand vanaf die punt van die hak ((bal) tog by die as is groot. Enige extra gewig in die nosecone en jy ry deur n slaggat, hoe geting ook al sal maak dat dat extra druk op die gedeelte bokant die deur, wat relatief klein is, onder druk kom en dit kan dan kraak. Die verkeerde gebruik van die steadys kom op dieselfde neer, veral as wiele effens in die lug hang.

Daar is herstel werkswinkels wat dit suksesvol kan herstel, maar a.g.v. die rede hierbo, en ons swak paaie,  glo ek nie iemand kan dit waarborg nie.

Het al gesien dat n dikker aluminium plaat bo en rondom die deur se bokant die probleem kan aanspreek. m.a.w. n versterking bokant/rondom die boonste deel van die deur.

Ek glo nie dis so n groot probleem nie. Sit die dikker plaat bokant die deur in en ry so.

 

Die Elegance wat ek gehad het, het ook n bubble daar gemaak, maar Loftus.c c  het dit suksesvol herstel.

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5 days ago @ 20:55:40 pm
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Sodra jy trappie deur insit sny jy die stukuur van die wa dat hy flex.

 

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4 days ago @ 11:17:03 am
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Sodra jy trappie deur insit sny jy die stukuur van die wa dat hy flex.

 

Maak sense. 

Dis beslis n groot faktor.

 

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4 days ago @ 11:33:44 am
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If there is no structural damage a piece of aluminum checkerd plate, the thin one, will fit neatly in above and around the corners of the door.

Just measure it nicely cut it out then stick it to the van with Sikaflex over the cracks. This way the ingress of water can be prevented and it will look good.

 

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4 days ago @ 11:53:46 am
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Thanks Leon! Now you've given me even more work to do! Eisch.

Just joking, I do have some off cut checker plate and will take my time to do as you suggest.

Maybe even some rivets with the Sikaflex.

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4 days ago @ 12:05:07 pm
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Thanks Leon! Now you've given me even more work to do! Eisch.

Just joking, I do have some off cut checker plate and will take my time to do as you suggest.

Maybe even some rivets with the Sikaflex.

Sorry for the job implication........ did not mean to.

With regards to the rivets ....................... I will skip that, as the cracks are currently not getting bigger it will have no value just more holes in your Van and the plate without the rivets will look great.

Just a thought................................. If you want you can now install a small "soft"door light directly above the door on the outside pointing downwards.

 

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4 days ago @ 13:32:37 pm
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Ek het met twee waens, 'n Caravette 4 asook met Jurgens Esprit - NIE low profile - soortgelyke  krakies gekry. Ek het sommer net Pratley Quickset WIT gom aangemaak, en die krakies goed opgevul, vinger bietjie spoeg gesmeeer, en baie glad afgewerk. Dit ws albei van die  hobbeltipe aluminium afwerkings gewees.

Albei waens was BAIE jare later verkoop, en die krake was eintlik nooit meer sigbaar gewees nie. Ek het albei kopers ingelig wat ek gedoen het, en aanbeveel dat INDIEN dit weer sou gebeur, om selfde te doen.

Met ALBEI woonwaens het ek gevind dat as jy die linkerkantse steady effe hoog lig, die deur nie lekker toemaak nie (en dan vandaar die krake  - oor onoordeelkundige handelinge duer vorige eienaars ???). Ek het baie jare terug vir myself twee hout opry-blokke gemaak, en vir ongeveer 25 jaar gebruik. Effe swaarder as die nuwerwetse plastiek goed (dit was NIE daardie jare beskikbaar nie). 

Die opryblokke was van 150mm x 30mm dennehout kappe, en drie lengtes, langse 900mm, dan 600mm en kortste ongeveer 300mm, almal goed aanmekaar gelym en geskroef, met 'n stop aan die hoë kant wat so 50mm uitgesteek het aan bokant. 

Wanneer wa gestaan het, was gewone geel plastiek wheel chock agter wiel ingesit om terugrol te verhoed. Dieselfde proses het ek met my motorwoonwa ook gedoen.

Groete.

Frans

 

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4 days ago @ 15:35:58 pm
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Thanks Leon! Now you've given me even more work to do! Eisch.

Just joking, I do have some off cut checker plate and will take my time to do as you suggest.

Maybe even some rivets with the Sikaflex.

Hi Steamer
I have the same problem on my Sprite Splash - 10cm crack above the door which grew to 11cm on trip of 600ks. I am going to follow the same procedure as used on aircraft cracks - drill a 2mm hole at the end of the crack ( this will prevent the crack from continuing ) then fit and rivet an aluminium panel over the area and seal with Sikaflex.
Time will tell if it works.

Been there--done it. ( Talking about the bathroom )
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